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XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 - OCT 31, 12

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
Soul-eh-chi-toes revised media appearances: http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Raf ... /405501054

Sep 20
Raffaele Sollecito
CBS TELEVISION DISTRIBUTION
1697 Broadway, Suite 507
new york, NY 7:30PM

Sep 25
Raffaele Sollecito
UNIVERSITY BOOKSTORE
4326 University Way NE, Kane Hall on UW Campus
Seattle, WA 7:00PM



Thank you for this, Ergon. And for your posting above re: Embassy correspondence. Your tireless efforts are always appreciated, and enlightening. th-)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
Soul-eh-chi-toes revised media appearances: http://authors.simonandschuster.com/Raf ... /405501054

Sep 25
Raffaele Sollecito
UNIVERSITY BOOKSTORE
4326 University Way NE, Kane Hall on UW Campus
Seattle, WA 7:00PM


Thanks Ergon and Napia5. This was recently posted on the University Bookstore website:

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UNIVERSITY BOOKSTORE, events Sep 25, 2012

FBN posted on .org this link to the KING-5 TV website where you can read Dennis Bounds' short bio:

http://www.king5.com/on-tv/bios/66185592.html


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Sound of an old horse, its hooves not actually flamenco dancing along the street.

Knock knock

Seattle residence: Who's there?

Me, I couldn't get in

The door swings open, it's Steve-O who moved to Seattle to be close to the bankroll action.

Steve-O: You? Huh? Thought you went to Canada

Frank: I not get in, they are just another for my list of people I will try to destroy on my bloga, cazzo il mio culu e rotto

Steve-O: What?

Frank: my ass it's sore, I had no idea it was the distance of Sicily to Poland

Steve-O; Well stop complaining, haven't earned a dime yet

Frank: I'm never so insulted in the life, I was expecting 4 and twenty mounties on horseback to welcome me why am I always so bitter and what is this chip I'm carrying around?
il mio culo è stato doloroso

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Nell wrote:

I am impressed in what spectacular fashion Raffaele Sollecito gets rid of his own alibi and pulls the rug away under both of their feet!


It is quite impressive. I wonder how Mandy/her ghost will answer this in her upcoming book. Hopefully not with the same old 'maybe Raffaele touched my hand with the knife handle while I was sleeping in his bed'-story again. That would be so boring.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Frank pushes his cowboy hat he was given as welcoming present to America, off his head backwards, dangling on its cord. F--- this! He says in Italian.

Michelle who has an eye on him much to the chagrin of her tub-pot husband , says, Hey Frank, I fished your mushrooms outta the trash, I am gonna bake you a pizza.

Frank: mmn, yes, okay, why me?

Back in the kitchen, Michelle tears the pizza bottom out of its cardboard box, pulls back the lid of a tin of diced tomatoes, sticks the oven on very hot, and finally, 2 minutes from the end, adds Frank's truffles, that she'd fished back out of the trash a week later.

Frank: O quanto buono

Next morning at 4am, Frank is rushing back n forth to the john till 10am when he finally falls asleep again after 400 times on the pot

Michelle: Morning Frank, I heard you go to the toilet

Frank: ? Cazzo, what you cooka, I am 5 thousand time to toilet!?!?

Michelle: Maybe it something you ate? (she started talking pidgin English - with Italian accent - as a term of endearment)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Zorba, Is this your idea of a screenplay for a spaghetti Western?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Yes, exactly, ha ha!

it is Napia and my way of accentuating the fact and keeping it topical too, that Frank was refused entry into Canada.

Small blessings mean a lot when these people have managed - for the time being - to get away with murder, and if we are to believe it, have done that with the aid of the American institutions.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:40 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Could it really be a possibility, that, it was Knox who initially got up to no good, maybe with Guede, but ran crying back to Sollecito, and he thought he'd work it all out?

But, even if really into her, would he have been as nuts to get involved - by cleaning up and setting a false track - in a murder, afterwards, like, as in: when he did not commit that murder???

It is a far stretch, but seeing the way he behaves, I wouldn't put it past him.

Or is the truth of his latest revelations, or latest change in his story, all part of his ploy to try to take a step before Knox, in order to distance himself from her, this as part of advice & strategy, as conducted by his lawyers?

If Knox had really left him, at home, or wherever, while she was off with Guede, and let's face it, Sollecito had all of those tales of being online, and as shown, he was often online, yes, hardly amazing when he works with computers, and that for the period when the murder took place, and when he was supposedly at home on the computer, the one he used that did not get short circuited, there was no trace of any movement online or on the computer, except for the amazingly weird point in time, namely at 5 in the morning. I doubt that 5 was a point in time when they got up after sleeping, after the murder, with the location of the murder, in a terrible state with all kinds of possible tracks leading right to you, how would you ever be able to get to sleep, you'd need a dozen horse tranquillizers, unless you were completely nuts and had no worries or did not care.

What his lawyers may be saying to him is that it cannot be proved that he was at the crime scene or that he took part, and maybe, they are thinking ahead, for if the worst comes to the worst, he might then have a window of opportunity in which to change his story to, I helped her, she did it, I helped clean up, but I did not commit murder.

Whatever is going on, it sure does look odd, him all over the place in America, I mean, what is he trying to prove?

Would he really go to such an event as the Burning Man simply for the fun part when he still has the case to answer for?

Maybe his purpose is to show that he could be at such a thing but just be this young person having fun, a harmless person, and he did make a point of pointing out that he was having all this fun without EVEN needing ACID, I mean, what kind of weird statement is that?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ava wrote:
Nell wrote:

I am impressed in what spectacular fashion Raffaele Sollecito gets rid of his own alibi and pulls the rug away under both of their feet!


It is quite impressive. I wonder how Mandy/her ghost will answer this in her upcoming book. Hopefully not with the same old 'maybe Raffaele touched my hand with the knife handle while I was sleeping in his bed'-story again. That would be so boring.



Yes, as Knox's bloodhounds will be out a snuffling.

After all, wasn't it Madam Knox who so kindly (towards him-NOT thus) revealed that well yeah, I do know he did acid and bla bla bla.

So in their moments of initial fear for what was going to happen to them and which of them might end up paying, they carefully, well, as carefully as they could under the circumstances, tried to kind of have sideways digs, perhaps to warn one another, that if I go, you go too.

Anyhow, it's clear from all of the testimony and evidence, that they said things in such and such a way as to make the listeners (police first of all) believe that they do not know and are trying to help by thinking stuff up. Offering ''sort of scenarios'' that were never the real deal.

This notwithstanding, what of all they said, is the heaviest, against one another?

I think Sollecito went pretty far, very quickly, by distancing himself, when he started saying he did not know for sure this and did not know sure that, and could not say for certain whether he was at home with him. And also that he had lied. If he had been cross-examined how would any set of lay judges ever have been able to deny the significance of him saying such things and its meaning?

The fact that he was so uncertain but later was presented in court second-handedly, as though he did know (but he didn't testify so this could not be opened up in court, and they knew it couldn't). If he was and is so sure he is innocent, why wouldn't he have stood up in court by offering to be cross-examined?

The reason is, he could never have answered the questions, directly connected to his very own words and statements, that made no sense at all, and made no sense as to time-lines and whatever else.

Look at me having my shoes polished in the Big Apple, enjoying life. Someone is funding it, and I hardly think dad went off to his cash machine for his dear son, again, seeing as the guy has no job has never worked either, then he must be living it up with the proceeds, had in advance, from his science fiction book.

Is Knox going to start saying, she had her doubts about him? I don't think so, and it seems then to point towards him holding something on her, I mean, if you look at her scanning-like eyeballs in court, looking as though she thought nobody could see like secretly and sideways, deeply too, trying to find signs of what he was about to do or say. And then, in the or within the boundaries of the courtroom, they developed a new position, one of no speaking, touching, but only with signs and faces and eyes, but where it appears, with time, they became sure of one another, knew that neither was going to be admitting guilt and knew that neither of them could accuse the other, they also realised, in time, that Guede was also stuck, and anything they did or said anyhow in relation to Guede (which was'nt a whole lot) was harmless to him, and tha'ts why they said it, or reacted, knowing it could not affect him, as they did not want him changing his mind.

So each so-called action, was marked by a total lack of conviction, just like Sollecito as a free man, saying stuff that rings no important bells, sparks no sparks, lights no fires, he is faking it, and his entire American tour is only that a tour for show. Meanwhile, he is trying out the territory, where he may try to run to, if things look bad for him, because he knows, certainly after having his freedom back, that he in no way can stay in jail for 20 odd years, and I think he'll do anything to avoid it.

If he is forced back in, I think he has already worked out his strategy, to try to blow the case apart again, by revealing yet another set of untrue truths, like she did it I helped her, I felt sorry or her, she told me this, he told me that, she told me Guede, bla bla bla, I did not know, but it was all her fault.


Meanwhile, the Sollecito's haven't exactly been invited to 4 of July or Sunday roast dinner in Seattle.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Frank Fartszo meets Ralph Sollecito in America

Frank: Howdie partner, what beings you to these here parts?

Sollecito: Why, ain't you the guy that helped me out back in the Grand Canyons of Perugia?

Frank: Sure as hell did, saved ya a pretty penny, that's fo' sure, now, watchya gonna do for me (this is all in Italian)

Sollecito: Well, I ain't a rich man, I sold 2 books, one to dad and one to sis, but, well, I'm on my way to Hollywood

Frank: Now ain't that a coincidence, so am I, I'm gonna be making a film about you, that's why I'm trying to get someone who is nutty enough, to believe I'm one of those Italian directors, yes okay, one nobody ever heard of, but just you wait, many a sausage salesman made the crossing to America and made it big, just look at the mafia!

Sollecito: I too wish to star in una filma, with cowboys and Indians, I will sell guns to the Indians and so on, I've seen it so many times, I also wish to make a film all about me, and my own sorry ass, it will tell the world about the importance of diet when up on murder charges, what's important when there's someone who had her throat cut is what I want to eat.

Frank: Well, let's ride off into the sunset (cameras!!!!), we should be in Ohio by nightfall in 5 months time, what do you call your horse, it looks kind of lame, if ya don't mind me saying so?

Sollecito': It's Foxy Knoxy

Frank: Foxy Knoxy? What in hell is a name like that good for?

Sollecito: Publicity!

When... when Sollecito rode into town at dusk on his Foxy Knoxy, saloon doors swung back n forth, a chicken cock-a-doodle-doed and there wasn't a soul in sight, it was a ghost town

Sollecito: that pretty much sums up my personality...
hers too, empty

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Speaking of Knox, what is the source of someone's comment that she wrote about being smitten with a 'handsome' young black man before meeting up with Raffaele? Obviously they knew each other to arrive at the flat at the same time, and Raff's new book clearly alludes to the company she kept. As Kermit's excellent Powerpoint on True Justice shows, it looks like he was about to make a deal with PM Mignini before Guede was identified, and then, clammed up.

Still time for him to come clean, if he goes back to trial.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
Speaking of Knox, what is the source of someone's comment that she wrote about being smitten with a 'handsome' young black man before meeting up with Raffaele? Obviously they knew each other to arrive at the flat at the same time, and Raff's new book clearly alludes to the company she kept. As Kermit's excellent Powerpoint on True Justice shows, it looks like he was about to make a deal with PM Mignini before Guede was identified, and then, clammed up.

Still time for him to come clean, if he goes back to trial.


Did you buy his book Ergon?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

No I didn't, just reading from the reviews, Zorba. I will NOT be buying it either.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I suspected as much; I think if his book were needed, then it ought to the one one copy for a million people, and picked up wearing gloves with a long pair of tongs, like they used in hand washing years ago. After all, anything from either of those two need to be handled as though it is still an exhibit in the murder case, personally speaking, it would give me great pleasure to burn any book from these people, I think that is all anything from them is worth.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

zorba wrote:
I suspected as much; I think if his book were needed, then it ought to the one one copy for a million people, and picked up wearing gloves with a long pair of tongs, like they used in hand washing years ago. Ater all, anything from wither of those two need to be handled as though it is still an exhibit in the murder case, personally speaking, it would give me great pleasure to burn any book from these people, I think that is all anything from them is worth.


Be patient, Zorba. "Their Own Words" have never been helpful to them.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

zorba wrote:
Ava wrote:
Nell wrote:

I am impressed in what spectacular fashion Raffaele Sollecito gets rid of his own alibi and pulls the rug away under both of their feet!


It is quite impressive. I wonder how Mandy/her ghost will answer this in her upcoming book. Hopefully not with the same old 'maybe Raffaele touched my hand with the knife handle while I was sleeping in his bed'-story again. That would be so boring.



Yes, as Knox's bloodhounds will be out a snuffling.

After all, wasn't it Madam Knox who so kindly (towards him-NOT thus) revealed that well yeah, I do know he did acid and bla bla bla.

So in their moments of initial fear for what was going to happen to them and which of them might end up paying, they carefully, well, as carefully as they could under the circumstances, tried to kind of have sideways digs, perhaps to warn one another, that if I go, you go too.

Anyhow, it's clear from all of the testimony and evidence, that they said things in such and such a way as to make the listeners (police first of all) believe that they do not know and are trying to help by thinking stuff up. Offering ''sort of scenarios'' that were never the real deal.

This notwithstanding, what of all they said, is the heaviest, against one another?

I think Sollecito went pretty far, very quickly, by distancing himself, when he started saying he did not know for sure this and did not know sure that, and could not say for certain whether he was at home with him. And also that he had lied. If he had been cross-examined how would any set of lay judges ever have been able to deny the significance of him saying such things and its meaning?

The fact that he was so uncertain but later was presented in court second-handedly, as though he did know (but he didn't testify so this could not be opened up in court, and they knew it couldn't). If he was and is so sure he is innocent, why wouldn't he have stood up in court by offering to be cross-examined?

The reason is, he could never have answered the questions, directly connected to his very own words and statements, that made no sense at all, and made no sense as to time-lines and whatever else.

Look at me having my shoes polished in the Big Apple, enjoying life. Someone is funding it, and I hardly think dad went off to his cash machine for his dear son, again, seeing as the guy has no job has never worked either, then he must be living it up with the proceeds, had in advance, from his science fiction book.

Is Knox going to start saying, she had her doubts about him? I don't think so, and it seems then to point towards him holding something on her, I mean, if you look at her scanning-like eyeballs in court, looking as though she thought nobody could see like secretly and sideways, deeply too, trying to find signs of what he was about to do or say. And then, in the or within the boundaries of the courtroom, they developed a new position, one of no speaking, touching, but only with signs and faces and eyes, but where it appears, with time, they became sure of one another, knew that neither was going to be admitting guilt and knew that neither of them could accuse the other, they also realised, in time, that Guede was also stuck, and anything they did or said anyhow in relation to Guede (which was'nt a whole lot) was harmless to him, and tha'ts why they said it, or reacted, knowing it could not affect him, as they did not want him changing his mind.

So each so-called action, was marked by a total lack of conviction, just like Sollecito as a free man, saying stuff that rings no important bells, sparks no sparks, lights no fires, he is faking it, and his entire American tour is only that a tour for show. Meanwhile, he is trying out the territory, where he may try to run to, if things look bad for him, because he knows, certainly after having his freedom back, that he in no way can stay in jail for 20 odd years, and I think he'll do anything to avoid it.

If he is forced back in, I think he has already worked out his strategy, to try to blow the case apart again, by revealing yet another set of untrue truths, like she did it I helped her, I felt sorry or her, she told me this, he told me that, she told me Guede, bla bla bla, I did not know, but it was all her fault.


Meanwhile, the Sollecito's haven't exactly been invited to 4 of July or Sunday roast dinner in Seattle.


Hi Zorba. Yes, it's weird, even more so after what Ms Bongiorno has done for Amanda in the appeal trial.
Maybe Raffaele is indeed a little angry and tired of being AK's shadow, who knows.
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James Terrano: Dating Amanda Knox!
September 17th, 2012 3:46 PM by Free Britney

Amanda Knox is going strong with her boyfriend, James Terrano.

As her ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito's book detailing their romance and jail time hits stores, Amanda and James have been spotted in their native Seattle, going for walks, working on dance moves and having drinks together.

Here's a photo of the couple ...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/ ... anda-knox/


(I'm not sure if this is a recent picture, he's still wearing his orange pants.)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Sorry, another gossip link if anyone's interested. Otherwise just skip it, please.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... ano-photos
Posted on Sep 17, 2012 @ 06:00AM
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Hi Eva, Napia, and friends.

Hey, anyone know a free programme that converts scanned text to editable, workable text, I've been at it for hours, they send m stuff like this but to keep buying all of the tools, I mean, you spend what you earn on this stuff s it is so expensive, anyone ever look at adobes full versions, they are talking a few thousands dollars, I mean, I feel those things are so overpriced, just like the Windows versions that they keep putting in a different jacket and that makes all of your other stuff incompatible, like printers, etc, what a money making setup they have in computer-land, I mean, they do it that way to support one another, you have to keep forking out.

I thought I'd try to pay, I thought it'd be about 100 but, they are talking hundreds, all as I want is to be able to read the god darned text, and be able to translate it, by typing, why so you need to spend hundreds just to do that.


I'd better get to sleep as have got nothing one and it has to be back by 5 tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ava wrote:
Sorry, another gossip link if anyone's interested. Otherwise just skip it, please.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... ano-photos
Posted on Sep 17, 2012 @ 06:00AM




I'm Not just saying this, but her guy there, he doesn't half look like a swarthy git, I mean, he looks like he sleeps in that jacket, and seems to fit the mould as he doesn't look quite right in his own RIGHT

What came to mind was - seeing her face, because I see the things she hides in that face of hers, is - Meredith, and if she could only speak, what she'd reveal, and say about those two.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ava wrote:
James Terrano: Dating Amanda Knox!
September 17th, 2012 3:46 PM by Free Britney

Amanda Knox is going strong with her boyfriend, James Terrano.

As her ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito's book detailing their romance and jail time hits stores, Amanda and James have been spotted in their native Seattle, going for walks, working on dance moves and having drinks together.

Here's a photo of the couple ...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/ ... anda-knox/


(I'm not sure if this is a recent picture, he's still wearing his orange pants.)



I saw another photo on .org that shows James Terrano dancing with Amanda Knox in socks and underwear. You have to see it to believe it. I wonder who released this photo for publishing? It must have been someone they knew as they are well aware that a photo is taken. No doubt it was released with their consent.

The cameras in the courtroom often managed to picture a flattering image of Amanda Knox, but the reality is different. Ugh.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Thoughtful has purchased the rights on an high definition photo from Meredith Kercher. I followed her posts about how she got the high resolution version for publishing. Quite interesting to read (Click here to read her posts). The Daily Mail, who received the photo from Meredith's family for free, offered her the rights for £250. I find that questionable, but I am not familiar with publishing laws.

Please enjoy the already known photo of beautiful Meredith Kercher, who was murdered on November 1st, 2007 in Perugia. For the high resolution version, please click here.


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Hey, anyone know a free programme that converts scanned text to editable, workable text, I've been at it for hours, they send m stuff like this but to keep buying all of the tools, I mean, you spend what you earn on this stuff s it is so expensive, anyone ever look at adobes full versions, they are talking a few thousands dollars, I mean, I feel those things are so overpriced, just like the Windows versions that they keep putting in a different jacket and that makes all of your other stuff incompatible, like printers, etc, what a money making setup they have in computer-land, I mean, they do it that way to support one another, you have to keep forking out.

I thought I'd try to pay, I thought it'd be about 100 but, they are talking hundreds, all as I want is to be able to read the god darned text, and be able to translate it, by typing, why so you need to spend hundreds just to do that.

I'd better get to sleep as have got nothing one and it has to be back by 5 tomorrow.

See if you can scan into .pdf otherwise it is a pain. Pdf conversion works reasonably well. You have some free websites where it can be done online. http://www.scannedpdftoword.com/

You could try something like http://www.free-ocr.com/ for .jpg, but it didn't really work for me.
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Hi Eva, Napia, and friends.

Hey, anyone know a free programme that converts scanned text to editable, workable text, I've been at it for hours, they send m stuff like this but to keep buying all of the tools, I mean, you spend what you earn on this stuff s it is so expensive, anyone ever look at adobes full versions, they are talking a few thousands dollars, I mean, I feel those things are so overpriced, just like the Windows versions that they keep putting in a different jacket and that makes all of your other stuff incompatible, like printers, etc, what a money making setup they have in computer-land, I mean, they do it that way to support one another, you have to keep forking out.

I thought I'd try to pay, I thought it'd be about 100 but, they are talking hundreds, all as I want is to be able to read the god darned text, and be able to translate it, by typing, why so you need to spend hundreds just to do that.

I'd better get to sleep as have got nothing one and it has to be back by 5 tomorrow.

See if you can scan into .pdf otherwise it is a pain. Pdf conversion works reasonably well. You have some free websites where it can be done online. http://www.scannedpdftoword.com/

You could try something like http://www.free-ocr.com/ for .jpg, but it didn't really work for me.



Hi Max, Thanks for taking thr time to try to help, I've now typed it all, which is a job initself, thankfully the doc turned out to be shorter tan what theyy told me.

I was up till late trying out all of those OCR and conversion programmes, suppedly free, but as it always goes, once downloaded, lets you start converting only to tell you at the end that you can only see a bit or tht it will be watermarked and would you like to buy, bla bla bla.


I need to look at it when I have the time to find the right tufff withoyt downloading all of those potentially harmful programmes.
After last night looks like buying is about the only option but not from the un-upfront sites, I mean it didn't even do what they kept saying it would either, the text remained a scan.

So up very early and now having 15 minutes to rest my aching arm (typing) and for coffee, then can get down to it.

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Interesting article by Barbie.
Amanda Knox’s Ex Raffaele Sollecito Tells All in ‘Honor Bound’ Memoir

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He writes openly about the night of the murder, but he does not entirely clear up doubt that lingers among some who still believe he and Knox were involved in the crime. He says he regretted smoking marijuana on the day of the murder, and he wonders openly about the effects of mixing drugs and alcohol together, though does not admit whether he has ever done it. He writes a curious passage about girls he knew during his Erasmus semester in Berlin who mixed drugs and heavy alcohol one night when he was partying with them. “These weren’t the girls I knew—warm, charming, funny, like sisters to each other, and to me. It was as if robots had overtaken their bodies and were now trying to overtake mine. The next day, I asked the girls what had got into them, and they couldn’t say. They remembered nothing,” he wrote. “I have no idea what was in that cocktail, but the episode taught me how abruptly drinks or drugs can change our perceptions and our personalities. Or rather, it should have taught me.

'Not entirely clear up' is an understatement. Seems like he is not even really trying to hide what happened.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... ano-photos
Posted on Sep 17, 2012 @ 06:00AM




I'm Not just saying this, but her guy there, he doesn't half look like a swarthy git, I mean, he looks like he sleeps in that jacket, and seems to fit the mould as he doesn't look quite right in his own RIGHT

What came to mind was - seeing her face, because I see the things she hides in that face of hers, is - Meredith, and if she could only speak, what she'd reveal, and say about those two.


Actually, I almost feel sorry for him in that dancing picture, he doesn't really seem to know who he's dealing with.
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I'll see Raff's Katie interview later today, but have heard various reports about the book. seems to me Raff is not absolutely convinced Amanda did not have anything to do with the crime. I'm not sure he believes Amanda was with him at the apartment the whole night.

I've made no secret that I believe Raff was not involved until the clean up. I also believe Amanda left Raff's apartment to go find a party. When that evening began, Raff was mentally prepared for a quiet evening alone. Amanda was mentally prepared for a party. Then, she got the call from Patrick canceling the 'party'. After the acrobatic sex, Raff was exhausted, Amanda left looking for party supplies.

Amanda was present when the torturous murder was committed. Of that I have absolutely no doubt. She said so more than once; even in writing. Then, there's that completely ridiculous e-mail she wrote.

Nonetheless, if narcissistic drug addled Amanda had gotten help, Meredith could still be alive.
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max wrote:
Interesting article by Barbie.
Amanda Knox’s Ex Raffaele Sollecito Tells All in ‘Honor Bound’ Memoir

Quote:
He writes openly about the night of the murder, but he does not entirely clear up doubt that lingers among some who still believe he and Knox were involved in the crime. He says he regretted smoking marijuana on the day of the murder, and he wonders openly about the effects of mixing drugs and alcohol together, though does not admit whether he has ever done it. He writes a curious passage about girls he knew during his Erasmus semester in Berlin who mixed drugs and heavy alcohol one night when he was partying with them. “These weren’t the girls I knew—warm, charming, funny, like sisters to each other, and to me. It was as if robots had overtaken their bodies and were now trying to overtake mine. The next day, I asked the girls what had got into them, and they couldn’t say. They remembered nothing,” he wrote. “I have no idea what was in that cocktail, but the episode taught me how abruptly drinks or drugs can change our perceptions and our personalities. Or rather, it should have taught me.

'Not entirely clear up' is an understatement. Seems like he is not even really trying to hide what happened.


Raffaele spent his Erasmus semester in Munich, not Berlin.
Barbie writes that "he is candid and believable". I am not so sure about that. I do believe that he attempts to free himself from AK and maybe his father's influence too. But to be candid and believable can also be a strategy, and he doesn't seem to get any nearer to the truth than he did before. What he does (what his ghostwriter did) is trying to appear likeable, basically.
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I'll see Raff's Katie interview later today, but have heard various reports about the book. seems to me Raff is not absolutely convinced Amanda did not have anything to do with the crime. I'm not sure he believes Amanda was with him at the apartment the whole night.

I've made no secret that I believe Raff was not involved until the clean up. I also believe Amanda left Raff's apartment to go find a party. When that evening began, Raff was mentally prepared for a quiet evening alone. Amanda was mentally prepared for a party. Then, she got the call from Patrick canceling the 'party'. After the acrobatic sex, Raff was exhausted, Amanda left looking for party supplies.

Amanda was present when the torturous murder was committed. Of that I have absolutely no doubt. She said so more than once; even in writing. Then, there's that completely ridiculous e-mail she wrote.

Nonetheless, if narcissistic drug addled Amanda had gotten help, Meredith could still be alive.


Curatolo saw them together shortly after 9 and again after 11. I think Raf is preparing a defense in case he has to throw Knox under the bus at the next trial. Which would be his third time, at the questura, his book, and then after the SC rules :)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Emerald wrote:
I'll see Raff's Katie interview later today, but have heard various reports about the book. seems to me Raff is not absolutely convinced Amanda did not have anything to do with the crime. I'm not sure he believes Amanda was with him at the apartment the whole night.

I've made no secret that I believe Raff was not involved until the clean up. I also believe Amanda left Raff's apartment to go find a party. When that evening began, Raff was mentally prepared for a quiet evening alone. Amanda was mentally prepared for a party. Then, she got the call from Patrick canceling the 'party'. After the acrobatic sex, Raff was exhausted, Amanda left looking for party supplies.

Amanda was present when the torturous murder was committed. Of that I have absolutely no doubt. She said so more than once; even in writing. Then, there's that completely ridiculous e-mail she wrote.

Nonetheless, if narcissistic drug addled Amanda had gotten help, Meredith could still be alive.


Seems more like they are both going for the "I don't remember" versions... because of those dang couple of joints cr-))
Also really wondering now what kind of 'cocktails/concoctions' they mixed that night. Could have been hard liquor with the joints, or something mixed in the joint/joints/half-bag/ounce... whatever it was. Or maybe it was just psychosis. sc-))
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max wrote:
Interesting article by Barbie.
Amanda Knox’s Ex Raffaele Sollecito Tells All in ‘Honor Bound’ Memoir

Quote:
He writes openly about the night of the murder, but he does not entirely clear up doubt that lingers among some who still believe he and Knox were involved in the crime. He says he regretted smoking marijuana on the day of the murder, and he wonders openly about the effects of mixing drugs and alcohol together, though does not admit whether he has ever done it. He writes a curious passage about girls he knew during his Erasmus semester in Berlin who mixed drugs and heavy alcohol one night when he was partying with them. “These weren’t the girls I knew—warm, charming, funny, like sisters to each other, and to me. It was as if robots had overtaken their bodies and were now trying to overtake mine. The next day, I asked the girls what had got into them, and they couldn’t say. They remembered nothing,” he wrote. “I have no idea what was in that cocktail, but the episode taught me how abruptly drinks or drugs can change our perceptions and our personalities. Or rather, it should have taught me.

'Not entirely clear up' is an understatement. Seems like he is not even really trying to hide what happened.


Damn! I read the review, now I want to read the book. An interesting perspective on his psychology and reasoning. His biggest grudge against Amanda until now was that she revealed his mother had committed suicide. (I believe that she did, and it was covered up to avoid Catholic sensibilities) Funny also it was Barbie that reported the Seattle native's preference for Hard A, the potent liqueur combo. Is he blaming her for his mental fog?
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Ergon wrote:
max wrote:
Interesting article by Barbie.
Amanda Knox’s Ex Raffaele Sollecito Tells All in ‘Honor Bound’ Memoir

Quote:
He writes openly about the night of the murder, but he does not entirely clear up doubt that lingers among some who still believe he and Knox were involved in the crime. He says he regretted smoking marijuana on the day of the murder, and he wonders openly about the effects of mixing drugs and alcohol together, though does not admit whether he has ever done it. He writes a curious passage about girls he knew during his Erasmus semester in Berlin who mixed drugs and heavy alcohol one night when he was partying with them. “These weren’t the girls I knew—warm, charming, funny, like sisters to each other, and to me. It was as if robots had overtaken their bodies and were now trying to overtake mine. The next day, I asked the girls what had got into them, and they couldn’t say. They remembered nothing,” he wrote. “I have no idea what was in that cocktail, but the episode taught me how abruptly drinks or drugs can change our perceptions and our personalities. Or rather, it should have taught me.

'Not entirely clear up' is an understatement. Seems like he is not even really trying to hide what happened.


Damn! I read the review, now I want to read the book. An interesting perspective on his psychology and reasoning. His biggest grudge against Amanda until now was that she revealed his mother had committed suicide. (I believe that she did, and it was covered up to avoid Catholic sensibilities) Funny also it was Barbie that reported the Seattle native's preference for Hard A, the potent liqueur combo. Is he blaming her for his mental fog?


No question that there is a load of information to be had here. Girls with amnesia, acting like robots, and it SHOULD have taught him? Gee, he all but gives a roadmap here. Groupies on Huffpo are still trying to convince people that everything is being 'twisted' and manipulated.
What? Read the above. Read it closely.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 76763.html

Ergon, how ironic is it that we see no pictures for months, and, suddenly, a picture of the 'dance' appears?
The first book has been published, and the 'dance' has begun.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   



Thanks max for the link to Barbie's article.

Sollecito's True Lies

So, Sollecito's The Book of Lies is officially out in the world. What can I say? Liar, liar, (orange) pants on fire! Hey Sollecito, we KNOW you are lying. You don't fool anyone, you selfish coward. We have been brainwashed you say? You wish...
I hope the book brings him little personal fame and only a few reviews.


What an arrogant a$$hole who has never worked a day in his life and was/is fully dependent on his father who is paying for his education and living expenses, not to mention paying his legal bills. Dr Sollecito may have created his own little monster; that his son feels entitled is no surprise to me.

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Sollecito confesses his disdain and distrust of his Pugliese lawyer Tiziano Tedeschi and his Perugian lawyer Luca Maori. He outlines what became serious infighting among his legal team and how his father liked the lawyers for their company. “[Papa] felt a continuing kinship with Tedeschi, despite everything, and he couldn’t help liking Maori, who was infectiously good company and invited Papa to lavish meals and evenings at the country estate,” he writes. “[Maori] was happy to take the case without payment—as indeed Tedeschi had been before him. In both cases, I came to believe that you get what you pay for.


To say that about his lawyer who defended him pro bono, instead of being grateful, that has to be the pinnacle of arrogance. I wonder what Luca Maori would say after reading this about himself.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ava wrote:
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Sorry, another gossip link if anyone's interested. Otherwise just skip it, please.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... ano-photos
Posted on Sep 17, 2012 @ 06:00AM




I'm Not just saying this, but her guy there, he doesn't half look like a swarthy git, I mean, he looks like he sleeps in that jacket, and seems to fit the mould as he doesn't look quite right in his own RIGHT

What came to mind was - seeing her face, because I see the things she hides in that face of hers, is - Meredith, and if she could only speak, what she'd reveal, and say about those two.


Actually, I almost feel sorry for him in that dancing picture, he doesn't really seem to know who he's dealing with.



Yes you are correct, to be truthful, I cannot imagine her having sat him down and then announcing, listen I did do it, please do not tell anyone.

Still, the look on his face, as you say, makes you feel sorry for him, but he looks in another way, hard-faced, like who you looking at, as in, I'm the guy and I'm protective, and then I wonder just how far and just how capable Knox is of making someone a male, feel he needs to be on her side and protect her.

Because, I also started thinking maybe she did somehow get Sollecito involved.

However, if he was prepared to go as far as 4 years, and not say a dicky bird, just how innocent is the guy?
I'm not sure, as he did some creepy things.
And how far would you go for someone you only knew 14 day, life in jail? I do not think so, he'd have to be as nutty as a cupcake manufacturer's tea party to go that far.

If he really did only clean up, would he not have thought after a year in jail, well, damn, I didn't do anything but try to help her, don't I need to help me now?

What in the world would he be doing that all for her for? He could not have been in love, not in a matter of 14 days, that's in lust, he did not even know her, and after the murder, wouldn't he have been getting to know her in a real bad way?

That wouldn't seem to be terms conducive to a loving relationship.

I think he is on a mission of positioning and why would he have spoken much like someone who never had met a black person before, like in that so very distant way of, But papa, I'm afraid of what the one from the Ivory Coast might say, when people speak like that, it doesn't take much to imagine the unsaid things, unrevealed things, like dad's reaction, perhaps racist typical reaction.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Nell wrote:
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James Terrano: Dating Amanda Knox!
September 17th, 2012 3:46 PM by Free Britney

Amanda Knox is going strong with her boyfriend, James Terrano.

As her ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito's book detailing their romance and jail time hits stores, Amanda and James have been spotted in their native Seattle, going for walks, working on dance moves and having drinks together.

Here's a photo of the couple ...

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http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/09/james-terrano-dating-amanda-knox/



(I'm not sure if this is a recent picture, he's still wearing his orange pants.)



I saw another photo on .org that shows James Terrano dancing with Amanda Knox in socks and underwear. You have to see it to believe it. I wonder who released this photo for publishing? It must have been someone they knew as they are well aware that a photo is taken. No doubt it was released with their consent.

The cameras in the courtroom often managed to picture a flattering image of Amanda Knox, but the reality is different. Ugh.


This brought up a thought: will they be announcing their engagement soon?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ex-boyfriend of Knox: 'Neither Amanda or I had anything to do with the crime' (video)

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Preview clip of Sollecito's today's appearance on "Katie":

Amanda Knox's Ex-Boyfriend Breaks His Silence



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Cardiol posted on TJMK:

Gumbel/Sollecito also wrote:

“How did Meredith’s DNA end up on my knife when she’d never visited my house? I was feeling so panicky I imagined for a moment that I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola and accidentally jabbed Meredith in the hand. Something like that had in fact happened in the week before the murder. My hand slipped and the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt, I apologized, and that was that. But of course I wasn’t using my own knife at the time. There was no possible connection. As I worked through all that in my head, I was close to panic. My stomach was burning and I felt ready to leap out of my skin.”

Gumbel, Andrew; Sollecito, Raffaele (2012-09-18). Honor Bound (Kindle Locations 1342-1347). Simon & Schuster, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

So Sollecito admits lying, but only from sheer, reflexive panic?

If they write:

“Something-like-that had in-fact-happened in the week before the murder. My hand slipped and the knife I was using made-contact-with-her-skin for the-briefest-of-moments.”

Who can contradict this alleged in-fact-happening?

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So he's saying that he DID prick Meredith with a knife, but not one of his?
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Well, looked over at Barbie, thank god she has thick skin, because it's just so rotten to read those same people saying those same nasty things to her, trying to trip her up, make her seem worthless, but anyone with any sense can see what's going on.
They must be some of the most awful people you could ever not wish to meet, and I think had it not been this case they'd be somewhere else, reacting to some child killer, I mean these things seem to attract the most mentally depraved characters.

On Sollecito, reading what you just provided Napia, I mean, good god, how feeble can a storyline be?

I pricked Meredith, she was not hurt,

God, it's so awful this lying of his, awful in the way it connects to the reality, where, Meredith was more than hurt, she died,

and then for him to come up with this weak shit, it's too much.

I feel really nauseous. There's only so much I can take, I need it in measured doses or nothing, like reading those people in the comments on Barbies pages, I didn't write anything as it feels hopeless, and those people get right in there immediately, it must really be just one or two twisted lunatics, who could get into that, probably from Knox's family, probably Mellas himself, seeing as he is on the computer a lot and was nutty enough to go online and try to force people to have different views, force them with the aid of lies and whatever else.

I just hope he Sollecito walks under a train; he is just too much with his Meredith was not hurt. What a rat.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

zorba wrote:
Well, looked over at Barbie, thank god he has thick skin, because it's just so rotten to read those same people saying those same nasty things to her, trying to trip her up, make her seem worthless, but anyone with any sense can see what's going on.
They must be some of the most awful people you could ever not wish to meet, and I think had it not been this case they'd be somewhere else, reacting to some child killer, I mean these things seem to attract the most mentally depraved characters.

On Sollecito, reading what you just provided Napia, I mean, good god, how feeble can a storyline be?

I pricked Meredith, he was not hurt,

God, it's so awful this lying of his, awful in the way it connects to the reality, where, Meredith was more than hurt, she died,

and then for him to come up with this weak shit, it's too much.

I feel really nauseous. There's only so much I can take, I need it in measured doses or nothing, like reading those people in the comments on Barbies pages, I didn't write anything as it feels hopeless, and those people get right in there immediately, it must really be just one or two twisted lunatics, who could get into that, probably from Knox's family, probably Mellas himself, seeing as he is on the computer a lot and was nutty enough to go online and try to force people to have different views, force them with the aid of lies and whatever else.

I just hope he walks under a train; he is just too much with his Meredith was not hurt. What a rat.


Zorba, I understand what you are saying. It's not hopeless for Meredith, but it IS senseless to try to debate some of these loons. I have been checking different comment sections where intelligent people are actually quoting Sollecito's book, and the loons are responding that 'he is not saying blah, blah, blah, what he means is blah, blah, blah.' They are trying to put spin on his own quotes. Senseless. And disgusting. But not at all surprising.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend 'was offered deal'
The former boyfriend of Amanda Knox claims he was offered a secret pact by prosecutors in which all blame for the murder of Meredith Kercher would be pinned on the American undergraduate.
By Nick Squires, Rome
5:00PM BST 18 Sep 2012

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -deal.html

from the article:

"Mr Sollecito, now 28, said that when Giulia Bongiorno, his defence lawyer, heard of the alleged negotiations she was horrified and threatened to quit the case.
He and his family dismissed any idea of collaborating with the prosecution and he continued to maintain his innocence.
Mr Mignini on Tuesday denied “categorically” that he had ever sought to negotiate a secret deal with Mr Sollecito or his family."
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Sorry, another gossip link if anyone's interested. Otherwise just skip it, please.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... ano-photos
Posted on Sep 17, 2012 @ 06:00AM




I'm Not just saying this, but her guy there, he doesn't half look like a swarthy git, I mean, he looks like he sleeps in that jacket, and seems to fit the mould as he doesn't look quite right in his own RIGHT

What came to mind was - seeing her face, because I see the things she hides in that face of hers, is - Meredith, and if she could only speak, what she'd reveal, and say about those two.


Actually, I almost feel sorry for him in that dancing picture, he doesn't really seem to know who he's dealing with.



Yes you are correct, to be truthful, I cannot imagine her having sat him down and then announcing, listen I did do it, please do not tell anyone.

Still, the look on his face, as you say, makes you feel sorry for him, but he looks in another way, hard-faced, like who you looking at, as in, I'm the guy and I'm protective, and then I wonder just how far and just how capable Knox is of making someone a male, feel he needs to be on her side and protect her.

Because, I also started thinking maybe she did somehow get Sollecito involved.

However, if he was prepared to go as far as 4 years, and not say a dicky bird, just how innocent is the guy?
I'm not sure, as he did some creepy things.
And how far would you go for someone you only knew 14 day, life in jail? I do not think so, he'd have to be as nutty as a cupcake manufacturer's tea party to go that far.

If he really did only clean up, would he not have thought after a year in jail, well, damn, I didn't do anything but try to help her, don't I need to help me now?
...



Yeah, well, at least he's trying (looking hard-faced and protective) :)
As for Raffaele, I agree. If he was innocent he wouldn't have kept quiet for 4 years. But he probably does feel that Amanda dragged him into this and that she's definitely more guilty than he is.
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Ergon wrote:
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James Terrano: Dating Amanda Knox!
September 17th, 2012 3:46 PM by Free Britney

Amanda Knox is going strong with her boyfriend, James Terrano.

As her ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito's book detailing their romance and jail time hits stores, Amanda and James have been spotted in their native Seattle, going for walks, working on dance moves and having drinks together.

Here's a photo of the couple ...

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http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/09/james-terrano-dating-amanda-knox/



(I'm not sure if this is a recent picture, he's still wearing his orange pants.)



I saw another photo on .org that shows James Terrano dancing with Amanda Knox in socks and underwear. You have to see it to believe it. I wonder who released this photo for publishing? It must have been someone they knew as they are well aware that a photo is taken. No doubt it was released with their consent.

The cameras in the courtroom often managed to picture a flattering image of Amanda Knox, but the reality is different. Ugh.


This brought up a thought: will they be announcing their engagement soon?


I had the same thought, Ergon. But then, isn't she too 'quirky' for that (in her own mind)?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Raffaele Sollecito makes new claims in memoir about Amanda Knox trial
Knox's boyfriend at the time of Meredith Kercher's murder delivers a curious story in memoir that alleges sloppy police work
Emma Brockes
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 18 September 2012 16.35 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/se ... nox-memoir


There are more details from his book in this article. E.g. Raffaele claims that the police stripped him naked, threatened him and slapped him. (?)
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I think 'quirky' has been replaced by 'calculating' now, Ava.
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Author's insight into Raffaele Sollecito, boyfriend alongside Amanda Knox
by LINDA BYRON / KING 5 News
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Posted on September 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=170202696 ... main=10212

"She [Dempsey] didn't know Sollecito had read her book until after he and Amanda were acquitted on appeal. Last March, he invited her to a small party of his Seattle supporters.

What Sollecito wants people to know

“There were things he wanted each of us to know and for me it was that he supported Amanda. He thought that was really important for everyone to know that he was really proud of himself for not throwing her under the bus,” said Dempsey.

...

Dempsey says Seattle is perfect for Sollecito, who has a computer science degree and wants to be a video game designer. But there is that little issue of Seattle's rain.

"What I've discovered with most Italians is they like to be farther south where there is more sun, so I could just as easily see him being a Silicon Valley guy,” she said.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend 'was offered deal'
The former boyfriend of Amanda Knox claims he was offered a secret pact by prosecutors in which all blame for the murder of Meredith Kercher would be pinned on the American undergraduate.
By Nick Squires, Rome
5:00PM BST 18 Sep 2012

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -deal.html


Thanks Ava. What a pack of lies (again). I doubt it was the prosecution that was trying to make a deal with Sollecito, but rather the Sollecito family was exploring ways of cutting a deal with the prosecution (they were told he [Mignini] might, etc etc)

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"What I did not know at the time because they preferred not to fill me in, was that (my family was) exploring what it would take to soften or drop the case against me," he writes in the book.

"The advice they received was almost unanimous – the more I distanced myself from Amanda, the better.

"The bottom line – Mignini, they were told, was not at all that interested in me except as a gateway to Amanda. He might indeed be willing to acknowledge that I was entirely innocent, but only if I gave him something in exchange, either by incriminating Amanda directly or by no longer vouching for her."

His family was told by a lawyer in Perugia that if Mr Sollecito admitted to a minor role in the crime he would get a sentence of six to 12 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I just noticed that Jason Puracal was released and his family flew to New York to greet him.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-man-freed-nica ... tml?_esi=1

Perhaps Moore and Fischer are in New York?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
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Well, looked over at Barbie, thank god he has thick skin, because it's just so rotten to read those same people saying those same nasty things to her, trying to trip her up, make her seem worthless, but anyone with any sense can see what's going on.
They must be some of the most awful people you could ever not wish to meet, and I think had it not been this case they'd be somewhere else, reacting to some child killer, I mean these things seem to attract the most mentally depraved characters.

On Sollecito, reading what you just provided Napia, I mean, good god, how feeble can a storyline be?

I pricked Meredith, he was not hurt,

God, it's so awful this lying of his, awful in the way it connects to the reality, where, Meredith was more than hurt, she died,

and then for him to come up with this weak shit, it's too much.

I feel really nauseous. There's only so much I can take, I need it in measured doses or nothing, like reading those people in the comments on Barbies pages, I didn't write anything as it feels hopeless, and those people get right in there immediately, it must really be just one or two twisted lunatics, who could get into that, probably from Knox's family, probably Mellas himself, seeing as he is on the computer a lot and was nutty enough to go online and try to force people to have different views, force them with the aid of lies and whatever else.

I just hope he walks under a train; he is just too much with his Meredith was not hurt. What a rat.


Zorba, I understand what you are saying. It's not hopeless for Meredith, but it IS senseless to try to debate some of these loons. I have been checking different comment sections where intelligent people are actually quoting Sollecito's book, and the loons are responding that 'he is not saying blah, blah, blah, what he means is blah, blah, blah.' They are trying to put spin on his own quotes. Senseless. And disgusting. But not at all surprising.


Same old stories: If they DID so and so that seemed/is/looked guilty... they were REALLY doing this or that innocently.

If they SAID so and so that seemed/is/sounded guily... they REALLY meant this or that innocently.

F'ers and groupies, what a group. w-((
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Sollecito's interview is over. He looked and acted quite nervous and the host asked him a few good questions.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I caught some of the Couric Interview. I think she did a fair job. The language barrier was a big minus. He spoke slowly, but I still had to strain to catch what he was saying. He blames the media for the fact that many people still believe that they are guilty. We only know what the media tells us. She looked 'connected' in this interview. I'd like to think that she would have ripped him a new one in another setting.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Hey, look at him! What has he done to his hair? Put some mousse or gel in it? It looks stiff and glossy.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

That is 'product' G :)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Thanks, rep. It looks like they pre-taped it an hour or so earlier then.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
He blames the media for the fact that many people still believe that they are guilty.


How is that possible? I thought the American media helped to tip the scales toward their INNOCENCE?
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Ergon wrote:
Thanks, rep. It looks like they pre-taped it an hour or so earlier then.


I wonder if there was someone for Sollecito to give him instructions how to act, dress and behave and how to react if Couric decides to push him a little bit more. Is there any agent or a PR person? To be honest, he didn't win anyone over with his appearance. What I liked is that there was a big picture of Meredith.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Wonder why he didn't wear his orange pants.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Have just downloaded the video of the interview from the link posted on .org:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=120790#p120790

I'm off to watch it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I think his media turtor taught him well. It went slowly. Too slowly IMO to be natural. To me, the whole tempo was off a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

rep wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Thanks, rep. It looks like they pre-taped it an hour or so earlier then.


I wonder if there was someone for Sollecito to give him instructions how to act, dress and behave and how to react if Couric decides to push him a little bit more. Is there any agent or a PR person? To be honest, he didn't win anyone over with his appearance. What I liked is that there was a big picture of Meredith.


He has an agent, Sharlene Martin, PR agents to help him with his media appearance, and minders from his publisher.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
Have just downloaded the video of the interview from the link posted on .org:

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=120790#p120790

I'm off to watch it.



Just watched it...I think RS had been coached, he kept repeating the same things over and over again, but he wasn't convincing. Probably weird and confusing for most of the audience.
Besides that, Rudy Guede was introduced as a "serial burglar", and Amanda has sung a song via skype for Raffaele the other day.
Really weird.
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Overall I thought Katie didn't let him sidetrack the questions. When she questioned him about being uncomfortable with Amanda's romantic advances at the Questura he was trying to say it was the police watching that made him uncomfortable not Amanda in his lap. He actually narrowed his eyes at Katie. Did he not write in his book it was Amanda who made him uncomfortable and is this another attempt to back peddle or spin what he has said? This moment and the fact he doesn't want to judge Guede made the interview for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:13 pm   Post subject: MY LETTER TO KATIE COURIC   

Hi, all, now the show's over I can pass on the letter I wrote to Katie Couric's Show and sent by e-mail under my name and address on Aug. 31. I also spoke to her producer and she promised to look at our concerns. Kept it quiet to not alert the Friends Of Knox.


August 31, 2012

Dear Katie,

Congratulations on your new show, for which I wish you all the best.

My question has to do with your guest Raffaele Sollecito. I am one of the administrators of the investigation site Perugia Murder File www.perugiamurderfile.net which was the original site recording the details of the case, and a group of our professional translators presented the Massei Judgement Report in English for the world media. It was a massive undertaking which detailed the reasons for the original findings of guilt. We support the family of Meredith Kercher and believe that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were involved in her sad murder.

We, along with our sister site www.perugiamurderfile.org were wrongly characterized as 'hate sites' by one of the commenters to your "It's a new beginning" post, but never mind. My concern is for the accuracy of what will be said or asked in the interview. It is our contention, along with many reporters and specialists in Italian law that follow our sites, that American media is misinformed about the case, as has also been reported by journalists Barbie Nadeau of Newsweek, Andrea Vogt of the Seattle Times, and John Follain of the Times of London.

Here are three facts that have not been accurately reported:

1) While they may have been acquitted by the First Appeal Court on the basis of insufficient evidence, there are many questions left unanswered about their suspicious behavior after the murder, conflicting alibis, and improbable stories. Raffaele’s family was recorded discussing ways to manipulate the judges, and his lawyer, Giulia Bongiorno, who is also the head of the Italian parliament’s judiciary committee (a conflict of interest!) is believed to have caused the removal of the judge assigned to hear the appeal.

2) Under Italian law Sollecito and Knox have not been fully exonerated and may well be sent back to trial if the Supreme Court so rules in March of next year.

3) And, most importantly, Raffaele Sollecito left his DNA on Meredith Kercher's bra clasp. Even the Appeal court appointed experts had to admit it was his DNA, and provided no explanation for how it might have got there. Anyone who argues contamination does not know what they are talking about.

I hope you will look into this, and ask the tough questions required. OJ Simpson was also acquitted by a court, yet believed by many to be guilty of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman's murders. I would be happy to answer any further questions for your team if necessary.

Sincerely,
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

People can match my letter with the questions she asked, then decide if it was a "tough" interview.
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The interview exceeded any expectations I had There certainly were moments where she wasn't letting him off easily as he jumped in with excuses. She had him on the defensive and looks like she may have been reading up on the case. Good work Ergon , not a great send off for his book launch. He also bombed when he described those who still believe in his guilt as being in a fog. He's already described his memory as foggy. The clean cut 50's style hair didn't help , looked as rehearsed as his answers.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

malvern wrote:
Overall I thought Katie didn't let him sidetrack the questions. When she questioned him about being uncomfortable with Amanda's romantic advances at the Questura he was trying to say it was the police watching that made him uncomfortable not Amanda in his lap. He actually narrowed his eyes at Katie. Did he not write in his book it was Amanda who made him uncomfortable and is this another attempt to back peddle or spin what he has said? This moment and the fact he doesn't want to judge Guede made the interview for me.


I think he wrote that he found it embarrassing (AK on his lap), but I noticed that too, malvern. RS is being as vague as possible, nothing new really.
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Ergon wrote:
People can match my letter with the questions she asked, then decide if it was a "tough" interview.


Thanks for your efforts, Ergon, it was certainly tough for RS.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I was disappointed when she said "the remote possibility" of the SC ordering a retrial, and that "there was virtually no evidence linking them to the crime scene" but appreciated "what do you say to the significant number of people who think you were involved?"

And that she remembered Meredith at the end. This was his least believable moment, and there were many. So, overall I'm glad for the interview.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Nice letter E.

Looked to me she had some doubts about his 'answers' and probably did about the best she could under the overall circumstances. Anyway... he only opened himself up to many more questions and I don't think saying the police were threatening his life is one of his best decisions. The Appeal can fix this circus... I hope they step up.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

dgfred wrote:
Nice letter E.

Looked to me she had some doubts about his 'answers' and probably did about the best she could under the overall circumstances. Anyway... he only opened himself up to many more questions and I don't think saying the police were threatening his life is one of his best decisions. The Appeal can fix this circus... I hope they step up.


I agree, dgfred. Nice job, Ergon. And I also believe Couric did the best job she could under the circumstances. I think she senses the story. But, to be fair, if she has not been following this closely, imagine how difficult it would be to get up to speed in days. How long would it take to digest the massive volume of information?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I do wish she would have asked RS the reason why AK was under any intense questioning at all... HE WITHDREW HER/THEIR ALIBI AND SAID HE HAD PREVIOUSLY TOLD THEM A PILE OF RUBISH!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Poor fellow sure did lose all that burningdoobman sun/wind burn... or he had gobs of makeup on.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Quotes from the interview published in the Daily Mail:

Sollecito called their intense relationship 'dreamy' and 'crazy' before it was cut short just nine days after they met at a university classical concert.

Quote:
'It was a really nice relationship,' he said, saying they only parted for lectures. 'In that period, she was much more at my apartment than in her one. It was an intense story, it was the start. It was crazy.'


(Me: Why does he call their relationship 'crazy'? A strange epithet to use.)

In images that graced newspaper pages and news channels around the world, they were filmed kissing shortly after the body was found - a move Sollecito strongly stands by.

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'Amanda was shocked,' he said. 'She was standing in the middle of an empty space and I was the only one who was there to comfort her. It was a comforting kiss.

'Her family was on the other side of the world at that time. The only person she could trust at that time was me.'


He continued that the police always wanted to involve him and his girlfriend in the killing, and admitted he had underestimated their intentions so naively did not find a lawyer.

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'The police, they wanted it,' he said. 'The detectives had their eyes on us since the beginning.

'I didn't feel the need to have a lawyer, I didn't touch anything, I didn't get into the murder scene. It was impossible to me that I would ever be charged for a murder like that.'


He also recounted his 'nightmare four years' behind bars, where he kept in contact with Amanda through weekly letters talking about how they passed their days.

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'It was impossible to bear,' he said. 'I wish no one will experience what I experienced - six months of solitary confinement, having the whole world against you. It's a wound that is hard to heal.'


While there, his family encouraged him to speak out against Amanda so that he could save himself. Even though he had only known her a week, he flat-out refused.

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'On the plate, there was my life or throw Amanda under the bus,' he said. 'I cannot walk on the street being a free man realising I am to blame for a 20-year-old innocent spending the rest of her life in prison.'


After walking free, he decided to write a book so that he could finally paint an honest picture of who he was to the world, not one the media had depicted, he said.

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'All the details they spread around... created a fog of nonsense,' he said. 'I wrote a book just to have an opportunity to take the figure they portrayed and take it back to me and just tell the truth.'


Katie Couric pointed out that, even though a man is behind bars for the murder, the family of Meredith Kercher cannot be forgotten. Sollecito agreed he hopes they find answers.

Quote:
'I cannot imagine the pain they suffer and I'm really sorry for that,' he said. I really badly wish they find out what happened to their daughter. Finding the truth, will also be the truth for me.'


...He said he did not know how he would react on seeing Knox in Seattle earlier this year.

Quote:
'When I look at her I get stuck a little bit, I was nervous,' he said. 'I still had the psychological wounds of this nightmare that passed in prison. Her image brought up the image of the nightmare.

'After she hugged me, I realised that Amanda is the Amanda that I dated for that week. She's not the Amanda that was the ghost Amanda during those four years.'


He remains in touch with Knox, whom he dated for what he calls 'a dreamy week' before the murder, and they regularly Skype.

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'We exchange emails,' he said, smiling. 'She sang a song for me during our last Skype conversation.'


THE DAILY MAIL
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Comments on today's show on Katie Couric's website:

http://www.katiecouric.com/lets-talk/why-do-certain-stories-captivate-us/
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http://www.oggi.it/focus/cronaca/2012/0 ... re-amanda/

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Is there anyone that RS doesn't blame? The media, his family, his lawyers, AK and her supporters, the police, the prosecutors. Oh, but he doesn't want to judge Rudy. The one person he should blame...if he was innocent.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
Comments on today's show on Katie Couric's website:

http://www.katiecouric.com/lets-talk/why-do-certain-stories-captivate-us/


Thanks, guermantes. I see even Bruce has shown up to show Couric the way. If this is her first contact with the Groupies, she has to be wondering WTF?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Another article about Katie Couric's Raffaele interview. And the charade continues...


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... -sollecito
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

The reason Sollecito says stuff like he is some kind of saviour good guy towards Knox, that he would have a go at his family for saying anything against her, is not because it is true that she was guilty of nothing, it's because he had and still has no choice to keep the pretence going, because both were involved.


The police tried to get him to do this, do that.

The guy is out of his tiny little mind, the only reason he is covering for Knox is that he is covering for himself.

The police did no such thing, would have had no access to him or his family, when he was in jail and I do not think somehow prosecutors go for sneaky cups of coffee with people involved in murder, that means not with members of the families either, I hope very much that he winds up with another set of charges against him, I mean, to say this about the police, he is up the wall.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

There's a word, schadenfreude, that applies very well to the Friends Of Amanda. Here they were, positively giddy that Raf's book would be amazing, that Katie Couric would really boost him, and we would be so angry that she'd be public enemy # 1 with us. (All noted on their website)

The reality as we now know, is the book's a dud, and it's they who are attacking Katie on her own website :)

Thanks to all those who wrote to her, especially Bedelia of. ORG who stood outside the studio handing out flyers about Meredith Kercher. It is because of our efforts that Katie did not let it be a promo for his book, but ask the questions, maybe not what I would have wished for, but her body language, spoke volumes.

And, to save the worst for last. Bruce Fischer, who NEVER fails to grab every opportunity to show his lack of decency, actually wrote on her site, that Meredith is remembered for the wrong reasons, and the world would have forgotten her by now otherwise.

What a total failure as a human being.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
http://www.oggi.it/focus/cronaca/2012/09/18/raffaele-sollecito-volevano-che-mentissi-per-incastrare-amanda/

WARNING! Picture ahead.


Sollecito wrote:

“She gave me a big hug [during their reunion in Seattle in March], the kind that’s given between great friends or between brother and sister, those who share a special, unbreakable bond. Amanda and I are only one entity now.

I guess, although they don't really know each other, they have now morphed into each other. ;)

Here is an 'AK to RS morph' produced by Macport:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Oh my God, guermantes, that has to be the spookiest thing I've ever seen!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:46 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Oh my God, guermantes, that has to be the spookiest thing I've ever seen!


Yes it's scary, isn't it. Talk about meeting a "soul mate"...

Raffaele Sollecito: Amanda Knox “nervous” about appeal
A revealing behind-the-scenes interview with Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend.



Kathie - Behind the scenes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Foxtrot Knoxy
Amanda dances with new love

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Ex-boyfriend's memoir gives new perspective on Amanda Knox story
By Barbie Nadeau, for CNN

:!: Guede is writing a book but does not have a publisher, according to his lawyers. :!:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Seattle attorney Anne Bremner talks about Knox, Sollecito (video)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
Foxtrot Knoxy
Amanda dances with new love

THE SUN

Ex-boyfriend's memoir gives new perspective on Amanda Knox story
By Barbie Nadeau, for CNN

:!: Guede is writing a book but does not have a publisher, according to his lawyers. :!:

CNN

Barbie writes well. She shows objectivity without being afraid of quoting the ridiculous parts of the book. Let the reader decide.

Quote:
He chronicles the day of the murder, admitting that he and Knox smoked marijuana that afternoon, which he says he regretted because it clouded his memory of what happened. While maintaining his innocence, he says he does not clearly remember even if Knox spent the night with him.

Damage control is needed. AK supporters will now be trying to flood the comments with 'scientific evidence' that indeed smoking a joint in the afternoon can clear once memory of an entire night. Anyway, Raf knows AK was with him that night because she didn't have a key of his apartment. So there ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Anybody speak Italian?
http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/me ... a4503.html

Andrea Vogt does.
http://thefreelancedesk.com/?p=849

More damage control. This time by Francesco Sollecito.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:11 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
“She gave me a big hug [during their reunion in Seattle in March], the kind that’s given between great friends or between brother and sister, those who share a special, unbreakable bond. Amanda and I are only one entity now.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Sollecito is a walking ticking Freudian time bomb.

And wouldn't it be interesting if Guede's book were published in ITALY? :)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

In the US online media, the pictures of Amanda are overtly unattractive. I've never thought she was any more than average looking, but the photos I've seen in regards to the Raff pr tour, they've chosen the most unattractive photos of Amanda.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Just turned on the TV and saw Anderson Cooper Live. He has a commercial for the next show. Raffaele Sollecito.
This is a day-time program. 9AM on the East Coast.

http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/ ... eron-dwts/


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

This excerpt from TJMK:

Quote:
“How did Meredith’s DNA end up on my knife when she’d never visited my house? I was feeling so panicky I imagined for a moment that I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola and accidentally jabbed Meredith in the hand. Something like that had in fact happened in the week before the murder. My hand slipped and the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt, I apologized, and that was that. But of course I wasn’t using my own knife at the time. There was no possible connection. As I worked through all that in my head, I was close to panic. My stomach was burning and I felt ready to leap out of my skin.”

Gumbel, Andrew; Sollecito, Raffaele (2012-09-18). Honor Bound (Kindle Locations 1342-1347). Simon & Schuster, Inc.. Kindle Edition.


His body language was full of media tutored false earnestness, and no honesty. The camera did a close up on two women in the audience. Could have sworn one of them was FBI agent Steve Moore's wife Michelle. She and her companion looked shocked. Definitely not happy campers.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

From Peter Quennell on TJMK:

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"You and Hopeful have suggested for me what may be the mother of all tough questions. To Sollecito.

In 2008 you and Knox were both psychologically tested in Capanne and found likely to be a continuing danger to the public, so you were denied house arrest up to trial in 2009 and instead had to remain in Capanne.

We understand psychologists saw symptoms in both of you ranging from NPD through BPD to full psychopathia. In fact, you test high on the remote testing psychopathic scale.

This same jubilation and catch-me-if-you-can contempt for the law you are demonstrating in the book and public statements has been noted in a number of murdering psychopaths. In many cases they killed again.

Did you get kicks out of Meredith’s murder and taunting the police up to when you were arrested? And are you a continuing danger to the public? Could you kill again?"

Posted by Peter Quennell on 09/18/12 at 12:08 PM |


Once again with the report. If it was leaked, then a breach of confidentiality. Obviously, if the report is accurate, it's very very bad for the two defendants. But I think it would be nice for Pete to confirm whether he actually saw it or not, instead of hinting.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Does Raffaele admit there really was Meredith's DNA on the knife found in his own kitchen? That's very significant.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I'll have to read the book, Emerald, but at the moment I think he's describing why he made up that story.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
This excerpt from TJMK:

Quote:
“How did Meredith’s DNA end up on my knife when she’d never visited my house? I was feeling so panicky I imagined for a moment that I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola and accidentally jabbed Meredith in the hand. Something like that had in fact happened in the week before the murder. My hand slipped and the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt, I apologized, and that was that. But of course I wasn’t using my own knife at the time. There was no possible connection. As I worked through all that in my head, I was close to panic. My stomach was burning and I felt ready to leap out of my skin.”

Gumbel, Andrew; Sollecito, Raffaele (2012-09-18). Honor Bound (Kindle Locations 1342-1347). Simon & Schuster, Inc.. Kindle Edition.


His body language was full of media tutored false earnestness, and no honesty. The camera did a close up on two women in the audience. Could have sworn one of them was FBI agent Steve Moore's wife Michelle. She and her companion looked shocked. Definitely not happy campers.


I have re-read the knife statement here carefully. He is stating that he pricked Meredith with a knife at her cottage.
BUT IT WAS NOT HIS KNIFE. Essentially, he is explaining why he lied. But didn't actually lie. The DNA should not be on the knife at his aparement. Not HIS knife. But, according to him, a knife at the girls' cottage.
He is simply trying to explain why it sounded like a lie, but really wasn't. You know, more confusion.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
Seattle attorney Anne Bremner talks about Knox, Sollecito (video)

KING5 NEWS


She should stop talking about 'Fellini forensics'. He doesn't deserve this.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I personally hope that Ms. Couric attempts to have Stephanie Kercher on her program.
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'Amanda Knox’s boyfriend was stripped and abused by police ', book claims
Amanda Knox’s boyfriend was stripped naked and physically abused by police before being placed in solitary confinement after the pair was accused of the murder of Meredith Kercher, he claims in a book published on Tuesday.
By Nick Squires, in Rome
3:08PM BST 19 Sep 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... laims.html

from the article:
In “Honour Bound – My Journey to Hell and Back with Amanda Knox,” he says he and his then girlfriend were the victims of a gross miscarriage of justice.
He was repeatedly abused, both physically and verbally, by police as they tried to force a confession out of him.
“A (policeman) leaned into me and hissed, ‘If you try to get up and leave, I’ll beat you into a pulp and kill you. I’ll leave you in a pool of blood.’
Another interrogator slapped him and told him his father was “a fine outstanding person....(who) doesn’t deserve a son like you, someone who would stand by a whore like Amanda.”
(...)
Following one questioning session, he was ordered to strip naked at Perugia police station.
“’Take off everything,’ I was told, ‘even your underpants.’ I had already been shoeless most of the night but this was a whole new level of humiliation. I was made to walk around in front of a female doctor. I felt so ashamed I didn’t even look up at her.’”
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

He can say what he likes on American TV. The truth will play out in Italy.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

True... he will be walking into a firestorm there I think.
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Gosh...naked in front of a doctor. That is horrible :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Just turned on the TV and saw Anderson Cooper Live. He has a commercial for the next show. Raffaele Sollecito.
This is a day-time program. 9AM on the East Coast.

http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/ ... eron-dwts/


So we'll have to endure a second Sollecito interview in one week; that's really too much. Sigh.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

max wrote:
Gosh...naked in front of a doctor. That is horrible :roll:


He was 'strip searched' because he was about to be admitted to the general population of a jail and it’s standard operating procedure for all jail facilities (I think).
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guermantes wrote:
max wrote:
Gosh...naked in front of a doctor. That is horrible :roll:


He was 'strip searched' because he was about to be admitted to the general population of a jail and it’s standard operating procedure for all jail facilities (I think).



He is on a different planet to ordinary humans.

I expect when the prison doctor told him to get undressed Sollecito asked if the doc was going to buy him a drink first

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I hope somebody gets to ask Sollecito my question
At one point, he is resentful that all of the attention is on Knox, he is forgotten.
If this is the case, then why publish the book here only? Why not Italy? Doesn't he care if his own country has forgotten him?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

For anyone interested, you can now view sections of the KindleBook on Amazon.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Importing this piece of news from .org with the link to the original post. Translation: Jools.

Besides being significant on its own, it directly contradicts what Sollecito wrote in his 'memoir'. There may be more trouble ahead for him.

"Most of the Italian media is today reporting the following statement by Mignini to Ansa News Agency."

Meredith case: Secret negotiations with the prosecutor? Mignini denies it and announces legal action.

The public prosecutor of Perugia, [Giuliano] Mignini, has denied the hypothesis of the “secret deal to frame Amanda” contained in Raffaele Sollecito’s book “Honor Bound” released in the United States of America.

Giuliano Mignini, Perugia’s pm, “categorically” denies any notion of a secret deal with some family members of Raffaele Sollecito in the process for the murder of the English student Meredith Kercher. This is the magistrate of Perugia response to what was written by the young man in the book “Honor Bound” published in the USA and reported today by La Stampa.

In the book written by Sollecito, together with the English journalist Andrew Gumble, it is said that during the procedure of First Instance on the murder of Meredith, there was an alleged secret negotiation that sees the public prosecutor Mignini convey, through intermediaries, to the family of Raffaele Sollecito, an offer of a more lenient punishment if the co-defendant [RS] had corroborated the accusation of the murder charge against Amanda Knox.

Finally Mignini, without going into the details of the case, in conclusion confirmed to Ansa that “I reserve the right to take all legal actions”.

PERUGIA TODAY


http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=120883#p120883
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
For anyone interested, you can now view sections of the KindleBook on Amazon.


Thanks Napia5. I can hardly stand to read it. I probably should have waited a couple more weeks before looking inside that book. You'd need to have a strong stomach and nerves of steel to make it to the end of that fictitious tale in one piece. tu-))
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

What a sense of humor Katie’s sytlists have!
He looks like he was preened for a Glee audition, with the moused comb-over and blazer…but the thick nasal quality of his voice defied that, or was it that fog of nonsense he began spewing?



Contrary to Knox's testimony he claims they were only apart during lectures, he then says there was no blood in the bathroom but the blood that was there could have been from a nosebleed, the bloody bathmat footprint was made in…water?, he didn’t touch anything (pssst what about the bra and Meredith’s doorknob), her behavior didn’t make him uncomfortable (contrary to what he writes in his book), etc etc etc

He's sold 53 books so far this month (13 last month) on amazon.com, the largest online bookstore. Of course the book is available on the smaller sites B&N and iBooks as well (does anyone know how to track sales on those sales?)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Maybe he was leaving us a little tip about the blood... 'nose bleed'. Interesting.

Also... 'careful not to touch anything at the crime scene'. Oops.

And the claims made against the police and the prosecution will come back to haunt him. The Italians and his father can not be too happy about this fiasco in public opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
There's a word, schadenfreude, that applies very well to the Friends Of Amanda. Here they were, positively giddy that Raf's book would be amazing, that Katie Couric would really boost him, and we would be so angry that she'd be public enemy # 1 with us. (All noted on their website)

The reality as we now know, is the book's a dud, and it's they who are attacking Katie on her own website :)

Thanks to all those who wrote to her, especially Bedelia of. ORG who stood outside the studio handing out flyers about Meredith Kercher. It is because of our efforts that Katie did not let it be a promo for his book, but ask the questions, maybe not what I would have wished for, but her body language, spoke volumes.

And, to save the worst for last. Bruce Fischer, who NEVER fails to grab every opportunity to show his lack of decency, actually wrote on her site, that Meredith is remembered for the wrong reasons, and the world would have forgotten her by now otherwise.

What a total failure as a human being.



The true reality is that those who are actually close to Amanda, have been very worried about Raffaele and what his book might contain. They certainly did not share Bruce Fischer's followers naive belief that it would emerge as some sort of triumph for Amanda. This is why they were sucking up to Raffaele by entertaining him in Seattle in an attempt to keep him sweet. Some of their worst fears have now been realised, not least with his essentially contradicting his own lawyers spin from the trial and appeal by torpedoing Amanda's alibi (and his own along with it).

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Author's insight into Raffaele Sollecito, boyfriend alongside Amanda Knox
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"She [Dempsey] didn't know Sollecito had read her book until after he and Amanda were acquitted on appeal. Last March, he invited her to a small party of his Seattle supporters.

What Sollecito wants people to know

“There were things he wanted each of us to know and for me it was that he supported Amanda. He thought that was really important for everyone to know that he was really proud of himself for not throwing her under the bus,” said Dempsey.

...

Dempsey says Seattle is perfect for Sollecito, who has a computer science degree and wants to be a video game designer. But there is that little issue of Seattle's rain.

"What I've discovered with most Italians is they like to be farther south where there is more sun, so I could just as easily see him being a Silicon Valley guy,” she said.



So much for Dempsey's favoured excuse for the 'misunderstanding' over Meredith's locked room being due to Raffaele's poor English then. His English seemed perfectly good enough to read her book!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Raffaele Sollecito makes new claims in memoir about Amanda Knox trial
Knox's boyfriend at the time of Meredith Kercher's murder delivers a curious story in memoir that alleges sloppy police work
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guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 18 September 2012 16.35 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/se ... nox-memoir


There are more details from his book in this article. E.g. Raffaele claims that the police stripped him naked, threatened him and slapped him. (?)


Funny how his lawyers never made any complaint about it in court.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend 'was offered deal'
The former boyfriend of Amanda Knox claims he was offered a secret pact by prosecutors in which all blame for the murder of Meredith Kercher would be pinned on the American undergraduate.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -deal.html

from the article:

"Mr Sollecito, now 28, said that when Giulia Bongiorno, his defence lawyer, heard of the alleged negotiations she was horrified and threatened to quit the case.
He and his family dismissed any idea of collaborating with the prosecution and he continued to maintain his innocence.
Mr Mignini on Tuesday denied “categorically” that he had ever sought to negotiate a secret deal with Mr Sollecito or his family."



I can fully believe that. Only a victory would have been good enough publicity for a 'super lawyer' like Bongiorno...and copping to lesser offences would certainly not have been that victory. Only an acquittal would have done for her.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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I'll see Raff's Katie interview later today, but have heard various reports about the book. seems to me Raff is not absolutely convinced Amanda did not have anything to do with the crime. I'm not sure he believes Amanda was with him at the apartment the whole night.

I've made no secret that I believe Raff was not involved until the clean up. I also believe Amanda left Raff's apartment to go find a party. When that evening began, Raff was mentally prepared for a quiet evening alone. Amanda was mentally prepared for a party. Then, she got the call from Patrick canceling the 'party'. After the acrobatic sex, Raff was exhausted, Amanda left looking for party supplies.

Amanda was present when the torturous murder was committed. Of that I have absolutely no doubt. She said so more than once; even in writing. Then, there's that completely ridiculous e-mail she wrote.

Nonetheless, if narcissistic drug addled Amanda had gotten help, Meredith could still be alive.


Seems more like they are both going for the "I don't remember" versions... because of those dang couple of joints cr-))
Also really wondering now what kind of 'cocktails/concoctions' they mixed that night. Could have been hard liquor with the joints, or something mixed in the joint/joints/half-bag/ounce... whatever it was. Or maybe it was just psychosis. sc-))




Mixing strong alcohol with the joints would have been enough. Recent studies have shown that alcohol raises the bioavailability of drugs by up to four times (so, makes them four times stronger). Alcohol also raises aggression and reduces boundaries and restraint.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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I hope somebody gets to ask Sollecito my question
At one point, he is resentful that all of the attention is on Knox, he is forgotten.
If this is the case, then why publish the book here only? Why not Italy? Doesn't he care if his own country has forgotten him?



Because the whole exercise is about making money.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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This excerpt from TJMK:

Quote:
“How did Meredith’s DNA end up on my knife when she’d never visited my house? I was feeling so panicky I imagined for a moment that I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola and accidentally jabbed Meredith in the hand. Something like that had in fact happened in the week before the murder. My hand slipped and the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt, I apologized, and that was that. But of course I wasn’t using my own knife at the time. There was no possible connection. As I worked through all that in my head, I was close to panic. My stomach was burning and I felt ready to leap out of my skin.”

Gumbel, Andrew; Sollecito, Raffaele (2012-09-18). Honor Bound (Kindle Locations 1342-1347). Simon & Schuster, Inc.. Kindle Edition.


His body language was full of media tutored false earnestness, and no honesty. The camera did a close up on two women in the audience. Could have sworn one of them was FBI agent Steve Moore's wife Michelle. She and her companion looked shocked. Definitely not happy campers.


I have re-read the knife statement here carefully. He is stating that he pricked Meredith with a knife at her cottage.
BUT IT WAS NOT HIS KNIFE. Essentially, he is explaining why he lied. But didn't actually lie. The DNA should not be on the knife at his aparement. Not HIS knife. But, according to him, a knife at the girls' cottage.
He is simply trying to explain why it sounded like a lie, but really wasn't. You know, more confusion.


No, his claim was that he pricked her at his apartment when she came over for dinner one time. Only, there was no such dinner and Meredith had never been to his apartment.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Sollecito is a walking ticking Freudian time bomb.

And wouldn't it be interesting if Guede's book were published in ITALY? :)


It won't be, Italian law forbids it. Criminals are not permitted to profit from their crimes in Italy.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Just turned on the TV and saw Anderson Cooper Live. He has a commercial for the next show. Raffaele Sollecito.
This is a day-time program. 9AM on the East Coast.

http://www.andersoncooper.com/episodes/ ... eron-dwts/


So we'll have to endure a second Sollecito interview in one week; that's really too much. Sigh.

Here are some tips on how to connect with 'Anderson Live': How to connect

You can find out what time Anderson Live airs in your area HERE

About the show: http://www.andersoncooper.com/page/about-the-show/


from twitter, questions are being solicited for tonight's 360 program..

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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The true reality is that those who are actually close to Amanda, have been very worried about Raffaele and what his book might contain.


Don't know if it's true or not but, apparently, Sollecito was hoping for more than just a friendship with Knox.

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Speaking on the eve of the US launch of his book, Honour Bound: My Journey To Hell And Back With Amanda Knox, the 28-year-old Italian said: “I believed our love would last and we would start a new life together in America. I felt crushed completely after she said that was never going to happen.”


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Michael wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Ergon wrote:
This excerpt from TJMK:

Quote:
“How did Meredith’s DNA end up on my knife when she’d never visited my house? I was feeling so panicky I imagined for a moment that I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola and accidentally jabbed Meredith in the hand. Something like that had in fact happened in the week before the murder. My hand slipped and the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt, I apologized, and that was that. But of course I wasn’t using my own knife at the time. There was no possible connection. As I worked through all that in my head, I was close to panic. My stomach was burning and I felt ready to leap out of my skin.”

Gumbel, Andrew; Sollecito, Raffaele (2012-09-18). Honor Bound (Kindle Locations 1342-1347). Simon & Schuster, Inc.. Kindle Edition.


His body language was full of media tutored false earnestness, and no honesty. The camera did a close up on two women in the audience. Could have sworn one of them was FBI agent Steve Moore's wife Michelle. She and her companion looked shocked. Definitely not happy campers.


I have re-read the knife statement here carefully. He is stating that he pricked Meredith with a knife at her cottage.
BUT IT WAS NOT HIS KNIFE. Essentially, he is explaining why he lied. But didn't actually lie. The DNA should not be on the knife at his aparement. Not HIS knife. But, according to him, a knife at the girls' cottage.
He is simply trying to explain why it sounded like a lie, but really wasn't. You know, more confusion.


No, his claim was that he pricked her at his apartment when she came over for dinner one time. Only, there was no such dinner and Meredith had never been to his apartment.


Michael, I think he is being deliberately ambiguous here. I read it that she had never been to his house. He imagined a situation where she had been pricked with a knife,because, believe it or not, the actual situation had happened the week before. I infer he means at Via della Pergola.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Michael wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Ergon wrote:
This excerpt from TJMK:

Quote:
“How did Meredith’s DNA end up on my knife when she’d never visited my house? I was feeling so panicky I imagined for a moment that I had used the knife to cook lunch at Via della Pergola and accidentally jabbed Meredith in the hand. Something like that had in fact happened in the week before the murder. My hand slipped and the knife I was using made contact with her skin for the briefest of moments. Meredith was not hurt, I apologized, and that was that. But of course I wasn’t using my own knife at the time. There was no possible connection. As I worked through all that in my head, I was close to panic. My stomach was burning and I felt ready to leap out of my skin.”

Gumbel, Andrew; Sollecito, Raffaele (2012-09-18). Honor Bound (Kindle Locations 1342-1347). Simon & Schuster, Inc.. Kindle Edition.


His body language was full of media tutored false earnestness, and no honesty. The camera did a close up on two women in the audience. Could have sworn one of them was FBI agent Steve Moore's wife Michelle. She and her companion looked shocked. Definitely not happy campers.


I have re-read the knife statement here carefully. He is stating that he pricked Meredith with a knife at her cottage.
BUT IT WAS NOT HIS KNIFE. Essentially, he is explaining why he lied. But didn't actually lie. The DNA should not be on the knife at his aparement. Not HIS knife. But, according to him, a knife at the girls' cottage.
He is simply trying to explain why it sounded like a lie, but really wasn't. You know, more confusion.


No, his claim was that he pricked her at his apartment when she came over for dinner one time. Only, there was no such dinner and Meredith had never been to his apartment.


Michael, I think he is being deliberately ambiguous here. I read it that she had never been to his house. He imagined a situation where she had been pricked with a knife,because, believe it or not, the actual situation had happened the week before. I infer he means at Via della Pergola.




No, we had several in depth discussions on the board about it several years ago and our Italian speakers assured us that it was quite clear from his use of grammar and context that he was referring to his apartment. The problem is that the nuance doesn't translate into English, a common problem with translations, so the translation reads like it is ambiguous. Read in the original Italian, there is no such ambiguity.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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The true reality is that those who are actually close to Amanda, have been very worried about Raffaele and what his book might contain.


Don't know if it's true or not but, apparently, Sollecito was hoping for more than just a friendship with Knox.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
Michael wrote:
The true reality is that those who are actually close to Amanda, have been very worried about Raffaele and what his book might contain.


Don't know if it's true or not but, apparently, Sollecito was hoping for more than just a friendship with Knox.

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Speaking on the eve of the US launch of his book, Honour Bound: My Journey To Hell And Back With Amanda Knox, the 28-year-old Italian said: “I believed our love would last and we would start a new life together in America. I felt crushed completely after she said that was never going to happen.”


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But then Raffaele also describes how he felt that after being 'wrongly' co-convicted it made no sense for him to get back together after the release and that it might be better to just live their lives and leave each other in peace.
Life surely can be complicated, but sometimes he is difficult to understand...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

https://plus.google.com/+AndersonCooper ... r360/posts
This show airs TONIGHT. Anderson is asking for questions and comments.
I'm trying to determine if he is appearing twice. Tonight and tomorrow morning.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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There's a word, schadenfreude, that applies very well to the Friends Of Amanda. Here they were, positively giddy that Raf's book would be amazing, that Katie Couric would really boost him, and we would be so angry that she'd be public enemy # 1 with us. (All noted on their website)

The reality as we now know, is the book's a dud, and it's they who are attacking Katie on her own website :)

Thanks to all those who wrote to her, especially Bedelia of. ORG who stood outside the studio handing out flyers about Meredith Kercher. It is because of our efforts that Katie did not let it be a promo for his book, but ask the questions, maybe not what I would have wished for, but her body language, spoke volumes.

And, to save the worst for last. Bruce Fischer, who NEVER fails to grab every opportunity to show his lack of decency, actually wrote on her site, that Meredith is remembered for the wrong reasons, and the world would have forgotten her by now otherwise.

What a total failure as a human being.



The true reality is that those who are actually close to Amanda, have been very worried about Raffaele and what his book might contain. They certainly did not share Bruce Fischer's followers naive belief that it would emerge as some sort of triumph for Amanda. This is why they were sucking up to Raffaele by entertaining him in Seattle in an attempt to keep him sweet. Some of their worst fears have now been realised, not least with his essentially contradicting his own lawyers spin from the trial and appeal by torpedoing Amanda's alibi (and his own along with it).



Also everything RS says about real questions of their behavior and previous statements only brings on more questions... instead of finally answering. It is almost like he didn't/doesn't really comprehend that part of the evidence... or wasn't paying attention to all the evidence against him. ih)

1 little door-break question would throw him for a loop. A follow up karate question would be nice.
1 little scratch-on-the-neck question would throw him for a loop.
1 little question about the time period around the police calls and topping off his phone the same.
1 question about the 'pricking' would absolutely floor him.
1 question about the lie of his father's call and the water leak would freak him out.
1 question about his mother might cause a flash of anger for everyone to see.
1 big question about his verified dna on Meredith's bra-clasp and how it got there :shock: .

I still can't believe he mentioned a nose-bleed... nw) . And now going on about keys and AK not being able to go out and get back in without a key. He might as well have said she only could have thrown a rock through the window and scaled his apartment wall. So now I guess he thinking AK would sneak OUT with NO KEY... expecting to sneak back in again. What an idiot.

I bet his dad is about to pass out. n-((
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Nose-bleed is interesting. Drug-alcohol cocktail is also something we have speculated about in the past. So this is how a few pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit into place. It is hard to read though. The freakin arrogance of the guy. The memory loss that made him not remember where Amanda was all night, but had she went out without a key he would have certainly remembered her ringing the doorbell. Rather selective memory loss there :roll: The DNA on the bra clasp, his bloody footprints, lies about phone calls and computer use, the knife print on the bed, his kitchen knife, not judging Rudy, and other things like never calling Amanda (indicating they were always together) give him away. Raf was not at home, AK was not in the kitchen, and Rudy was not in the bathroom (during the murder). That is why none of them directly accuse the other. All guilty as hell. JMO.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Raffaele's line seems to be 'Please don't focus on the evidence against me, focus instead on what a cute relationship I had with Amanda Knox and what a terrible time I had in prison and how the police were so mean to me by making me strip naked'.

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He is here. Poppa is home. Poppa hasn't read the book. Sollecito has thrown lawyers and family under the bus.
Will he go home to face the wrath of poppa? This book is a total surprise to him, even though he accompanied his son here in March? What is wrong with this picture? My BS-O-Meter has begun to rise.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

max wrote:
Nose-bleed is interesting. Drug-alcohol cocktail is also something we have speculated about in the past. So this is how a few pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit into place. It is hard to read though. The freakin arrogance of the guy. The memory loss that made him not remember where Amanda was all night, but had she went out without a key he would have certainly remembered her ringing the doorbell. Rather selective memory loss there :roll: The DNA on the bra clasp, his bloody footprints, lies about phone calls and computer use, the knife print on the bed, his kitchen knife, not judging Rudy, and other things like never calling Amanda (indicating they were always together) give him away. Raf was not at home, AK was not in the kitchen, and Rudy was not in the bathroom (during the murder). That is why none of them directly accuse the other. All guilty as hell. JMO.



It's not surprising that his lawyers would never allow him to be put on the stand, is it?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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He is here. Poppa is home. Poppa hasn't read the book. Sollecito has thrown lawyers and family under the bus.
Will he go home to face the wrath of poppa? This book is a total surprise to him, even though he accompanied his son here in March? What is wrong with this picture? My BS-O-Meter has begun to rise.


The problem, is that the book is in English and Poppa doesn't read English.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I'm watching Anderson360. He is reporting breaking news about the attack in Libya. I missed the beginning. I don't know if Sollecito got bumped.
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Michael wrote:
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He is here. Poppa is home. Poppa hasn't read the book. Sollecito has thrown lawyers and family under the bus.
Will he go home to face the wrath of poppa? This book is a total surprise to him, even though he accompanied his son here in March? What is wrong with this picture? My BS-O-Meter has begun to rise.


The problem, is that the book is in English and Poppa doesn't read English.


Do you honestly think that Raffaele pulled one over on the old man? From all that I have seen, Poppa is no fool as far as his son is concerned.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Importing this piece of news from .org with the link to the original post. Translation: Jools.

Besides being significant on its own, it directly contradicts what Sollecito wrote in his 'memoir'. There may be more trouble ahead for him.

"Most of the Italian media is today reporting the following statement by Mignini to Ansa News Agency."

Meredith case: Secret negotiations with the prosecutor? Mignini denies it and announces legal action.

The public prosecutor of Perugia, [Giuliano] Mignini, has denied the hypothesis of the “secret deal to frame Amanda” contained in Raffaele Sollecito’s book “Honor Bound” released in the United States of America.

Giuliano Mignini, Perugia’s pm, “categorically” denies any notion of a secret deal with some family members of Raffaele Sollecito in the process for the murder of the English student Meredith Kercher. This is the magistrate of Perugia response to what was written by the young man in the book “Honor Bound” published in the USA and reported today by La Stampa.

In the book written by Sollecito, together with the English journalist Andrew Gumble, it is said that during the procedure of First Instance on the murder of Meredith, there was an alleged secret negotiation that sees the public prosecutor Mignini convey, through intermediaries, to the family of Raffaele Sollecito, an offer of a more lenient punishment if the co-defendant [RS] had corroborated the accusation of the murder charge against Amanda Knox.

Finally Mignini, without going into the details of the case, in conclusion confirmed to Ansa that “I reserve the right to take all legal actions”.

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http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=120883#p120883



Thanks, Guermantes. He hasn't actually decided yet then, if he's going to take legal action or not.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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He is here. Poppa is home. Poppa hasn't read the book. Sollecito has thrown lawyers and family under the bus.
Will he go home to face the wrath of poppa? This book is a total surprise to him, even though he accompanied his son here in March? What is wrong with this picture? My BS-O-Meter has begun to rise.


The problem, is that the book is in English and Poppa doesn't read English.


Do you honestly think that Raffaele pulled one over on the old man? From all that I have seen, Poppa is no fool as far as his son is concerned.



Maybe not, but I really can't see him trawling through an English manuscript either. But more to the point, I would imagine that the contract by his publisher would require that Raffaele not have any interference by those close to him and that those close to him not even be able to preview the book. The publisher wants the scoop, they are paying for it...and they don't want anyone interfering with their getting it.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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I'm watching Anderson360. He is reporting breaking news about the attack in Libya. I missed the beginning. I don't know if Sollecito got bumped.

I am watching the same, but not sure if I keep it on CNN if Raf comes on. The guy gives me the creeps. Cooper Anderson will ask his usual 'what do you think?' and 'how do you feel?' questions. But let Raf talk I say. He is 'good' in that ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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I'm watching Anderson360. He is reporting breaking news about the attack in Libya. I missed the beginning. I don't know if Sollecito got bumped.


Hi Napia5, yes Sollecito is appearing twice on Anderson 360 and Anderson Live (tomorrow). I've just watched a short video clip posted on the AC360 website:

Tonight on AC360

Nothing new, really. Sollecito is repeating the same tired stuff, i.e. what he said yesterday on Katie Couric's show. Boring.

I thought the attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi, Lybia, was old news. I read about it in the morning in Huffington Post.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Hi, Guermantes. Color me confused. I'm tuned in to Anderson360. His advert says to tune in at 8 and 10 to see Sollecito.
i'm here. He's not.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Oops, he's up next.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Michael wrote:
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Michael wrote:
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He is here. Poppa is home. Poppa hasn't read the book. Sollecito has thrown lawyers and family under the bus.
Will he go home to face the wrath of poppa? This book is a total surprise to him, even though he accompanied his son here in March? What is wrong with this picture? My BS-O-Meter has begun to rise.


The problem, is that the book is in English and Poppa doesn't read English.


Do you honestly think that Raffaele pulled one over on the old man? From all that I have seen, Poppa is no fool as far as his son is concerned.



Maybe not, but I really can't see him trawling through an English manuscript either. But more to the point, I would imagine that the contract by his publisher would require that Raffaele not have any interference by those close to him and that those close to him not even be able to preview the book. The publisher wants the scoop, they are paying for it...and they don't want anyone interfering with their getting it.


Something is not right about this. Wasn't poppa in court daily with his computer, reviewing evidence, etc.
I don't see a controlling figure like this being totally in the dark about this book. I just don't see it. And I don't see a son who has been under the thumb of this control, breaking away in this manner. Something just plain smells bad about this.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Will Savive has written a book review: Sollecito’s New Book: “Knox May Have Left My Apartment”
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Anderson Cooper 360° ‏@AC360

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"They were so aggressive and so overwhelming" #AmandaKnox's ex-boyfriend is speaking out on the police interrogations. On #AC360 now.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Just watched the snippet from Anderson360. What a total crock of horseshit.
Sollecito talks about his interrogation, which lasted 8 hours, and he was exhausted, no sleep, so "You give them what they want."
According to him, the police were very aggressive, calling Amanda a whore, and telling him that she would be back in Seattle and he would be in jail for life. How does any reasonable person make this kind of connection?
How would she be back in Seattle? What is he trying to say that they were telling him? He had to talk, or Amanda would walk, but they still had HIM? With what?
I hope that someone has been able to record this.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
Just watched the snippet from Anderson360. What a total crock of horseshit.
Sollecito talks about his interrogation, which lasted 8 hours, and he was exhausted, no sleep, so "You give them what they want."
According to him, the police were very aggressive, calling Amanda a whore, and telling him that she would be back in Seattle and he would be in jail for life. How does any reasonable person make this kind of connection?
How would she be back in Seattle? What is he trying to say that they were telling him? He had to talk, or Amanda would walk, but they still had HIM? With what?
I hope that someone has been able to record this.

I saw a bit of it, but as expected I couldn't stomach it so I went to the next room. Seems like he loves to use the words 'slut' and 'whore' when it comes to Amanda, doesn't he? :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

max wrote:
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Just watched the snippet from Anderson360. What a total crock of horseshit.
Sollecito talks about his interrogation, which lasted 8 hours, and he was exhausted, no sleep, so "You give them what they want."
According to him, the police were very aggressive, calling Amanda a whore, and telling him that she would be back in Seattle and he would be in jail for life. How does any reasonable person make this kind of connection?
How would she be back in Seattle? What is he trying to say that they were telling him? He had to talk, or Amanda would walk, but they still had HIM? With what?
I hope that someone has been able to record this.

I saw a bit of it, but as expected I couldn't stomach it so I went to the next room. Seems like he loves to use the words 'slut' and 'whore' when it comes to Amanda, doesn't he? :mrgreen:


Well, max, I got the same headache from him that I get when I try to read JREF.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Not much of an interview; just insignificant small talk.

I think it's best to assume that his stories of 'police brutality' are embellishments at best and downright lies at worst. RS seems to remember more details as times goes by. Growing into his new role as a 'TV personality' I guess. Shifty eyes, contradictions, embellishments, inconsistencies in his stories - he has all the hallmarks of a liar.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

max wrote:
Anybody speak Italian?
http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/me ... a4503.html

Andrea Vogt does.
http://thefreelancedesk.com/?p=849

More damage control. This time by Francesco Sollecito.


Thanks for posting the link, max. Great article from Andrea Vogt.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:32 am   Post subject: NOTE TO EVERY BODY   

I recorded AC 360 and just finished watching it. Really seems like an truncated interview, possibly because of the breaking news about ambassador Stevens death in Benghazi.

It is possible that the full interview will be shown tomorrow the 20th on Anderson Live , whatever time it shows in your area.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

You can watch an abridged version of the Anderson Cooper interview on TJMK.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Thanks, guermantes, I watched the whole show and Raf's segment was only 10 minutes. Is TJMK's version shorter?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
Thanks, guermantes, I watched the whole show and Raf's segment was only 10 minutes. Is TJMK's version shorter?


Yes, it's 5 min 30 sec
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Papa Sollecito still has some legal problems of his own about this case. Doesn't he? The last thing he needs is for Raff to add on with this book.

Obviously, Mignini has read the book. I really thought he would. Next comes Amanda's book. There will be some serious scrutiny of the separate accounts.

My heart goes out to the Kerchers while they are subjected to this. It'll happen again when Amanda's book is released.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
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AmandaKnox ex tells @andersoncooper he is still in touch w Knox - tho she is dating someone - & they Skyped last night @AC360
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https://twitter.com/ac360


So Amanda is doing damage control as well? Somehow I thought so, considering how he talked about her on Katie Couric's show the other day. Still under the influence...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

The transcript of the Raffaele Sollecito AC360 interview has been made available on the 'CNN transcripts' website: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1209/cd.01.html

COOPER: Welcome back. In "Crime and Punishment" tonight, Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend and co-defendant in a murder trial is talking for the first time about the case that made headlines around the world. Knox, of course, is the American student who was convicted in the stabbing death of her roommate in Italy in 2009. Rafael who had just started dating Amanda Knox was also convicted of the murder. His time in prison included six months in solitary confinement.

Both he and Knox were set free on appeal last year. Well, now Raffaele Sollecito is out with a new memoire that deals with the day that Meredith Kircher (sic) was found dead and with his time in prison and his relationship with Amanda Knox.

The book is called "Honor Bound, My Journey To Hell And Back With Amanda Knox." I spoke to him earlier.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: When you were first called into the police, you and Amanda, you went in without an attorney. Everybody else who was called in brought an attorney. Did you not realize that you might be a suspect?

RAFFAELE SOLLECITO, AUTHOR, "HONOR BOUND": No, no one told us that we were suspected. At that time, we were completely -- so, we didn't know anything. I realized it too late.

I was just in the last questioning, and after two hours and three days, they were so aggressive and so overwhelming of me, I started to realize something was totally bad and wrong. But it was too late.

COOPER: One of the things when Amanda was questioned by police she ended up saying things, which kind of implicated her and implicated you. I mean, it sound as if maybe she had been there when Meredith Kurcher (sic) was killed. Explain to somebody who hasn't been through an interrogation how that can happen.

SOLLECITO: There are ten investigators who are aggressive and they push you saying you are a liar. You were just to me, saying you are stupid and you are covering for her. She will be back and you will never see her again. You fell in love, with a whore and they were aggressive.

And this is a detail, but it lasted almost ten hours in this way. After you are exhausted and you don't sleep, they threaten you saying you will -- you will be in jail for the rest of your life, you will never see your parents again and you give them whatever they want.

COOPER: When you were found guilty, I mean, did you really think this is it? Was there a moment where you kind of thought the appeals aren't going to work, I'm going to spend the rest of my life in jail?

SOLLECITO: No, I was almost hopeless but, I would never say that nothing would work. I also had the hope just I just told the truth after me. And say I have nothing. I have lost everything. The truth is more important than my life now because in any way my life is not worth of living without the truth.

COOPER: And that is why you wanted to write this book. Because Meredith Kircher's (sic) family was against the idea of the book being written, but for you why was it important for you to tell your story?

SOLLECITO: All the people understand follow the case to make people realize and understand the truth.

COOPER: We have a digital dashboard question from one of our viewers on Facebook. They wanted to know how much contact you had with Amanda's roommate, with Meredith Kircher (sic)? Did you know her well? Did you see her much?

SOLLECITO: Well, not so much because we just dated for eight days or nine days.

COOPER: I think that is one of the things a lot of people were surprised about. They kind of assumed you guys had been together for a long time and it was great love affair. You had only been together for eight or nine days with Amanda.

SOLLECITO: Yes, it sounds crazy but it is.

COOPER: You are still in touch with Amanda Knox?

SOLLECITO: Yes. We Skyped yesterday actually.

COOPER: You Skyped yesterday. What is that connection? What is that conversation like? I mean, you have been through something that nobody really else can imagine.

SOLLECITO: Our conversation we talk about family, relationship with friends. About movies, books, music, CD's anything. I mean, friends like we are good friends. We are now almost -- yes, we are almost a brother and sister. We have passed through a lot together.

COOPER: She is seeing somebody else you are not involved romantically.

SOLLECITO: No, she has a boyfriend now. I'm moving on with my life separately.

COOPER: Prosecutors in Italy have said that they want to continue forward with the case though. That they want to try to overturn the verdict, are you concerned about that?

SOLLECITO: I will defend myself until the end.

COOPER: Raffaele, I appreciate it. Thank you.

SOLLECITO: Thank you so much.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: The book again is called, "Honor Bound". Prince William and his wife, Kate Middleton, today wrapped up their nine-day South East Asia tour as word broke that yet another magazine has published topless photos of the Duchess of Cambridge sunbathing in a private villa. We've got new development ahead.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ava wrote:
guermantes wrote:
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AmandaKnox ex tells @andersoncooper he is still in touch w Knox - tho she is dating someone - & they Skyped last night @AC360
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https://twitter.com/ac360


So Amanda is doing damage control as well? Somehow I thought so, considering how he talked about her on Katie Couric's show the other day. Still under the influence...


Funny, but I think he's trying to say to Amanda how much better he looks in orange trousers than what's his name the boy friend. His ego took quite a blow, and his new 'girl friend' the volley ball player is gone (she was really attractive, and I for one don't get AK as a Maxim hottie, just saying)

It must really gall to be only a prop to your murderous ex-girl friend in the US. What do the headlines say? "Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend speaks" and if his drug use left any brain cells, he'd know that.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Re: Papa Sollecito, how many times has his son landed him in the soup? He's in CYA mode, since his own trial is in on hold till after the SC hearing.

But yes, I did say after the DEFCON photos that it was clear Frank and Raffaele were making a case to stay in the US because of fear of 'persecution'.

I also believe that "Frank Sfarzo" made his trip to Canada to suss out whether he might like living there. Too bad for him that immigration here is a lot harder now, and his felonious nature caught the eye of the authorities, just saying :)

Even his supporters have figured out he's living in the Seattle area. Good move. It's still a lot easier for people to live here, and with a little help from WA senators and judges, he should have no problem.

Notice how when Amanda arrived back in the US lawyer Ted Simon was on hand to meet her? He's still in the picture; his specialty is protecting criminals from extradition:)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

A 2 min video clip of Sollecito in conversation with Cooper on Anderson Live:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

(Nina Burleigh sits in the audience.)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
A 2 min video clip of Sollecito in conversation with Cooper on Anderson Live:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/


I wonder who wrote these fluffy questions based on falsehoods:

1. We’re going to find out what happened the day Meredith’s body was found…When you were first called into the police, you went without an attorney. Everyone else brought an attorney. Didn’t you realize you were a suspect?
2. Explain how a false confession can happen.
3. Was there a moment you thought the appeals weren’t going to work, I’m going to spend the rest of my life in jail?
Response: Blah blah blah…My life is not worth living without the truth.
4. And that’s why you wanted to write this book? Meredith’s family was against it, but for you, why was it so important to tell your story?
5. __from digital dashboard: How much contact did you have with Meredith?
6. That’s surprising that you’d only been together 8 or 9 days.
7. You’re still in touch with Amanda Knox?
8. What is that connection like?
9. She’s seeing someone else, you’re not involved romantically?
10. Prosecutors in Italy have said they want to continue with the case, that they want to overturn the verdict. Are you concerned about that?

This was on his mind before yesterday’s show with Sollecito:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17378805

He might have entertained a frivolous non-serious inquiry such as: Was Raffaele’s trick cat in on the vast Perugian conspiracy? Had the feline performed the mobile phone trick on previous occasions?

Thinking ahead, does anyone know the frequency of this webcast? Is it weekly or just random?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Raffaele Sollecito Talks to Anderson

A new, 6 minute video clip has just been added to the Video Gallery at:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

Watch it while it's still up!

I agree with Napia5; listening to Raffaele gives me a headache too. He looks better when he doesn't talk. He says something stupid every time he opens his mouth.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
Raffaele Sollecito Talks to Anderson

A new, 6 minute video clip has just been added to the Video Gallery at:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

Watch it while it's still up!

I agree with Napia5; listening to Raffaele gives me a headache too. He looks better when he doesn't talk. He says something stupid every time he opens his mouth.


So, that's from the Anderson Live program that will air today, I take it...

Oh look, that's Nina Burleigh they have planted in the audience to claim "all the other roommates" lawyered up before they went to the police station on Nov 2. But Cooper appears to hear “all the other witnesses”, eighty or more, lawyered up, and” honor bound” Sollecito is not about to correct him.

He and Amanda Skype, he says, and: "We started to laugh because all the people in the world are talking about us."

I'll bet they laugh the hardest at the groupies.

The more he speaks, the more he proves what a liar and narcissist he is.
Really, the whole "honor bound" theme was developed late...his book was originally titled "presumed guilty" but was changed last minute because Casey Anthony's lawyer also used that title.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
Raffaele Sollecito Talks to Anderson

A new, 6 minute video clip has just been added to the Video Gallery at:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

Watch it while it's still up!

I agree with Napia5; listening to Raffaele gives me a headache too. He looks better when he doesn't talk. He says something stupid every time he opens his mouth.


I think they've already taken it down? (or is it me?)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ava wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Raffaele Sollecito Talks to Anderson

A new, 6 minute video clip has just been added to the Video Gallery at:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

Watch it while it's still up!

I agree with Napia5; listening to Raffaele gives me a headache too. He looks better when he doesn't talk. He says something stupid every time he opens his mouth.


I think they've already taken it down? (or is it me?)


It's still up Ava, on the right side there are two videos from the show.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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So, that's from the Anderson Live program that will air today, I take it...

Oh look, that's Nina Burleigh they have planted in the audience to claim "all the other roommates" lawyered up before they went to the police station on Nov 2. But Cooper appears to hear “all the other witnesses”, eighty or more, lawyered up, and” honor bound” Sollecito is not about to correct him.

He and Amanda Skype, he says, and: "We started to laugh because all the people in the world are talking about us."

I'll bet they laugh the hardest at the groupies.

The more he speaks, the more he proves what a liar and narcissist he is.
Really, the whole "honor bound" theme was developed late...his book was originally titled "presumed guilty" but was changed last minute because Casey Anthony's lawyer also used that title.


Omg, that sounds awful, and you can't even blame it on his English. Obviously they're unaware of what people are saying about them, here for example.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

The good news is: he will fade back into obscurity once his promotional book tour is over. His face will disappear from TV screens.

"He's movin' on, he'll soon be gone..." :)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

louiehaha wrote:
Ava wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Raffaele Sollecito Talks to Anderson

A new, 6 minute video clip has just been added to the Video Gallery at:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/videos/

Watch it while it's still up!

I agree with Napia5; listening to Raffaele gives me a headache too. He looks better when he doesn't talk. He says something stupid every time he opens his mouth.


I think they've already taken it down? (or is it me?)


It's still up Ava, on the right side there are two videos from the show.


Thanks, but it keeps saying "clip not found". Anyway, I can't deal with it now, looks like I don't miss anything...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I have a question which I hope someone here can answer. Groupies are claiming that the RS DNA on the clasp is now not his and it matches to a % of the Italian population. I thought it was pretty conclusive. Why are they making this claim and is it possible that the DNA is not his - I recall reading it was pretty damning and it was accepted as his at his trial. They are also stating that there are 6 - 19 other profiles on the clasp [dependant on who you speak to].

Ta - Sparkles..
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Hi Sparkles,

Knox and Sollecito's chum(p)s always say things like that, they just repeat he same lines over and over again, trying to make them stick, it's a Nazi technique, as used in the Second World War, by Hitler's minister of propaganda, many of them can now be seen at the local disco for the Ku Klux Clan, my they have a strange taste in hat wear.

None of what any of those in support of Knox or Sollecito say is true, most cannot stand up as their pinocchio noses make them topple over, much like Sollecito will do, playing with fire as he continues to do, instructions for use: light blue touchpaper then stand well back.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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The good news is: he will fade back into obscurity once his promotional book tour is over. His face will disappear from TV screens.

"He's movin' on, he'll soon be gone..." :)


Only he has created a big pile of steaming doo-doo that he will have to fling himself into... in Italy. Papa isn't going to be happy, not to mention the police and people of Italy.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Lou you ought to post a warning with that crap called Sollecito.

Been avoiding looking at it or him as much as possible and have been amazed at how courageous others are in being able to stomach the eyes of that shithouse rat.

Haven't been tempted to watch him in motion with his gob saying words, to me he is as a dead person and that is the way he is going to stay.

Yes, come on, all we want is the truth


No short-sighted, mean mother Hubbard gonna soft soap me with a pocket full of soap


Had enough of hearing thing from uptight shortsighted hypocrites

just give me the truth

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Open lettera from dad to son

Date: now
Ref: This trouble you caused number 2007, Nov 1
Name: Daddy
Address: Bari



Son my dear,

Your sister would like to thank you for your expression of gratitude towards us both for all we did for you. It was very pleasant to look like a complete laughing stock, I expect your sister losing her job, me a lot of my money and my name besides was not enough, I wish you could make my money flow back downhill into my pocket.
I think back to the days when I was nothing more than a doctor and think about the present where I look more like someone standing for election as local mob boss.

Anyhow, you just have yourself a lovely little time, think I'll lay off the TV shows, as I'm beginning to look like a liar too, people did suspect as much but I think they are now pretty certain after your kind revelations and accusations, thanks.

Dad

PS: Did you ever hear the one about biting the hand that feeds? Reminds me a lot of you son.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

zorba wrote:
Lou you ought to post a warning with that crap called Sollecito.

Been avoiding looking at it or him as much as possible and have been amazed at how courageous others are in being able to stomach the eyes of that shithouse rat.

Haven't been tempted to watch him in motion with his gob saying words, to me he is as a dead person and that is the way he is going to stay.

Yes, come on, all we want is the truth


No short-sighted, mean mother Hubbard gonna soft soap me with a pocket full of soap


Had enough of hearing thing from uptight shortsighted hypocrites

just give me the truth


Sorry Zorba. Looks like there is more to come.

sharlene martin ‏@sharlenemartin tweets:
Watch raffaelle on the insider tonight on CBS


I've never watched this show but it sounds frivolous, maybe they are getting desperate?
http://www.cbstvd.com/shows.aspx?showID=12

Sales of Sollecito’s book on amazon.com has only reached 72 books – nearly full saturation of the cult of puppeteers making all the noise.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

zorba wrote:
Open lettera from dad to son

Date: now
Ref: This trouble you caused number 2007, Nov 1
Name: Daddy
Address: Bari



Son my dear,

Your sister would like to thank you for your expression of gratitude towards us both for all we did for you. It was very pleasant to look like a complete laughing stock, I expect your sister losing her job, me a lot of my money and my name besides was not enough, I wish you could make my money flow back downhill into my pocket.
I think back to the days when I was nothing more than a doctor and think about the present where I look more like someone standing for election as local mob boss.

Anyhow, you just have yourself a lovely little time, think I'll lay off the TV shows, as I'm beginning to look like a liar too, people did suspect as much but I think they are now pretty certain after your kind revelations and accusations, thanks.

Dad

PS: Did you ever hear the one about biting the hand that feeds? Reminds me a lot of you son.


Awesome zorba tt-) . He might not write it... but he sure is thinking it. n-((
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

'make my money flow back downhill into my pocket' :) :)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Sparkles wrote:
I have a question which I hope someone here can answer. Groupies are claiming that the RS DNA on the clasp is now not his and it matches to a % of the Italian population. I thought it was pretty conclusive. Why are they making this claim and is it possible that the DNA is not his - I recall reading it was pretty damning and it was accepted as his at his trial. They are also stating that there are 6 - 19 other profiles on the clasp [dependant on who you speak to].

Ta - Sparkles..


The other 'profiles' are junk DNA and artefacts, Sparkles. Only Raffaele's complete DNA profile can be found on the bra clasp. I'll give a more complete answer later, but professor Chris Halkides argues the artefacts are indicative of contamination. Which, while technically true, does not explain the bra clasp.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Plus the mighty C & V admitted it was there.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

TJMK is down. Seems to be a problem that occurs sometimes between the web program and the ISP. I'm sure it will clear up soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

louiehaha wrote:
zorba wrote:
Lou you ought to post a warning with that crap called Sollecito.

Been avoiding looking at it or him as much as possible and have been amazed at how courageous others are in being able to stomach the eyes of that shithouse rat.

Haven't been tempted to watch him in motion with his gob saying words, to me he is as a dead person and that is the way he is going to stay.

Yes, come on, all we want is the truth


No short-sighted, mean mother Hubbard gonna soft soap me with a pocket full of soap


Had enough of hearing thing from uptight shortsighted hypocrites

just give me the truth


Sorry Zorba. Looks like there is more to come.

sharlene martin ‏@sharlenemartin tweets:
Watch raffaelle on the insider tonight on CBS


I've never watched this show but it sounds frivolous, maybe they are getting desperate?
http://www.cbstvd.com/shows.aspx?showID=12

Sales of Sollecito’s book on amazon.com has only reached 72 books – nearly full saturation of the cult of puppeteers making all the noise.



Can you imagine them, setting up their own awards, and taking it really seriously, book awards, I'm pretty sure Dempsey already did things like this, then the winner, having sold 76 books, thanking mom, and the this that and the other.

These publishers sure like gambling; what in the world were they thinking? Maybe what they thought was that the whole world was nutty enough to swallow all of this crap and buy trillions of crap books too, I know if I paid out a whack and the writer sold 80 I'd feel a bit of an idiot.

At what point did these publishers imagine that the human race was totally rotten and stupid?

When would anyone in their right mind tuck up in bed with Sollecito's nonsense, and go to sleep, sleep I say, with that macabre fick-wit's stuff running around in your brain?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Awesome zorba tt-) . He might not write it... but he sure is thinking it. n-((




I can imagine dad, at a certain point, breaking, and not feeling all of this love for his son, when he too realises that he is a maniac.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
Sparkles wrote:
I have a question which I hope someone here can answer. Groupies are claiming that the RS DNA on the clasp is now not his and it matches to a % of the Italian population. I thought it was pretty conclusive. Why are they making this claim and is it possible that the DNA is not his - I recall reading it was pretty damning and it was accepted as his at his trial. They are also stating that there are 6 - 19 other profiles on the clasp [dependant on who you speak to].

Ta - Sparkles..


The other 'profiles' are junk DNA and artefacts, Sparkles. Only Raffaele's complete DNA profile can be found on the bra clasp. I'll give a more complete answer later, but professor Chris Halkides argues the artefacts are indicative of contamination. Which, while technically true, does not explain the bra clasp.


Thank you Ergon - I would appreciate that :)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Warning: If you are reading this Zorba, this warning is for you. Every word of Sollecito that you listen to in these useless interviews is another second off your life. :)

Both videos from this morning have been posted to the official YouTube account of Anderson Live (watch at your own risk):

Raffaele Sollecito Talks to Anderson

Hidden Content: show


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aq3fCk71sk

Click on Playlist to watch second video Does Raffaele Keep in Touch with Amanda?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
TJMK is down. Seems to be a problem that occurs sometimes between the web program and the ISP. I'm sure it will clear up soon.


TJMK is online again.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Napia5 wrote:
http://www.oggi.it/focus/cronaca/2012/09/18/raffaele-sollecito-volevano-che-mentissi-per-incastrare-amanda/

WARNING! Picture ahead.


I read the translation of this piece by Jools on org; what i hadn't realized though is that Frank Sfoarza is claiming authorship of this article (on his FB).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

guermantes wrote:
Warning: If you are reading this Zorba, this warning is for you. Every word of Sollecito that you listen to in these useless interviews is another second off your life. :)

Both videos from this morning have been posted to the official YouTube account of Anderson Live (watch at your own risk):

Raffaele Sollecito Talks to Anderson

Hidden Content: show


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aq3fCk71sk

Click on Playlist to watch second video Does Raffaele Keep in Touch with Amanda?




“As a reporter, to me the case was just an example of the importance of checking facts, being responsible.”
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Oh Anderson, what fact checking did you do on the fluff questions spoon-fed to you by Sollecito's handlers?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Waiting for the trash MSM indulgement of the murderer Raffaele Sollecito to fade away. Then we can get down to business again.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

zorba wrote:
Hi Sparkles,

Knox and Sollecito's chum(p)s always say things like that, they just repeat he same lines over and over again, trying to make them stick, it's a Nazi technique, as used in the Second World War, by Hitler's minister of propaganda, many of them can now be seen at the local disco for the Ku Klux Clan, my they have a strange taste in hat wear.

None of what any of those in support of Knox or Sollecito say is true, most cannot stand up as their pinocchio noses make them topple over, much like Sollecito will do, playing with fire as he continues to do, instructions for use: light blue touchpaper then stand well back.



The was responded to by brmull @ org.

brmull wrote:

Sparkles wrote:I have a question which I hope someone here can answer. Groupies are claiming that the RS DNA on the clasp is now not his and it matches to a % of the Italian population. I thought it was pretty conclusive. Why are they making this claim and is it possible that the DNA is not his - I recall reading it was pretty damning and it was accepted as his at his trial. They are also stating that there are 6 - 19 other profiles on the clasp [dependant on who you speak to].

Ta - Sparkles..



Vecchiotti conceded in court that Sollecito's Y chromosome was on the clasp, although C-V beat around the bush in their report, and Hellmann ruled (against his own experts) that it could not be concluded to be Sollecito's profile.

Let me give some background. Sollecito is a perfect autosomal match for the DNA found on the clasp. Ordinarily the autosomal profile alone is adequate to make a unique match. However because there is a such an overabundance of Meredith's DNA, some artifacts of her DNA are generated (e.g. stutter) which come close in height to the peaks which match Sollecito. In addition there *may* be fragments of DNA from other individuals on the clasp (most likely from the floor). These extra peaks allow C-V and others to argue that, theoretically, other people could be a match for the profile besides Sollecito. Depending on what is considered real and what is considered artifact, the number possible additional permutations varies widely. I don't know where the number 6-19 comes from. Vecchiotti suggested (wrongly) that the number is infinite. I'd be most comfortable between 0-2.

The fact that we have a Y chromosome profile is very helpful, because Meredith's DNA is taken out of the equation along with any other female contaminants. The result is a profile that is much clearer. Sollecito's DNA profile is vastly more abundant than any other male DNA on the clasp. This disparity in peak heights makes additional permutations essentially impossible. So even though there is also some unidentified male DNA (versus artifact) on the Y profile, it is low copy number and we can forget about it.

The problem with Y chromosome DNA is that close male relatives usually share the same profile. Since the mom has no Y chrosome there is no reassortment of the Y chromosome during fertilization. It only changes through chance mutations during spermatogenesis.

The mutation rate for the Y-STR panel used in this case is around 4 to 4.5% per generation. (This is actually a difficult calculation with many variables, andeven experts in the field don't agree). It sounds small but it's cumulative for each spermatogenesis. Furthermore as soon as a particular male lineage dies out (because of no sons) that's the end of that line. If you go back several generations the likelihood of a marriage bearing no reproducing sons is significant.

Because surnames are passed in a similar way, the Gens-Italia surname database povides a useful (though obviously imperfect) proxy for the number of people who have the same Y-STR profile as Raffa. You can see that most of these people are in Bari, with a smattering elsewhere.

http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo- ... =sollecito

What are the chances that any of those people (except Sollecito) was involved in the murder? And when you consider that Raffa's autosomal profile is also found on the bra, you get pretty close to a statistically unique match.

I hope this is somewhat clear. As Andrea Vogt tweeted yesterday, there is a book called "Maths on Trial" coming out next year by two mathematicians which will discuss the probability issues in this case. Should be an interesting read.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Transcript: Raffaele Sollecito - Katie Couric Interview

http://equinox-ecliptic.blogspot.ca/2012/09/transcript-raffaele-sollecito-katie.html

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/2012CouricInterviewsSollecito.pdf
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   


Thanks. Such a strange man.

Quote:
Sollecito: No, no it was kind of a water ah, um, stain but if it was not so clear that it was blood.
Raf about the blood on the bathmat. It was blood dumbo but I bet that night you did think it was just water. Didn't you?

Quote:
Sollecito: Ah, Well, I'm ah, I don't want to judge, Eh, uh, I, ah, I, ess, For what I experienced, em, for me, um the enjailment is no reason at all. So, um, it's not the amount of years that you spend in prison that can relieve, er, uh kind of, er, umm, umm, [audible gulp], kind of pain like that.
Raf about Rudy. The man that assaulted and murdered Meredith. The man that 'falsely' accused him. I think this is going to be a classic. With all the eh and umm. What is he even saying?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Raff sure does take a lot of detail to explain away evidence stated by the court that it was not evidence.

I wonder how much rewriting Amanda is doing since this book was released.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ah, I see, so the reason he didn't clean the mat was because he might have indeed been the one taking care of the cleaning there, and what with his bad eyes, if he did see it, he didn't see it as blood but as a kind of watery dirt.

Thanks Sollecito for explaining why you didn't clean up the bloodied mat or remove it.

Just goes to show what a great job he's doing at providing the missing links.

There were clearly visible long streaks of blood near the light switch in the bathroom.
Now he's saying it was he that put 2 + 2 together, the odd things/peculiarities, but, it was Knox before, who had returned to his home and told him about the odd things in her house.

Tell us more then Mr Sollecito, you are tying yourself in knots, this is great.

Dad: Son, next time you do the murder(s) get some decent glasses will ya

Son: But I ate so many carrots, how could I know, next time, I'll just send a maid to clean up

Dad: Get a god-damned job son, you are starting to get on my nerve(s) (nerve singular as he does have a nerve too), maid, you lunatic!


Note: I'm being very kind to dad, after all, he was a man of substantial years, highly trained, a supposedly upstanding citizen, however, he and his daughter passed on the highly confidential crime scene video and they KNEW that was against the law.

Note: Work it out for yourself, exactly what conclusions must be drawn about this Cat Stevensesque father & son type of relationship.



Couric: the basin, but also on the carpet. There was some on the carpet as well right?
Sollecito: No, no it was kind of a water ah, um, stain but if it was not so clear that it was blood

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Hi Lou,

Well, Mull did a fine job of explaining all that, personally, I wouldn't even bother trying if I could on this subject matter.

Hey, this what Sollecito said about the murder chief Napoleoni (think that was the spelling), her eyes looking into them.

I knew it, and you can see her SEEING them, that always struck me, it was as clear as a morning bell, and as he looked, into them, they looked into space because their eyes were too scared to meet her's, and the more they did this (eye contact avoidance) the more alarm bells were set off in the highly experienced murder chief's head.

What Knox's lot tried to do with her, and the best they could do or managed to do, was to try to bring her significance, SIG NIF IC ANCE, as head of mur derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, down to some kind of Britney Spears level, like as though a had of a murder quad wiould be some kind of air head (this is what they tried to imply by going on about her clothing, as though she could be compared to Knox) talking about her clothing, however, silly silly, it was not her on trial for murder, and it was not her who was doing very strange things, like Knox, walking into court with that truly disgustingly out of place T-shirt in big blood red letters saying All You Need is Love

All of the above notwithstanding, if Napoleoni was head of the murder squad and let's just be clear on this and sorry Mr Sollecito that it disturbed you and you once again think it fit that you do your usual exercise in acerbity (the guy has a problem with everyone, he the mighty entitled, even dad isn't spared) then she was nothing like Knox at all, and to try to compare the head of the murder squad with Knox is so insane, I cannot even begin to work these nuts out. They must think that a wiman like that gets to be hwad of the murder squad because she is lucky, the fact that she must be pretty intelligent didn't strike them, also, she was obviously used to dealing with very messed up people as any murder chief would be, that fact was missed out by Knox's lot too.
That's why Napoleoni wouldn't have been diverted easily, in fact their attempts to change the subjectt must have had Napoleoni's eye popping out of her head as she realised, or had it dawn on her, that the killers were right there.

How cruel could ANYONE in their right mind be, to do this (walk into court in a T-shirt like that - making a mockery of everyone & everything), within the context of a horrific murder, to insult everyone's intelligence, by making this statement, it might as well have read SHIT HAPPENS GET OVER IT.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Hi all
Hope everyone is well. Just adding to the conversation a few days ago about newspaper articles in the UK talking about Knife Boy’s book release. I have attached the Evening Standard article (free newspaper given to commuters in London) of 12 Sept which has basically lifted content from the Sun et al with all the same inaccuracies etc. However this paragraph was at the end of the Standard article

“Prosecutors have appealed against the pair’s acquittal and Italy’s highest court will hear their arguments in March. The Kercher family declined to comment today, saying: “There’s no point”.”

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/so ... 30046.html

All the more satisfying to see the Sollecito cretin tying himself in bigger and bigger knots – I feel a change happening and feel more positive about things than I have done for a long time.

And a message to the FOA – there are those of us on PMF/TJMK who don’t post very often but I can assure you we are always here and we are watching and waiting for justice…..

RIP Meredith
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Does Mignini have the opportunity to physically argue a case to the next court or will they only review the transcripts of preceding case? These books will be a goldmine for the prosecutor.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Hi Lovers,

Anyone other than us British people ever heard of Hardtalk, the BBC TV programme, well, let's please club together to arrange an interview for Sollecito on that

And let's then have the interview technique Muay Thai full combat as opposed to ticklingly sweet Sunday afternoon with cupcakes pussyfooting about the ring with protective helmets style, though I was pleasantly surprised to read that the referred to woman, hereabove Clouric, did try to get him to answer things he would in all probability like not to have mentioned, ever again.

No (he says, already getting uptight enough as to start forcing the issue and wind up showing how uptight he is able to get thus giving his little game away) no, it was dirty water


Dirty water!!!???

Come on son, you know dirty water is aqua sporco and okay, it is what may be served as coffee outside Italy, in some CAFFS, but, it ain't what that clearly visible footprint on that bathroom mat was now was it, except, problem was, you have poor eyes and even with glasses on, missed it, because you either have problems with short-sightedness or long-sightedness or both but anyhow chump, ya definitely simply missed that footprint and had you known it was there then you would never have left the mat there, or you would have washed it, however, had you thought it contained your own blood, you'd have washed it and then disposed of it as soon as you could, just to be sure and thorough.

Nope Mr Sorry Ass Sollecito, you are a f disguting little wimp of a woman killing male who is going to end up revealing more than any DNA could have.

Thank you very much, I have always known that truth comes out in the end somehow, at least... it does when people are hiding it but think they are miracle workers and keep on talking.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Emerald wrote:
Does Mignini have the opportunity to physically argue a case to the next court or will they only review the transcripts of preceding case?

These books will be a goldmine for the prosecutor.


I reckon it's out of his hands.

They the Supreme Court, will be deliberating on the matter pertaining to the Incorrect Implementation of Law(s), and in relation to that, witnesses, relevant to any issue they the Supreme Court deliberate upon, those persons/teams that might provide clarification productive to their (the Supreme Court's) accurate understanding of the facts/truth, can be called upon to provide facts and details.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Warning: If you are reading this Zorba, this warning is for you. Every word of Sollecito that you listen to in these useless interviews is another second off your life. :)

Both videos from this morning have been posted to the official YouTube account of Anderson Live (watch at your own risk):

Raffaele Sollecito Talks to Anderson

Hidden Content: show


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aq3fCk71sk

Click on Playlist to watch second video Does Raffaele Keep in Touch with Amanda?



Thanks Guer, thanks for the warning
I didn't watch it,
I prefer still pictures of him.

Let the dead bury their dead

???

If a person does not live according to the ways of real love, then it can be said, in a way, that such people, any of us, like that, do not really live, so then, we are not the life, or the way, but love IS the way, and it is LIFE, the life is LOVE, so those who are dead that way, busy burying their dead, cannot be helped until they become conscious, conscious as a result of their own acts/choices and thoughts.

If you can grasp the philosophy, the meaning behind parables, then you can easily see that those who fall so far in this world, through acts such as murder, can in no way belong to the group of the living, therefore, Sollecito is dead, he looks alive, and so does Knox, but both are dead.

As I do not wish to spoil the idea of that, I prefer to see him in his static, stagnant state, a river that stopped flowing; when you commit murder you cannot get further away from love.

Meredith belongs to the group of life, she had nothing in non-loving so in her love, and her abilities as a human being, she lived, loved and lives on, however, Knox and Sollecito died, as they are not in the house of love, and will no be no matter how many fake arsed TV shows they get on, and or no matter how many empty books they write.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:12 pm   Post subject: CNN'S SOLLECITO FOLLIES   

When Raffaele Sollecito's original appearance listings appeared on the Simon and Schuster website in August then disappeared, some thought the CNN interview had been cancelled. But I decided to write to them anyway:

September 03, 2012
Hi, ...

I spoke to you earlier today about an upcoming guest on AC 360, Raffaele Sollecito, who was accused with Amanda Knox of murdering UK student Meredith Kercher in Perugia, Italy, 2007. He's written a book about his trial even though he hasn't been fully acquitted under Italian law. He might even be ordered to appear for a retrial.

I'm an administrator of the investigation website www.perugiamurderfile.net which has had extensive cooperation from Italian lawyers and police officials, with input from DNA specialists, psychologists, and legal specialists around the world. We were also responsible for translating thousands of pages of Italian legal documents which show in our opinion the culpability of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito in the murder. Yet sadly, American media has only reported the viewpoint of the Knox and Sollecito legal teams and families, and it is our concern that their books are PR exercises designed to influence public opinion in their favor before the Italian Supreme Court has had a chance to rule on their guilt or innocence.

I've attached a letter listing our concerns to this e-mail. Please pass it on to Anderson's producer, and I look forward to hearing from them.

Sincerely,

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I had wondered if Sollecito was going to need a translator for the interviews from what I'd read about his English skill level. Jackie has taken this up on org. He asked: is it true that the cook tried to explain Knox's apparent confusion about Meredith's door locking habits by blaming deficiencies in Sollectio's ability to translate?

With respect to Meredith's door she says: "Before they destroyed property, they needed to know: did Meredith usually lock her door or not? The two roommates, Amanda and Filomena, couldn’t agree. Actually, they couldn’t even understand each other. Filomena spoke to the police in rapid Italian. Amanda struggled to explain, in her bad Italian, that sometimes Meredith locked the door. “Amanda said Meredith always kept her door locked but Filomena said the exact opposite,” Luca would tell police, without addressing the language difficulties. (p.64) There is no mention of Sollecito serving as interpreter.

Candace Dempsey really does make quite the fuss about the language barrier between Knox and Sollecito in other parts of her book though. She quotes Edda’s sister, Christina Hagge, as saying “They were literally at the phase where you would point to a chair and say ‘chair’ in another language so you could pick up that word.” (p. 34)

"His English wasn’t very good, Robyn remembered. He was trying to tell them about the door being broken down, and they had to help him find the word for “kicked.” (p.82)

She tells that at the Questura on November 2, witnesses were separated into two groups: those who spoke Italian, and those who spoke English. Raffaele and Amanda were both in the English speaking group. (p.81) Red Flag?...like the day they had to stop Knox's interview because he showed up and insisted upon speaking to her.

Dempsey, Candace (2010-04-27). Murder in Italy: The Shocking Slaying of a British Student, the Accused American Girl, and anInternational Scandal. Penguin Group. Kindle Edition.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Hi Lou,

Well, Mull did a fine job of explaining all that, personally, I wouldn't even bother trying if I could on this subject matter.

Hey, this what Sollecito said about the murder chief Napoleoni (think that was the spelling), her eyes looking into them.

I knew it, and you can see her SEEING them, that always struck me, it was as clear as a morning bell, and as he looked, into them, they looked into space because their eyes were too scared to meet hers and the more they did this the more alarm bells were set off in the highly experienced murder chief's head.

What Knox's lot tried to do with her, and the best they could do or managed to do, was to try to bring her significance, SIG NIG IC ANCE, as head of mur derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, was to try to make out she was some kind of Britney Spears, talking about her clothing, however, silly silly, it was not her on trial for murder, and it was not her who was doing very strange things, like Knox, walking into court with that truly disgustingly out of place T-shirt in big blood red letters saying All You Need is Love

All of the above notwithstanding, it Napoleoni was head of the murder squad and let's jut be clear on this and sorry Mr Sollecito that it disturbed you and you once again think it fit that yo u do your usual exercise in acerbity (the guy has a problem with everyone, he the mighty entitled, even dad isn't spared)


How cruel could ANYONE in their right mind be, to do this (walk into court in a T-shirt like that - making a mockery of everyone & everything), within the context of a horrific murder, to insult everyone's intelligence, by making this statement, it might as well have read SHIIT HAPPENS GET OVER IT


Yes, an experienced detective like Napoleoni would be difficult to fool.
Amanda told Napoleoni that she left the front door open when she showered because she thought one of her roommates had just taken out the rubbish..Napoleoni walked down the drive to observe the location of the trash bins, and knew that she had to have been lying (because she would have passed this roommate). With the staged burglary, with the discrepancy in the accounts of Filomena and Knox about whether Meredith locked her door, the suspicion over the timing of the call to "112", the big deal over the unflushed toilet, the tale of the mop parade.......it was so much more than their making out or as the Knoxs like to say, "three chase kisses" to emphasize her "purity". Plenty there to get a "look" from a detective.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

zorba wrote:
Couric: the basin, but also on the carpet. There was some on the carpet as well right?
Sollecito: No, no it was kind of a water ah, um, stain but if it was not so clear that it was blood


These items are in the bathroom, however. So is the tap, the drain, the box of cotton, the light switch, etc.
He gets defensive about only two of the stains though: the basin and the bathmat.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:10 pm   Post subject: MY LETTER TO CNN   

My letter to Anderson Cooper was pretty much the same as what I wrote to Katie Couric posted upthread but here were the main points:

- Political interference from Bongiorno on the Appeals Court but American media never looked at the vast documentation proving guilt.

-Under Italian law Sollecito and Knox have not been fully exonerated and may well be sent back to trial if the Supreme Court so rules in March of next year.

- And, most importantly, Raffaele Sollecito left his DNA on Meredith Kercher's bra clasp. Even the Appeal court appointed experts had to admit it was his DNA, and provided no explanation for how it might have got there. Anyone who argues contamination does not know what they are talking about.

I also spoke to his producer and she assured me they would look at these points and address them. Uh huh.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Was Sollecito present in court when Amanda Knox was giving her testimony about Meredith's locked door?
Didn't he have the right to make spontaneous declarations throughout the trial?
If he's telling the truth about mis-translating Amanda's response, why didn't he stand up and say so?
And........why did Knox say SHE DID say Meredith sometimes locks her door?

KNOX'S TRIAL TESTIMONY:
GHIRGA: How did you interpret the fact that Meredith's door was
locked right then? Did it seem to you something normal or
abnormal? Did it happen sometimes or very rarely?

AK: Well, it happened to me sometimes to find that her door was
locked, for example if I called Meredith and she had just gotten
out of the shower, and wanted to change her clothes, and I would
get near the door, I would notice it was locked. But, then she
was inside. She also locked it when she went to England. But the
fact that it was locked then, I didn't know if she had gone to
England, and if it was locked and she wasn't inside, for me that
was strange and I didn't...


GHIRGA: And at one point, the door was broken down.
AK: Yes, but I wasn't...
GHIRGA: Of Meredith's room?
AK: Yes, because I told them, look, the door is locked, and
Filomena was going Mamma Mia, it's never locked, it's never
locked, and I said no, it's not true that it's never locked, but
it is strange
.

MIGNINI: You don't remember. So. Listen, another question. Do you
remember, on the morning of the 2nd, if Raffaele tried to break
down the door of the room?

AK: Yes.
MIGNINI: How then, when later Romanelli arrived, you said that it
was normal for Meredith to lock her door. Yet you tried to break
it down. Can you explain this?
AK: Certainly. When the police came they asked, at least they
asked Filomena, if that door was ever locked, and she said "No no
no no, it's never, never locked." I said "No, that's not true
that it's really never locked," because sometimes it actually was
locked. But for me, it was strange that it was locked and she
wasn't answering, so for me it was strange, but I wanted to
explain that it wasn't impossible, that she did lock her door now
and then.
MIGNINI: But usually, you remember her door being open.
AK: Yes it was usually open or at least...yes.
MIGNINI: But on that morning, I understand that you were said to
have stated that Meredith always locked her door. And that it was
normal.
AK: I never said it was always locked. It's just that they didn't
understand. I just wanted to explain that it was not always open.
MIGNINI: I see, you didn't explain properly.
THE COURT: The pubblico ministero is asking you: okay, you say it
was not always open, not always closed, but it was a circumstance
which didn't particularly alarm you, so much so that you even
said this to Romanelli.
AK: Yes, because Filomena was answering like that--
THE COURT: Okay, okay, but it sounds like the locked door didn't
alarm you, whereas in fact Raffaele Sollecito had already tried
to break down the door. So?
AK: Well, I was worried because she wasn't answering. The fact
that the door was locked wouldn't have alarmed me if, say, she
had answered, but the fact that she didn't answer when we called
her made us think: maybe she's in there and she isn't well or
something.
THE COURT: Yes, but per carita, still on this circumstance. A
door is locked, locked, why should I think there is someone
inside who isn't answering me? I could just calmly think that
nobody is there--

AK: Also that. But we weren't sure. Sorry--
THE COURT: --and if she's not home, why should I be worried?
Enough to ruin the door by breaking it down? Why should I think
that there is someone there who is not answering me? The simplest
answer is that she left, locked the door and left. She's not
answering, why call her? The door is locked, she's not there.
AK: I know. But the fact that there were all these strange things
in the house--
THE COURT: No, excuse me. Per carita. After this, the other party
will continue the examination. I want to say: you find the main
door open, you can think that she left and forgot to close it,
but she locked her own door. Why should you be so worried that
you try to break down her door? I think this is what the pubblico
ministero is asking. There. If you could explain why you were so
worried in relation to your knowledge. Your motive for trying to
break down the door.
AK: Yes. I was worried that somehow she was inside and had hurt
herself, because there were so many strange things in the house,
and so I didn't know what to think. But at the same time, she
could have been inside or not, but I wanted to be sure, because
if she had hurt herself in some way, or if someone was in there,
or if she went out because there was something in there, I didn't
know. And the fact that the door was locked together with the
broken window had me very worried, I didn't know what to think,
but I was worried. So I wanted to knock the door down to see if
there was something in there. I didn't know what. But at the
same time it worried me. And when I said to Filomena "It's not
true that it's never locked," I only wanted to explain the truth
of the situation. Because someone was saying "No, no, it's never
locked," and that wasn't true. I wanted to explain that.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Yes, it's incredible, when the evidence of lying is right there, that people can get around the important bits, like Sollecito did by not being obliged to testify or cross-examined.

Hey, people, I edited my post, deary me, when I read things later and see the amount of typos and bits left out, doesn't look good.

Sorry for that, didn't change keyboards yet either, I wear out, the E, S, A, T , R, D, W, C, B, N, M and aitches on my keyboards, in fact, there's not a lot left, my fingers know where to go but if I stop to look, I have to think a minute what is what, it's like playing guitar your fingers know where to go.

If I do ever go to Italy, to Perugia, I'd definitely go out of my way to try and arrange a chat with Napoleoni, I mean, it's a pity you don't get to see people such as her, saying what she thinks.

Same with Patrizia Stefanoni, you could see she didn't have a nasty bone in her body, and more, when studying up on her, I found out she took part in international seminars and was on all of the important relevant boards and parts of all of the important bodies, publishing lots of academic things, while Hellmann's specialists, at least the woman of the two, has some questionable kind of background, her former lecturer being the aunt of a murderer, who was highly sought in Italy, and it was, of ll people, Hellmann's specialist that analysed DNA, supposedly from the highly sought murder, at least, what happened was, she analysed it as belonging to him, therefore, seeing as the DNA was taken from a corpse it meant the highly sought man, was declared dead, and therefore, could, if not dead, assume a new identity, and have nobody running around trying to find him, so no longer highly sought.

The scandalous nature of this event, was that the formerly highly sought man, was spotted in Tome, and other places, apparently, yet, how could he be, if he was a corpse?

Yes, if the killer was and is actually still alive it means the scientific expert Hellmann brought in was either a poor analyst or a liar.
Neither option is good.

So maybe she was doing her former lecturer (from a rich family by the way) a favour. And the corpse, had indeed een someine from a well-off family too, and it was thought that well-off Italians, maybe fascist ones, had been protecting him for years. Maybe Hellmanns expert was one of these, and this is what many suspected about this, it is not my ideass here.

This shoddy work by Hellmann's so-called expert, explains why the Hellmann helper would be into discrediting Stefanoni, she was put through the mill of doubt and had many questioning her truthfulness, so what does she do? She takes it out on someone far more skilled and who in no way deserves to be discredited, certainly not by her, a mediocre science graduate.

Carla Vecchiotti, who has almost nothing to do with the current international scientific developments, whereas Stefanoni is right there participating, trying/aspiring/working/actively working towards being the top in her field, however, she already was beyond trying; she IS top in her field. And if there is anyone that keeps up-to-date in their field, it is her, to do that, she interacts and contributes internationally.

Vecchiotto works at the uni, has little or no practical experience, and I do not believe she ever could have gotten the same job that Stefanoni got/has, working for the police, at the top.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:39 pm   Post subject: ANDERSON COOPER READS FROM THE SCRIPT   

I'm glad Katie Couric read the material sent to her. Having seen CNN's previous reporting on Amanda Knox, I wasn't hopeful, but felt I should at least try. Found out Sollecito was appearing on AC360, got Anderson Cooper's producer, called her. What a waste of time. Anderson basically read out and repeated whatever Raffaele told him, did not ask a single original question, then went on a rant about foreign media reporting and "journalists who don't do their research"? (sic)

Sorry, Anderson. You aren't a journalist, but a script reader. You ignore the extensive reporting done by people who actually translated the documents from the Italian and did not give a hearing to the majority of people who believe Knox and Sollecito were involved in murder. The lapdog questions you read off of 'social media' were from 'Kristen B' and 'Ingrid P', who are regular commenters on the Friends of Amanda website. What are the odds that these two get selected from the hundreds of requests sent in by twitter? Sure you had author Nina Burleigh in the front seat to affirm those backwards Italians with their Madonna complex are to blame, but did you even look at your own audience? Even with the Amandii in the audience, the camera zoomed in on people who seemed, oh, perplexed, sceptical, and the three black people the day before, clearly they knew that Knox had accused an innocent black man. Yet you excuse that, and did not question ONE inconsistency in their statements or alibis? Hokay. And, your producer, after speaking to me, did not respond to my voicemail or email asking to confirm the date and time of the show? Good thing I found out it had been moved a day back. No professionalism or integrity on your part. Even the CBS Insight program tonight at 7:30 pm will be more interesting to watch.

All I was left with after watching you was wtf)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Good Work Ergon, writing to those TV people, etc.

I might get into that sometime

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Raffaele is taking exception with another aspect of Knox's testimony.
In his book, he claims to have been washing dishes from BREAKFAST when his pipes burst, and he took a call from his father at 8:40pm.
(Hellman had already anticipated this was the case, LoL.)

However, Knox said they had already eaten dinner when Raff was washing the dishes up.

AK: Um, around, um, we ate around 9:30 or 10, and then after we
had eaten and he was washing the dishes, well, as I said, I don't
look at the clock much, but it was around 10.
And...he...umm...well, he was washing the dishes and, umm, the
water was coming out and he was very "bummed" [English],
displeased, he told me he had just had that thing repaired. He
was annoyed that it had broken again. So, umm...

PS: NO I did not buy the book.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

The translation of Galati's appeal can now be downloaded from TJMK:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:19 pm   Post subject: Re: ANDERSON COOPER READS FROM THE SCRIPT   

Ergon wrote:
I'm glad Katie Couric read the material sent to her. Having seen CNN's previous reporting on Amanda Knox, I wasn't hopeful, but felt I should at least try. Found out Sollecito was appearing on AC360, got Anderson Cooper's producer, called her. What a waste of time. Anderson basically read out and repeated whatever Raffaele told him, did not ask a single original question, then went on a rant about foreign media reporting and "journalists who don't do their research"? (sic)

Sorry, Anderson. You aren't a journalist, but a script reader. You ignore the extensive reporting done by people who actually translated the documents from the Italian and did not give a hearing to the majority of people who believe Knox and Sollecito were involved in murder. The lapdog questions you read off of 'social media' were from 'Kristen B' and 'Ingrid P', who are regular commenters on the Friends of Amanda website. What are the odds that these two get selected from the hundreds of requests sent in by twitter? Sure you had author Nina Burleigh in the front seat to affirm those backwards Italians with their Madonna complex are to blame, but did you even look at your own audience? Even with the Amandii in the audience, the camera zoomed in on people who seemed, oh, perplexed, sceptical, and the three black people the day before, clearly they knew that Knox had accused an innocent black man. Yet you excuse that, and did not question ONE inconsistency in their statements or alibis? Hokay. And, your producer, after speaking to me, did not respond to my voicemail or email asking to confirm the date and time of the show? Good thing I found out it had been moved a day back. No professionalism or integrity on your part. Even the CBS Insight program tonight at 7:30 pm will be more interesting to watch.

All I was left with after watching you was wtf)



I may then make an effort, and get in touch with Hardtalk, I bet you that Sollecito wouldn't take up an offer from them; they'd make mincemeat of him!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:20 pm   Post subject: Re: ANDERSON COOPER READS FROM THE SCRIPT   

Ergon wrote:
I'm glad Katie Couric read the material sent to her. Having seen CNN's previous reporting on Amanda Knox, I wasn't hopeful, but felt I should at least try. Found out Sollecito was appearing on AC360, got Anderson Cooper's producer, called her. What a waste of time. Anderson basically read out and repeated whatever Raffaele told him, did not ask a single original question, then went on a rant about foreign media reporting and "journalists who don't do their research"? (sic)

Sorry, Anderson. You aren't a journalist, but a script reader. You ignore the extensive reporting done by people who actually translated the documents from the Italian and did not give a hearing to the majority of people who believe Knox and Sollecito were involved in murder. The lapdog questions you read off of 'social media' were from 'Kristen B' and 'Ingrid P', who are regular commenters on the Friends of Amanda website. What are the odds that these two get selected from the hundreds of requests sent in by twitter? Sure you had author Nina Burleigh in the front seat to affirm those backwards Italians with their Madonna complex are to blame, but did you even look at your own audience? Even with the Amandii in the audience, the camera zoomed in on people who seemed, oh, perplexed, sceptical, and the three black people the day before, clearly they knew that Knox had accused an innocent black man. Yet you excuse that, and did not question ONE inconsistency in their statements or alibis? Hokay. And, your producer, after speaking to me, did not respond to my voicemail or email asking to confirm the date and time of the show? Good thing I found out it had been moved a day back. No professionalism or integrity on your part. Even the CBS Insight program tonight at 7:30 pm will be more interesting to watch.


Hi Ergon, thanks for all your efforts; it is really appreciated. Maybe you would like to post your comments in the comments section of yesterday's Anderson Live program here:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/2012/09/20/amanda-knoxs-former-boyfriend-raffaele-sollecito-on-todays-show/

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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The translation of Galati's appeal can now be downloaded from TJMK:

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php


Thanks so much TM for letting us know and posting the link here.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

The appeal file they translated contains 45,389 words & 245 pages when converted into Word, which I just did with the PDF.

When you translate, you have to get the exact same meaning, and, you have to learn how to do it the right way, which means using totally different words (not literally translated ones if they do not work and entirely different sentence structures = the way you start a sentence in one language, might form the ending in another language but as you grow more and more familiar with a second language you may start to mix things up if you are not careful or you are tired) to get the same meaning, if you don't you end up writing things that nobody says in the target language, and you also end up making a literal translation.

Haven't read it yet to see how it does or does not flow; translating legal stuff isn't the easiest, you have to get used to the very formal way things are written, it doesn't, at first even seem to be your own language, seems impossible to understand, but, when you get into it sentence for sentence, it starts to make sense.

Actually, technical translation can be even more work, as you have to find the specialised terms, and there are lots of field-specific words & terms in, to name a couple of fields for instance, the building and manufacturing fields, etc., meaning they have their own terms and often there are a selection that are only in-house, which, isn't a really good or clever thing for companies to do, if they wish to facilitate good communication between different firms/bodies, outside of their town, outside o their country, thus, using terminology that you make up within your company, that nobody else can find, anywhere, works against yourself, as a business.

In law, you cannot have such business trendy words, all of the terms have to be the right ones.

There are even in legal translation, in one language to the other, differences in using bits of language, that do not really mean anything, but slip in because they are used in everyday language. What it means is, when you locate such shreds within sentences, you can decide to simply leave them out, as they just jumble up a sentence, taking away from it rather than adding, you see this when you translate a sentence or a set of sentences within a contextual framework, a paragraph, and then see that a certain part of the sentence is entirely superfluous to what was said, so it's more like peculiarities of language in everyday speech, being redundant in precise language, which law HAS to be, because if you place a comma in an incorrect position, you may make the entirety come to mean something else completely different to its true meaning, meaning someone can lose a case based on your poor/incorrect translation.

What that basically means is, you must be certain you yourself have understood every bit of what is written, and then you work on getting the sentences translated into the target language.

If you are not entirely fluent in the target language, there is no way you should be translating a text into that target language.

You may understand everything written in the language you are not fluent in, but you may not be capable of writing correctly in that language, this is the way language is acquired, according to academic studies, a child first understands more than he/she can speak, then can read more than he/she can write. And to reveal a little secret; a translator does not need to be able to write perfectly in the second language but he/she definitely must understand everything when reading that second language.


I would say translating Italian law isn't the easiest thing to do, not unless you understand Italian grammar fully.

If this transaction had been paid, and sworn, then it would have cost, around 19 euro cents minimum exclusive of VAT, per word, that amounts to 8,623.91 + 19 0r 21% VAT, which then totals = 1,623.54 VAT at 19% = 10,262.45 EUR or 1,811.02 @ 21% VAT (British rate) = 10,434.93

which is a heap, so these volunteers have saved a lot of money, as this material will be used, certainly outside the court, but for use in the courts, it would have to be sworn, which means it would have to be edited by a sworn translator. But in fact, the rates I wrote here, would be those charged by a sworn translator, so, so someone translating this a a non-sworn in translator, would charge 10 to 12 euro cents per word, if they got much more than 12 as a non-sworn work they'd be lucky, as there are plenty of people able to do the job, and so plenty of competition.

So a recalculation provides, 5,446.68 + British rate of VAT at 21% =1,143.80 = 6590.48

Which is still a tidy amount.

This shows a great amount of dedication to the case and to the purpose of allowing communication and understanding, meaning, we all get to see exactly what the Italian prosecutors are saying, thank God we do not have to rely on Knox's family for a read out.


I noticed, to preempt what is, in a way, a strike back, the appeal against the last decision, Knox's lawyer already was spinning, in exactly he way Knox's family like it, by saying, well, the appeal will last a day; huh, who is he, Mr God that he knows everything?

No, he is not, what he was doing by saying such a thing, was trying to make it all seem like a triviality, that the last decision was right and that this new appeal is therefore meaningless, when he knows that is not correct, but he is guarding his own wallet.

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The translation of Galati's appeal can now be downloaded from TJMK:

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php

Thanks, and a big thanks to the translators. What a job! I only just started reading, and I feel embarrassed for the appeal judges, and I don't even have anything to do with it :) It is error after error, illogical reasoning and in fact lots of illegal stuff.

The thing I was never totally sure about is if the trace that was found by VC was DNA or something else. The Galati document clearly states it was a trace containing human DNA.

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The CAA, by the order of September 7, 2011 has rejected, amongst other things, the Procurator-General’s request to provide a supplement of expert testimony with the aim of carrying out genetic analysis on the quantity of human DNA extracted from the new trace sampled by the experts on the blade of the [28] knife (trace 1 according to the Vecchiotti-Conti report) in proximity to the point in which Dr Stefanoni of the Scientific Police had sampled the trace from which she had extracted the DNA attributed to Meredith Kercher.
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With the experts recovering a new trace containing human DNA on the blade of the knife (a certainly odd presence, if one has in mind the ordinary use of the utensil, and overall significant – even of itself, and to leave aside the attribution – and useful to compare with what was found by Forensics on the same blade), they could not exempt themselves from carrying the test to a conclusion, so being able to evaluate the unreliability or otherwise of the result only on completed procedures, just as the same question was explicitly suggesting.

So the trace was found close to where Stefanoni found the first trace. And Galati is right to point out that the simple fact that human DNA was found on the blade of a knife is already significant, especially after the first finding. Then that the court doesn't even consider the significance of the discovery, and does not do everything it can to have this trace tested is something that is really troubling and telling of what went on in that Appeal Court. It is a shocking read, and I have a 100 pages more to go.
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guermantes wrote:

Hi Ergon, thanks for all your efforts; it is really appreciated. Maybe you would like to post your comments in the comments section of yesterday's Anderson Live program here:

http://www.andersoncooper.com/2012/09/20/amanda-knoxs-former-boyfriend-raffaele-sollecito-on-todays-show/

Anderson Cooper wrote:
What did you think of today's interview with Sollecito? Share your thoughts below!


Done, thanks, guermantes. My comment:

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I wrote to and spoke to your producer Sept. 03 with a link to our sites http://www.perugiamuderfile.net . The site documents the very serious allegations against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito and reasons why many legal analysts, including your own Nancy Grace, believe that a miscarriage of justice took place when they were acquitted.

Yet, you choose to support Raffaele's statement that there was no proof of his involvement (simply not true) and that the police only suspected him because they were 'hugging and kissing'. No, their alibis didn't match. Since you chose to criticize our (sic, I meant other) journalists for not fact checking, perhaps you should look to your own self?"
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http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php


Thank you so much for posting this, The Machine, and congrats to the translators! I look forward to reading it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Not going through for some reason, but here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peZqwsvH ... e=youtu.be

Jane Velez-Mitchell Raffaele Sollecito interview CNN, courtesy of Peter Quennel at TJMK. Wendy Murphy really lambastes Knox and Sollecito. Finally, some in the media speak up for Meredith.

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Thanks, max.
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Hahaha...I just finished watching it..and I haven't watched a talk show in a long time (what happened to Chevy Chase?). Now I remember why I stopped watching these shows. That woman Jane is not normal. But brave of them to let Wendy speak. They all made some errors, but somehow this made me LMAO :mrgreen: Too bad they didn't let Raf have a go against Wendy. He was on for 5 seconds never to return. Weird stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

It's hardly an accident that while Sollecito talks like a silly chatterbox - perhaps even incriminating himself, as a result of his choice to play with fire by doing what he is instead of being quiet, and being grateful to be out of jail right now - while Knox is keeping her head down as much as possible.

I do not think they've spoken about using this as a strategy, it's just that Sollecito is at best a thoughtless chimp.

He may study or may have, but that doesn't mean a lot to me or mean a lot in terms of reality.

I've seen plenty of thick people, somehow studying something, seen their awful levels of skill, in many things, yet they have a degree, so, that out of the way, yes, he is a chimp, because it isn't enough that, up until now he got away with murder, no, what I think is; a person truly innocent, would set about showing this, if need be, in a different way than Sollecito is doing; everything this guy says sounds hollow, shallow and full of insincerity.

No matter how hard he tries to convince, the one thing that's missing behind it all, is the actual innocence.
Only THAT innocence could ever provide the correct tone that would permeate all matter and ring bells inside people, those with any dignity themselves would feel it and instinctively, intuitively know, bells would ring that convince, without anyone even having to listen to the WORDS> you just know!

Fail Sollecito

Well done everyone for having the stomach to actually watch him perform, I cannot, as I know he is saying NOTHING, only adding to the lies he already told.

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max wrote:
Hahaha...I just finished watching it..and I haven't watched a talk show in a long time (what happened to Chevy Chase?). Now I remember why I stopped watching these shows. That woman Jane is not normal. But brave of them to let Wendy speak. They all made some errors, but somehow this made me LMAO :mrgreen: Too bad they didn't let Raf have a go against Wendy. He was on for 5 seconds never to return. Weird stuff.


Probably Raffie would have still answered each question with "her family was on the other side of the world", "it was a dreamy week", "the detectives were very aggressive" or "I didn't want to throw her under the bus." :)
I agree, it's good to hear someone speak out against AK's/RS's innocence, hopefully they'll continue doing that.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

This is also basically a trial run for the upcoming Amanda book tour. Her handlers are scrutinizing and deciding who NOT schedule for interviews or how to prep her for the responses.

If a retrial is mandated, who honestly believes Amanda will return to Italy? Raff won't have a choice.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Didn't Wendy say AK's book would be out in a couple of weeks already?
I thought it was much later.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Well I got brave and am listening, slightly, to the above, she said, Meredith stabbed 40 times

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

yah, they worked on the answer for he cotage kissing, so he'd be ready, knowing he has to say it was a comfort kiss

but.. it was not at all and that is what so plainly disturbing was about it.

And he had no options about throwing anone under any buses, if he had then he'd have been thropwing himself under the bus and vice versa,


God this Jane, what is she one of the tiop at Harvard?

Damn had to stop the clip before I throw up, what thick bitch to have working on TV

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

This Wendy was great and Jane V sounds like she was bought up, and has to say what the firm says, however, that is maybe not the case as she is plainly as thick as two short planks

I met him in the lift, he seemed like a wonderful young man

DUH

How many women met Ted Bundy and were charmed by him before he smashed them over the head, bit into their buttocks tearing out the flesh, before killing them then dumping them in the dessert, only to return multiple times and masturbate into the hollow skeleton heads

Duh, this person has a minus size IQ

met him in the lift, you should read his book, it explains everything


hahahahaha


like he was going to confess in the book

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

It's amazing how America can have someiof the most brilliant but also some of the most deranged people imaginable on this planet.

God that was great listening to this Wendy woman, how'd she get in there, they let her slip through their censorship net or what?

Wonder what Sollecito said at the end, wella, I like this Jane but I not to like Wendy, it's her fault.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Yes, Jane had obviously expected Mr Sollecito to show up at the studio brandishing a set of cut throat razors, and a belt of bullets slung around his neck Mexican bandito sytle, while beating a puppy and taking a dump in the lift

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Breaking my head this constant trying to work out which of the pair is the true nut, what I can't help feel, is that it is Knox who is the vicious one.

Unbelievable, but she really does have a calculated, most sinister air about her.
It's in the eyes

She is the only one that could have been angry at Meredith.

Why in the world would Sollecito have been angry at Meredith?

Answer, he never was.

To go as far as to kill her, if no angry or a complete lunatic, is a stretch, even if he did collect knives.

Knox on the other hand, has a rotten look in her eye, and had that look in her eyes since the day Meredith died and I expect, in certain cases, long before that day;

it was her problem that caused Meredith's death,
her hangups,
her inferiority complex,
her lack of self-esteem that drove her into situations in which she just had to position herself - in her tiny mind - as boss.

Seeing her again, lately, keeping quiet, that dancing with that fella, the look in her eyes says so much; she knows what she did alright.

Nonetheless, she decided ages ago that she was right!

To my mind, it is this bit, I am right, etc
this I am right and was right, and additionally this;
it is most unfortunate for Meredith but it serves her right mentality, and this;
nobody does that to me stance

that Knox definitely carries around and is in her every look, every expression in her face, no matter which mask she puts on when playing her roles
(whatever it is supposedly, in Knox's view, Meredith did to her)

that allows her to live with herself.

I do not see Knox cracking easily, but Sollecito,
I reckon they (Knox's chums) may view him as a liability,

which wouldn't say much for his safety; if people are prepared to cover for murderers, just how far are they prepared to go?

He is doing this now but though he is twisted in his own right (patent), he is still weak and timid, he could wake up one morning and just break down.

Because what he is up to right now, is a hard act to keep up.

Give him a few rounds in the ring face to face with a Wendy and he'd be suffering with incontinence, no need for a hot vindaloo curry on the turn!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ava wrote:
Didn't Wendy say AK's book would be out in a couple of weeks already?
I thought it was much later.


It was scheduled to be published in October, Ava. Strange how few people know it's been set back to after the SC hearing in March. Strange, but lucky for us that knife boy's memoir about how he doesn't remember wasn't also set back?

I am one of those who say that he can't function when he's off Papa's leash. Or that his Dad anticipated the blowback after his son's revelation about the secret 'deal'.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Emerald wrote:
This is also basically a trial run for the upcoming Amanda book tour. Her handlers are scrutinizing and deciding who NOT schedule for interviews or how to prep her for the responses.

If a retrial is mandated, who honestly believes Amanda will return to Italy? Raff won't have a choice.


If she doesn't show up for the retrial, it will go badly against her. And the US election being over, there will be no political pressure either. Too bad for the psychotic pair that the SC hearing was set for later :)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
Ava wrote:
Didn't Wendy say AK's book would be out in a couple of weeks already?
I thought it was much later.

It was scheduled to be published in October, Ava. Strange how few people know it's been set back to after the SC hearing in March. Strange, but lucky for us that knife boy's memoir about how he doesn't remember wasn't also set back?

I am one of those who say that he can't function when he's off Papa's leash. Or that his Dad anticipated the blowback after his son's revelation about the secret 'deal'.

His father is a smart man. It is hard to see how he could have let this one slip. Maybe the arrogance runs in the family? I am still astounded by how Raf 'thanked' the lawyers that worked for him for free.

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“[Maori] was happy to take the case without payment—as indeed Tedeschi had been before him. In both cases, I came to believe that you get what you pay for.”
Amanda Knox’s Ex Raffaele Sollecito Tells All in ‘Honor Bound’ Memoir

The Jane show was just that...a show. They all made some mistakes, but it was a first where people who thought they were guilty got a few minutes in. Actually, Wendy scored a lot of points, and Raf never returned after he already failed to answer the first question right. 'Do you still love her?'...'No'...lol...
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max wrote:

The Jane show was just that...a show. They all made some mistakes, but it was a first where people who thought they were guilty got a few minutes in. Actually, Wendy scored a lot of points, and Raf never returned after he already failed to answer the first question right. 'Do you still love her?'...'No'...lol...


Not to forget Levi Page in the end who actually seems to know details about the staged break-in.
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Ergon wrote:
Ava wrote:
Didn't Wendy say AK's book would be out in a couple of weeks already?
I thought it was much later.


It was scheduled to be published in October, Ava. Strange how few people know it's been set back to after the SC hearing in March. Strange, but lucky for us that knife boy's memoir about how he doesn't remember wasn't also set back?
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Thanks, Ergon. Apparently Raff couldn't wait any longer, he had to tell us all, now.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Some interesting excerpts of Raf's book on .ORG.

- Obvious tensions between Meredith and Amanda.

- He was more besotted with her than she, him.

-They had an argument when she bought a ticket to China to see her boyfriend in December.

- He didn't like it when she went and spent the night drinking with Spyder or went out by herself on Halloween.

The more I hear I get this picture that Amanda was the instigator. The rape prank in Seattle, the incipient bisexuality (Carolani), her rival getting the attention and a job mixing drinks at 'her' bar. She wielded the double DNA knife that killed Meredith. Some say they could not have planned this so quickly after 8:45 pm when Raffaele became free. For all we know, she might have planned it for Halloween (calling Meredith to see what her plans were) and then, later on the night of November 01. If we agree the double DNA knife is the murder weapon, then why was it transported to the cottage?

And I concur with friend Zorba, the guy is thick as two short planks. No, he did not present himself well, the coaching was obvious, and his lies, even more so. He truly is borderline psychopathic, and I look forward to Lady MacBeth, er, Amanda, protest her innocence on American TV.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

ergon - knox in correspondence addressed sollecito as "a friend"
the whole "relationship" was from the point they were clinging together in terror outside the cottage
after the murder

sollecito had found a weakness in knox something she wanted - something that he could give her
he would do anything for her egged her on - supported her with his small knife - enabled her
to kill meredith kercher with HIS knife

The 32cm kitchen knife was carried by knox from the apartment of RS to the cottage because
their attack of meredith was planned.

knox had multiple "boyfriends" a "boyfriend" back home multiple "boyfriends" in lumumbas club
even a middle aged casual "boyfriend" she had on the train into italy

she was prolific - the "cold sore" that appeared in the trial wasn't that - was HERPES

sollecito was completely obsessed by the loose AK, so was guede - they were like flies around her
"I can have any man here" (Knox) - and she was getting them - plenty

sollecito had only 1 relationship before knox AND HE SAYS HE CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER IF SHE
SPENT THE NIGHT AT HIS PLACE - blames it on a joint

haven't watched the vid yet where he actually gets challenged - may report back on it


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Yes indeed, fancy coming out with that about his lawyers, he is a true sorry arsed bleeder, it is though entirely in line with all the rest of what we know of him, his attitude, it could only have been this deficiency that would allow for the combustive mixture that he and Knox for ed together, a duo penotti of the worst kind; his arrogance, his sense of entitlement, but markedly, his distinguishing characteristic, his elevation in his head above everyone else and his bitterness against this imagined enemy which is nothing more than the entire world.

This is why, the guy , even after being protected by his lawyers, has contempt for them too!

Can you believe this guy, his contempt, this is the main feature, his entitlement mixed with arrogance, entitlement and CONTEMPT, nobody is spared, even Knox ahhaha.

Though, he says, she is innocent, yeah, sure he only says it because he has to say that to protect himself yet wind his story in such a way as to be able to demolish her too in the meantime, demolish her but say she is innocent, she went out with strange guys and I did not agree; this guy is really giving us the extra missing links.
Thanks for that Sollecito. Bravo encore!

His dad did have hair you know, but I feel he won't have for long, he'll be pulling it out.

God I'm cracking up at the absurdity and clearness of his and HER guilt.


Come on old chap, give us some more insane appearances on telly.

Maybe, he's going to have second thought when he sees how he came off when Wendy said it how it is, I bet he couldn't get out of that studio fast enough.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
Some interesting excerpts of Raf's book on .ORG.

- Obvious tensions between Meredith and Amanda.

- He was more besotted with her than she, him.

-They had an argument when she bought a ticket to China to see her boyfriend in December.

- He didn't like it when she went and spent the night drinking with Spyder or went out by herself on Halloween.

The more I hear I get this picture that Amanda was the instigator. The rape prank in Seattle, the incipient bisexuality (Carolani), her rival getting the attention and a job mixing drinks at 'her' bar. She wielded the double DNA knife that killed Meredith. Some say they could not have planned this so quickly after 8:45 pm when Raffaele became free. For all we know, she might have planned it for Halloween (calling Meredith to see what her plans were) and then, later on the night of November 01. If we agree the double DNA knife is the murder weapon, then why was it transported to the cottage?

And I concur with friend Zorba, the guy is thick as two short planks. No, he did not present himself well, the coaching was obvious, and his lies, even more so. He truly is borderline psychopathic, and I look forward to Lady MacBeth, er, Amanda, protest her innocence on American TV.



Yes Ergon, I think what he is showing, however odd he is, is a certain gullibility, and I reckon though not angry at Meredith, with his sexual desires all muddled up and played upon by Knox, that with a mashed up head & stoned as a kite, Knox WAS able to get him into all of this, meaning it isn't like he did nothing. But it was all her anger and her hang-ups that formed the driving force; he is a weak person.

If she had ever felt anything for Meredith her face would have been wrought with those feelings, as things are, indeed her face (features and eyes are scary) always resembles a block of Antarctic ice

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

ttrroonniicc wrote:
ergon - knox in correspondence addressed sollecito as "a friend"
the whole "relationship" was from the point they were clinging together in terror outside the cottage
after the murder

sollecito had found a weakness in knox something she wanted - something that he could give her
he would do anything for her egged her on - supported her with his small knife - enabled her
to kill meredith kercher with HIS knife

The 32cm kitchen knife was carried by knox from the apartment of RS to the cottage because
their attack of meredith was planned.

knox had multiple "boyfriends" a "boyfriend" back home multiple "boyfriends" in lumumbas club
even a middle aged casual "boyfriend" she had on the train into italy

she was prolific - the "cold sore" that appeared in the trial wasn't that - was HERPES

sollecito was completely obsessed by the loose AK, so was guede - they were like flies around her
"I can have any man here" (Knox) - and she was getting them - plenty

sollecito had only 1 relationship before knox AND HE SAYS HE CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER IF SHE
SPENT THE NIGHT AT HIS PLACE - blames it on a joint

haven't watched the vid yet where he actually gets challenged - may report back on it


Exactly, this is why the bit in the designer lingerie store, Bubbles, where she was telling him we will have hot sex, was so relevant, to this interaction, that was going on, wherein, she was manipulating him by using sex, so he was enjoying getting laid, and she was using that, but, was in no way married to him, come on, he was just one, and it seems like that night was muddled up, and that Knox was not someone who was going to hold back on taking up with guys, after all, it was this feeling Meredith got, of this lack of responsibility, men Meredith herself would never bring back to the home, then Meredith seeing them being welcomed into what was her home too, that gave her good cause for alarm, and how right she was; Knox was acting in an awfully disrespectful way.

I bet you dad ain't inviting Knox over all the time to see her sisters.
He did what he did but I'm certain he knows it was all wrong and I bet in the family there have been some awful arguments, after all, those two minors are bound to have been affected, not by the actual situation of their sister being guilty, even if she got off or even if she had stayed in jail, it is more all of this wrong that has been going on in the families there.


I would be amazed if those minors are not affected and are happily attending school.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:39 pm   Post subject: WHY WAS CURT KNOX SO ANGRY?   

zorba wrote:

I net you dad ain't inviting Knox over all the time to see her sisters.
He id what he did but I'm certain he knows it was all wrong and I bet in the family there have been some awful arguments, after all, those two minors are bound to have been affected, not by the actual situation of their sister being guilty, even if she got off or even if she had stayed in jail, it is more all of this wrong that has been going on in the families there.

I would be amazed if those minors are not affected and are happily attending school.


When you hit the nail on the head, you really hit it, zorba. Why was Curt Knox so angry? Not at the Italians or that's the way he is. I think more than anything else, he knows that she's guilty, and here he is, trying to create a new life, and she lands him in the soup with her promiscuity and drug/alcohol use. Whatever issues existed between him and Edda would be amplified, he blames her for the way she and Chris Mellas didn't supervise her, he's getting shit from new wife and had to stand between Edda and Cassandra in Perugia, the tension so obvious, and what of his other daughters? Ms Knox ruined their families, and now that he's done his duty, don't look for ol' Curt to show up on TV ever again.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Too funny not to repost it here. I don't know where H9 finds such photos but, well, I have to admit I can't beat her at that.

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Looks likes Sollecito has found 4 Ersatz mommies; he has been literally 'squeezed' between them. His book agent Sharlene Martin is first from left. The magazine he is holding in his hands is the latest issue of People. There's an 'exclusive' in it about his book and his and Knox's "life behind bars". I skimmed through it at the store on the way home yesterday and thought it was pretty worthless. I wouldn't exactly call it a scoop. Is the title on the cover a bit ambiguous on purpose? It could be read as 'Amanda Knox SEX', as well as 'Amanda Knox's Ex'. A large photo of Raf in a denim shirt on p.87, looking all innocent, and two more pages (pp.88 & 90) of text. You can pick up the Oct 1 issue from a shelf at your local supermarket and look through it in 2 minutes, then put it back in a magazine rack.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

I saw that picture there too, guermantes. Not only does he appear rather, er, small (5 foot 6?) but so's his head, almost like it never developed properly. His courtroom pics were deceiving.

btw, re: the People Magazine cover, the French magazine that originally published Kate's topless pictures is owned by Sylvio Berlusconi. Small world.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:33 pm   Post subject: Re: WHY WAS CURT KNOX SO ANGRY?   

Ergon wrote:
zorba wrote:

I bet you dad ain't inviting Knox over all the time to see her sisters.
He did what he did but I'm certain he knows it was all wrong and I bet in the family there have been some awful arguments, after all, those two minors are bound to have been affected, not by the actual situation of their sister being guilty, even if she got off or even if she had stayed in jail, it is more all of this wrong that has been going on in the families there.

I would be amazed if those minors are not affected and are happily attending school.


When you hit the nail on the head, you really hit it, zorba. Why was Curt Knox so angry? Not at the Italians or that's the way he is. I think more than anything else, he knows that she's guilty, and here he is, trying to create a new life, and she lands him in the soup with her promiscuity and drug/alcohol use. Whatever issues existed between him and Edda would be amplified, he blames her for the way she and Chris Mellas didn't supervise her, he's getting shit from new wife and had to stand between Edda and Cassandra in Perugia, the tension so obvious, and what of his other daughters? Ms Knox ruined their families, and now that he's done his duty, don't look for ol' Curt to show up on TV ever again.



Thanks Ergon, nice of you to say so, I try, but you can't force an insight, like when tired I often end up giving up for a few hours or a night.

Yes, those interactions in the family, nobody can tell m they just all went home to bed, end of.... impossible, you'd only need one or two of them to have a couple of beers too many, get tangled up in words and start having all of the pent-ups leaking out as they do among human beings, and very ugly and upsetting that can be, because it's there that people break down and lose control, saying stuff they later regret.


How in hell could they have gotten along, when Chris M has acted as the saviour, the guy who taking on the role of a dad, but Knox not even wanting it, hr feeling nervous in childhood and pre-puberty, she being nervous IN puberty, then he letting out stuff trying to protect his Mrs, his wife, and criticising Knox's dad, for having let Knox's mother struggle financially.

So all tending to Knox in her hour of need, in no way could have bandaged all of that past stuff up.

The scars are there and itch.

And if there was one itchy fabric against the skin of their own problems, from the past,
it was now having to devote so much to the odd child, the one none of them admit was odd, more than quirky, let's say strange.


So the father, now in this situation, ha to do his best, and he felt all of that guilt from the past, unable to untangle it, as his daughter(s) were by now already grown up, and so no matter how much a dad like that tries to make up for stuff (negligence) it'll never get repaired, because at times of stress, a child will misuse it, even without trying, it's just the way things go.

In practice, this mean being pleasant in an every day way, but when there is a problem, let's say argument, then all of this ill-feeling pours out, even if the source of it is not worded, or expressed by the one who suffered the neglect. It isn't, because the neglect caused damage, and if the on who suffered it, had been able to truly shake it off and seal with it, then he/she would ever break down about it anymore and not misuse it by being uptight towards a parent

I expect Knox feels that he owed her anyhow, yet, her patented brand of disturbance, is not exactly the same trademarked brand Knox suffers with, her brand is that she feels inferior, Sollecito's is that he feels superior and has nothing but feelings of contempt for others, no matter who they are, while putting on an act like he is the meek man, yet inferior or superior, these conditions both lead to explosions and to taking shit that disturbs you, out on other people.


The superior or the inferior are both based on a lack of self-esteem.

One feels that she/he is a lesser being, less than others, the other end of the spectrum shows people who think they are better than others; both conditions compensate for the thing that is missing, the feeling of belonging,

neither Knox or Sollecito felt they belonged

and so they both developed certain behavioral patterns,

Knox always competing, and so in that way, when she won, it gave her a sense of I am good enough, see, I am worthy,

but, someone who feels truly worthy, does not need to keep proving it,
and is not dependent on a pat on the back, nor is he/she easily swayed by negative criticism, being able to place it into a proper and real context, like; yes, you say that, but I know me, and I am not that, therefore you are entitled to your opinion, but because I am a balanced individual I can deal with what others say and it will not destroy me or make me ANGRY>

Knox could not do this, as she was always dependent on creating situations to use to reaffirm that she was worthy, it was an ongoing exercise to benefit her own mind, it was not so mething she shared with others, so those around her, none of them understood what animated her actions.

Yet she never has felt worthy.
Sollecito, he has all the dough he needs, nice things, nothing was too much for the ONLY son, yet he too feels he does not belong, and to feel worthy, criticises others and was very much busy with this mentality before he ever set eyes on Knox.

Therefore we can truly conclude that his disturbance is that his lack of self-esteem leads him into situations where he can then reaffirm that others are no good or wrong, he does this from his starting point of that he is better, yet in truth, he has done nothing in life that would mean he could truly say that he is outstanding, his sense of entitlement comes through his upbringing and his being spoilt, it is attached to the abundance of wealth, his dad was and is by no means poor, having had jobs at 4 different clinics, some privately run in partnership, and all at the same time. This wealth was what Sollecito was brought up with, so he has never known anything different, however, he has never earned anything, his study, he may have completed it now but by all accounts he was doing a lousy job before he met Knox and dad was upset with his behaviour, was dad then over the moon when his son went and got involved in a murder?

Come off it.

They have had arguments too and I bet Sollecito is in part escaping the clutches of his father and that's why now he is even expressing his contempt for his father, and.. his sister.
contempt because his dad provided the means but in Sollecito's had his dad was controlling him, so he despises him, just as he despises so many other people and all the time acts like the jolly gentleman. He is not gentle. He's gentle as long as you agree with him an take his shit. I think he is capable of getting very worked up, but, I do not think he was angry the night Meredith died.
I think he was being led by his sense of rebellion mixed up with his messed up feeling, which are all of the above, contempt, lack of self-esteem, entitlement.

They (dad and co) would have done him a favour if they'd let him get on with it in jail, then he may have gotten real at some point. I doubt he ever will get real now.

He is not real at all.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:04 pm   Post subject: CURT KNOX AND CHRIS MELLAS   

Yeah, zorba. Body language never lies.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:11 pm   Post subject: NO MALE BONDING HERE   

Even here, when Knox is acquitted, they should be happy. But they're looking like they're about to butt heads or something.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Hi Right Ergon,

Looking at Knox 'Mr',
though,
he always strikes me as a bit of a scary intimidating fellow, I mean, he was the one to take two minors along to a high court of law in which his adult daughter was being tried for murder, what kind of dad with any common sense does such a thing?

He had no right to be abusive towards people, he should have left them (the kids) out of it and taken the reporters in his stride, after all, did he expect them to ignore him, when all the time he and his tribe did nothing but court the media.

Yeah right, have it ONLY YOUR OWN WAY or no way at all, or else PAL......
In this case, not like father like son but like father like daughter..

Aggression, why sir, it's normal.

I guess his daughter learned to think so too.............while growing up!

But I do think she was probably afraid of her father.

He looks like such a jock, and he also looks like an uptight person, with or without daughter in court accused of murder.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

zorba wrote:
Hi Right Ergon,

looking at Knox Mr, though, he always strikes me as a bit of a scary intimidating fellow, I mean, he was the one to take two minor along to a high court of law in which his adult daughter was being tried for murder, what kind of dad with any common sense does such a thing?

he was using them to enhance his portrayal of victimhood
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ttrroonniicc wrote:
zorba wrote:
Hi Right Ergon,

looking at Knox 'Mr',
though, he always strikes me as a bit of a scary intimidating fellow, I mean, he was the one to take two minors along to a high court of law in which his adult daughter was being tried for murder; what kind of dad with any common sense does such a thing?

he was using them to enhance his portrayal of victimhood



Indeed he was, and ugly it was too

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Anybody else getting curious about why so many WOMEN are doing his interviews? Where's Nancy Grace?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

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Anybody else getting curious about why so many WOMEN are doing his interviews? Where's Nancy Grace?


Yes, this too seems like a shaping exercise, one to show him shaped as the helpless little boy who wouldn't harm a lamb, there mothered in between all of those women.

They will be able to connect it to stories they may be putting out in a field exercise lasting for a few weeks, where he is then appearing all over the place (at as many their-case-friendly venues as possible), at as many Knox-Sollecito-friendly sites, so that to the ordinary folk at home, it seems like this presentation of him is a reality, is real, is the way things are because hey look, everywhere they seem to be saying it, however, check out who set up the interviews, and one will find that the chiefs/show organisers were drilled or scrutinized, meaning, chatted with to see whether they agreed with the idea of: Yeah, these 2 are innocent, okay, okay, we can get down to business, it goes like this.... you agree to, bla bla bla, sign here, if you breach this contract by......asking him this, or asking him that or by......, you shall not mention bla bla bla, in any way shape or form, if you do violate any of the terms of this contract you will pay the sum of ...,000.000 dollars.

Thank you says PR arm Sollecito (his book people with a financial interest invested in him now) so you agree, well okay, this is what happened, take note.

That's why you get that nitwit woman Jane, shouting her lardy mouth off like a lunatic, one who knows nothing at all in fact and one who even if she did could not process it in her single celled brain.

So there they are, cushioning him in among the not so much romantically available females, as much as in among the mothering types; he as the softy. They as protective supportive cocoon, sat that way, I mean they make him somehow look like a midget, I don't know if they conveniently photo-shopped him down to Tom Thumb format. Did they?

Whoever those women are, and I cannot say I know, what they represent is this notion of the female club, the female institute, the female stand-up for your right-ers, like or something like, 'The View' from ABC, only, these ones are obviously as thick as shit and represent that dungheadedness, rather than some up-front, emancipated, assertive & opinionated female club of women; no, if Jane is anything to go by, her opinionated cutting edge, is just a big shouting match exercise where she says stuff like she just did in the clip: What???? I just met that young man in the lift and I've read his book, it explains everything, so what else do I need?

Now based on that, all anyone accused of crimes needs to do is write a book, jump in a lift with a brainless nitwit who has no power of perception at all, and there ya go, you are innocent.

And I'm not even saying that I think The View is a TV programme with any cutting edge/deeply insightful abilities as in, shared between the women that present it, but they couldn't be quite down at the Jane level. Could they?

So this is why, Sollecito's now-support-team, got him put on that show, some silly PR biatch (of the let's all be buddies we are all females after all: which is no basis to build upon, it is a person's qualities that characterise actual value and it:- value in terms of intelligence is not anything that can be limited by falseties related to gender) phoned her up, they went for lunch, talked about handbags, she was given a book and a bottle of perfume, and 5 minutes before the after meal coffee, PR-person Sollecito gave the interviewer a dictatorial type list of how things are.
Study this.
Thank you, and bye bye.

This Jane V was in no way able to stand up to what Wendy was saying, all as Jane V did was shout nonsense.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXV. MAIN DISCUSSION, MAY 28 -   

Ergon wrote:
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Didn't Wendy say AK's book would be out in a couple of weeks already?
I thought it was much later.


It was scheduled to be published in October, Ava. Strange how few people know it's been set back to after the SC hearing in March. Strange, but lucky for us that knife boy's memoir about how he doesn't remember wasn't also set back?




Yet, shortly after the appeal verdict, her family was claiming the book was practically written with all the journals she kept in prison. Her stepfather is said to have injured his back lugging out boxes of her writings.

Early on it was suggested by some Italian attorneys that Knox be evaluated for graphomania; this was rejected by her defense. Graphomania, also known as Hypergraphia, is an overwhelming urge to write, and can be associated with hypomania and mania in the context of bipolar disorder.

Maybe her confused and verbose writing style is playing a role in the delay of the book, not to mention her propensity for confessional writing and the legal edits this book is surely going through.

One can only imagine the editing process that would take place with a submission such as her Marie Pace confession:

"I turned and you were gone. Swam in the waves of warm bodies and wet with sweat and drink. I had to navigate to reach the wall with arms raised like a mast. I walked passing over the jackets, bags and in a corner there was a guy passed out. You were not in the kitchen, where a mountain of beer cans was on the floor. I was opening a window to get some air when I saw from the door smoke coming out. I approached, I knocked, I called you, I held the door handle and then when no one answered me, I opened the door. The smoke enveloped me and I thought of drowning in that burnt stink then I saw you lying on the ground, without a jacket and without shirt. At that moment I did not understand anything and while I was out of the house I remembered that with you there were other people who smoked, that were piercing. I didn’t understand, you must believe me."

Of course it makes sense to delay the book until after Cassation rules, but was that the original plan? How long will Harper Collins ride this deal out assuming there is a retrial?
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