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XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30, 13 - JULY 31, 14

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Jackie -I loved it so much I posted it without your permission. Sorry. I did acknowledge you, though!


Kewl. I hope you got the latest version, below (I forgot to make Dexter black and white in the first one! LOL):

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jackie.......Brilliant m'love. You never disappoint :)

And thank you all. So many funny clever people out there. I am Harry Rag is sure to get Michelle Moore's titties in a tangle :)

These are just classic. I'd like to see one with Knox's boyfriend..With his haunted Al Quaeda look..it's a match. Crikey.

The Klueless Knox.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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* Pretty In Pink * gives me the willies :(

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Still laughing at Jackie's. SO freaking good.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The Foakers are petitioning against the Documentary * Is Amanda Knox Guilty*.

Now..Ummm..I'm going to go out on a limb here......and....predict.......It WILL be shown.

In the meantime....on the Foaker site: Nary a word about Knox's latest * Close Up *. I wonder why? I mean..they're so quick to laud every interview...every nuance. And..now..Knox acting on her own accord..posting on twitter...and many all a-twitter about it.....SILENCIO. :)

It's very depressing over there. A huge debate going on. A poster..a lawyer..made the statement * Saying I wasn't there is not an alibi *. Oh Lud. Much consternation.

Well, yeah..hello. That statement must be supported by something credible or it will not be accepted as an alibi in a Court of law.

A very smart poster..username * Super 8 *...agrees and gives links. He is IMMEDIATELT ACCUSED OF BEING..our very own JACKIE.

Do you know...I'm beginning to feel quite sorry for them. Not ONE smart poster.Not one Foaker supporter to offer any credence or being able to answer coherently any of the known facts.

One must come to this conclusion. Anyone with even a small brain...understands that Raffles and Knox are guilty. Rudy is guilty..but just what his involvement was..is still , in my mind...a puzzle. He did no cleanup...he put towels under Meredith...he stole nothing..from what I can tell. He never used the credit cards...and...

Hey DG..MONEY was deposited in Knox's account that THEY have never been able to explain.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks so much Nell et al for posting the twitter goings on. I don't use it..don't know how...and just am not that into it. ( It seems I am missing some interesting tid bits though :)

Oh..and the pic of Raffles sneering and holding up the sign..was .. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Anyone else creeped out by Knox's hands??????? And..THE EYES??? ss-)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Anyone else creeped out by Knox's hands??????? And..THE EYES??? ss-)


Dead Eyes.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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capealadin wrote:
Anyone else creeped out by Knox's hands??????? And..THE EYES??? ss-)


Dead Eyes.


YES!! Like a shark.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:11 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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In the meantime, Rudy Guede has written another letter, posted on the Facebook page 'Processo e dintorni. Storie di vite e storie di giustizia' ('Process and its surroundings. Stories of lives and stories of justice').

Meredith: Guede, "Now I speak . About me too much falsehood"

Perugia, February 11 - " Against me are made continuous false imaginative reconstructions for the sole purpose of wanting to denigrate my figure and person, systematically and in a negative way in the public eye and not just Italian." That's what he wrote in his own hand on the Facebook page ' Process and its surroundings. Stories of lives and stories of justice ' , Rudy Hermann Guede , the young Ivorian sentenced to 16 years in prison for the murder of Meredith Kercher . A sheet of notebook paper handwritten and signed by Guede. "To my regret - the letter reads - I'm forced to take a pen and paper and write just for the sake of truth and all those thousands of people who still believe in justice, but they can not access all the trial components this sad extremely complex legal case consists of and dramatically painful for those who lived it . Notwithstanding my sentence and 'res judicata', for too long I have been a witness to a continuous and willful manipulation and alteration of the data of the proceedings. Against me are made continuous false imaginative reconstructions for the sole purpose of wanting to denigrate my figure and person, systematically and in a negative way in the public eye and not just Italian . "

"The final judgment as I'm concerned (apart from a few false imaginative reconstructions ) I was acquitted of theft and simulation of crime, a fact that is never heard or mentioned in the various journalistic reconstructions - the letter continues - I also want to point out I do not accept in any way to be continually held up as a drifter , a thief, a homeless , seeing my person and my dignity offended continually , denigrated and stereotyped by facts and things that do not belong to me, through serious prejudicial defamation ..., yet still , when I had ( beyond my personal experiences ), a beautiful family and squeaky clean record and friendly relations in Perugia " .


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Guede: "I was acquitted of theft and simulation of crime, a fact that is never heard or mentioned in the various journalistic reconstructions - the letter continues - I also want to point out I do not accept in any way to be continually held up as a drifter , a thief, a homeless , seeing my person and my dignity offended continually , denigrated and stereotyped by facts and things that do not belong to me, through serious prejudicial defamation"

This is an interesting statement. It seems to be directed towards those that tell the Lone Wolf story. In every version of Knox and Sollecito are Innocent, Guede is a thieving, drug dealing drifter. He seems to be pointing out that this is not true. Is that his way of saying that the Lone Wolf story isn't true? He's not denying that he resides in the sex offender wing of the prison, or that he participated in a murder, only that how he has been depicted is not accurate.

Were the break-ins all close together in terms of dates?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:24 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

capealadin wrote:

YES!! Like a shark.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.
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Very good one. The truth needs to be told.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:11 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michelle Moore reaches out to Sean Penn asking for support.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

@Jester, the Milan Nursery break in was discovered October 27, 2007, the Perugia law office break in was around October13-14, 2007 (p 45-46 Massei) but Massei does not specify the date of the Cristian Tramontano home robbery; other sources say it was that summer (Rudy had returned from his job in Northern Italy July 2007 and was presumed to be living on his earnings and petty crime)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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The preview clip doesn't work for me...


I think the clip will be coming on later, guermantes. Paul Russell is the author of Darkness Descending, of course, and that the Kerchers have cooperated with the producers is wonderful news! Looking forward to seeing it, and the media to finally, get it right.


Here's a brief preview clip that doesn't reveal much about the BBC3 docu though:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

In the meantime, Shameless in Bisceglie ...

Raffaele Sollecito is begging for dollars on Twitter and his GoFundMe page... again. He expects dim wits to follow blindly and give him money.

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When will his mostly American 'groupies' understand that he is using people to cover his travel expenses all over Italy and to support his extravagant lifestyle to which he is becoming accustomed solely by preying on their delusions regarding his innocence and an 'injustice' done to him? I'm surprised that enough people fall for it to keep him going so he doesn't have to go look for work. When will they wake up and recognize him as the fraud and the liar he is? Hey Groupies, stop acting like fools!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

capealadin wrote:
The Foakers are petitioning against the Documentary * Is Amanda Knox Guilty*.

Now..Ummm..I'm going to go out on a limb here......and....predict.......It WILL be shown.

In the meantime....on the Foaker site: Nary a word about Knox's latest * Close Up *. I wonder why? I mean..they're so quick to laud every interview...every nuance. And..now..Knox acting on her own accord..posting on twitter...and many all a-twitter about it.....SILENCIO. :)

It's very depressing over there. A huge debate going on. A poster..a lawyer..made the statement * Saying I wasn't there is not an alibi *. Oh Lud. Much consternation.

Well, yeah..hello. That statement must be supported by something credible or it will not be accepted as an alibi in a Court of law.

A very smart poster..username * Super 8 *...agrees and gives links. He is IMMEDIATELT ACCUSED OF BEING..our very own JACKIE.

Do you know...I'm beginning to feel quite sorry for them. Not ONE smart poster.Not one Foaker supporter to offer any credence or being able to answer coherently any of the known facts.

One must come to this conclusion. Anyone with even a small brain...understands that Raffles and Knox are guilty. Rudy is guilty..but just what his involvement was..is still , in my mind...a puzzle. He did no cleanup...he put towels under Meredith...he stole nothing..from what I can tell. He never used the credit cards...and...

Hey DG..MONEY was deposited in Knox's account that THEY have never been able to explain.


They will not touch the deposit, the cocaine dealer's number called both before and after the murder, or the prior prank with a 100 ft pole. Usually it is- well, what about a motive/ what about a timeline/ what about the edfs/ what about the pink bathroom picture/ what about the aids test... never anything of substance.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

More on the Witterbottom movie:

Rising Star Sai Bennett to Appear in Michael Winterbottom’s ‘The Face of an Angel’
By Leo Barraclough

LONDON - Rising star Sai Bennett, who appears in ITV’s period drama “Mr Selfridge,” will feature in Michael Winterbottom’s hotly anticipated film “The Face of an Angel,” which uses an Amanda Knox-like murder trial as a springboard for an investigation of society’s fascination with violence.

“I can’t say much about my character yet, but I’ve been to Italy and filmed my scenes,” Bennett told the Daily Telegraph.

Bennett, whose character in the film is called Elizabeth Pryce, according to the website of her agency Curtis Brown, performs alongside Daniel Bruhl, Kate Beckinsale and Cara Delevingne.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The FOA Central call to action: :roll:

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ACTION NEEDED: Please email the BBC to protest the upcoming documentary by Andrea Vogt and Paul Russell. This documentary will poison the British public against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. Andrea Vogt is a biased freelance journalist who actively promote a fake wiki created by Amanda Knox hate site members. Her cards have long been on the table. Paul Russell authored an anti-Amanda Knox book. The BBC has been displaying astonishing bias on this case. They have funded filmmaker Michael Winterbottom's film based on Barbie Nadeau's horrendous anti-Knox book, featured Leila Schneps who is a prime member of hate site PMF and Andrea Vogt a journalist with connections to the prosectution (sic). Also noted is that Meredith Kercher's brother John Kercher Jr. works for the BBC. Please tell the BBC to STOP the showing of this biased documentary and end their extreme bias on the Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito case. Email BBC: trust.enquiries@bbc.co.uk


And they are NOT biased, of course, towards Knox and Sollecito...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
@Jester, the Milan Nursery break in was discovered October 27, 2007, the Perugia law office break in was around October13-14, 2007 (p 45-46 Massei) but Massei does not specify the date of the Cristian Tramontano home robbery; other sources say it was that summer (Rudy had returned from his job in Northern Italy July 2007 and was presumed to be living on his earnings and petty crime)


Thanks. If I understand correctly, Guede led a rather normal life, for a 20 year old, until 1-4 months prior to the murder. Then, for some reason, he became involved in break and enter crimes. The timing is interesting, because something similar is said of Knox. She apparently led a normal life in Seattle and then, 3-4 months before the murder, she changed in terms of throwing away her job in Germany, taking advantage of her relatives, and living a more high risk lifestyle.

What Guede seems to be saying is that there's a short period in his life where he made very bad choices, but that those few months do not define him. Knox says the same thing about that time period in her life. In fact, those few months will always define both of them, but today, Guede is not a drifter, drug dealing thief and Knox is not an irresponsible, drug crazed, hook up.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
The FOA Central call to action: :roll:

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ACTION NEEDED: Please email the BBC to protest the upcoming documentary by Andrea Vogt and Paul Russell. This documentary will poison the British public against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. Andrea Vogt is a biased freelance journalist who actively promote a fake wiki created by Amanda Knox hate site members. Her cards have long been on the table. Paul Russell authored an anti-Amanda Knox book. The BBC has been displaying astonishing bias on this case. They have funded filmmaker Michael Winterbottom's film based on Barbie Nadeau's horrendous anti-Knox book, featured Leila Schneps who is a prime member of hate site PMF and Andrea Vogt a journalist with connections to the prosectution (sic). Also noted is that Meredith Kercher's brother John Kercher Jr. works for the BBC. Please tell the BBC to STOP the showing of this biased documentary and end their extreme bias on the Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito case. Email BBC: trust.enquiries@bbc.co.uk


And they are NOT biased, of course, towards Knox and Sollecito...

Intriguing news! I guess the influence of the Perugian police goes far beyond what Steve Moore expected. They even hired freelance journalists and anti-Amanda Knox authors to poison the BRITISH public. Also creating Amanda Knox hate sites on the internet, I bet those bastards on this page are on the Perugian payroll aswell. All for one simple reason - to protect the police informant Rudy Guede.

Groupies is a fitting term, this has nothing to do with saving falsely convicted murderers.

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Schdiwi wrote:
guermantes wrote:
The FOA Central call to action: :roll:

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ACTION NEEDED: Please email the BBC to protest the upcoming documentary by Andrea Vogt and Paul Russell. This documentary will poison the British public against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. Andrea Vogt is a biased freelance journalist who actively promote a fake wiki created by Amanda Knox hate site members. Her cards have long been on the table. Paul Russell authored an anti-Amanda Knox book. The BBC has been displaying astonishing bias on this case. They have funded filmmaker Michael Winterbottom's film based on Barbie Nadeau's horrendous anti-Knox book, featured Leila Schneps who is a prime member of hate site PMF and Andrea Vogt a journalist with connections to the prosectution (sic). Also noted is that Meredith Kercher's brother John Kercher Jr. works for the BBC. Please tell the BBC to STOP the showing of this biased documentary and end their extreme bias on the Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito case. Email BBC: trust.enquiries@bbc.co.uk


And they are NOT biased, of course, towards Knox and Sollecito...

Intriguing news! I guess the influence of the Perugian police goes far beyond what Steve Moore expected. They even hired freelance journalists and anti-Amanda Knox authors to poison the BRITISH public. Also creating Amanda Knox hate sites on the internet, I bet those bastards on this page are on the Perugian payroll aswell. All for one simple reason - to protect the police informant Rudy Guede.

Groupies is a fitting term, this has nothing to do with saving falsely convicted murderers.


This is what Steve Moore wrote on his blog after Hellman's acquittal:

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Sadly, the vindictiveness of a corrupt local system is not easily escaped. About half an hour after the initially popular verdict, a “spontaneous” anti-Knox demonstration began outside the court. In a striking bit of serendipity, the “spontaneous demonstrators” just happened to have megaphone with them that night, and all knew what they would chant. Though in jeans and polo shirts, the demonstrators (all men between their middle-20’s and late 40’s) bore startling, almost eerie individual resemblances to the dozens of policemen who had originally signed the warrants against Amanda and Raffaele, and who had been in court that night in a “show of solidarity.” Many of those officers are the same ones suing Amanda for claiming that she had been slapped in her interrogation. (The required tape of the interrogation of prisoners in Italy is inexplicably absent. Go figure.)

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Wasn't it for Meredith Kercher who tragically lost her life, this would actually be funny.


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Steve Moore, who when he first hit the tv screens assured he wasn't in it for the money, has in the meantime published two books.

In an interview with the West Seattle Herald

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1) Which TV and radio shows you have appeared on to the point of arriving in Seattle?

The TODAY Show, The Early Show, Good Morning America, Good Morning TV: ITV Britain, Fox and Friends, KING5, Frank Shiers-KIRO, Gayle King- Oprah Radio XM.

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3) Are you trying to personally profit from all the media attention you are receiving?

I am not being paid. I am not writing a book. I do not want to get rich. I am not trying to get famous. I do not want to interfere with the family, so I want to be in communication with them.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I didn't know that policemen sign arrest warrants. I thought only a judge or magistrate can do that. Also, why would you need dozens of policemen to sign two warrants?

Steve Moore is incompetent, crazy, or both.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
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Wasn't it for Meredith Kercher who tragically lost her life, this would actually be funny.

[...]

True. I wonder why they feel the need to mention John Kercher Jr. working for BBC. It is beyond me how you could even suggest that the Kercher family was trying to implicate Amanda for ... what reason, actually? They lost their loved daughter in a very gruesome way and they can't put this horiffic memory to rest and remember her for being the human being that she was. Instead they have to spend years listening to the media bias and those attention whores trying to present themselves as innocent. I'm disgusted!

Putting all the evidence aside. I always like to put myself into the position of others to try and understand what's really working in their mind. But despite trying for so long to understand Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, I just can't help myself but not one of their words would have come out of my mouth if I was in fact falsely accused of killing someone. Neither would I have written any sort of book regarding a crime that I was wrongfully linked to, nor would I feel the need to please the sensationalizing media with my story. The only explanation for their statements is that they know more than they are willing to admit and regarding the seriousness of this case I can't help but come to the conclusion that they would have to confess to the crime they are being convicted of.

All these groupies refuse to see these facts. If Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were innocent, they could easily come up with some answers to get themselves out of the spotlight.


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Regarding Steve Moore. He has to be in this for the sole purpose of getting attention and making money. He is a clown, I didn't want to go to deep into his background while researching as I've already wasted enough time reading some of his articles on Injustice in Perugia and listening to his presentation of the crime scene.

Amanda and her people should have been a lot more selective when choosing their affiliates, but then again - who wants to work for a narcissistic murderer?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Schdiwi, there has been a lot of criticism of the justice system in Italy, especially now that Guede is eligible for day release. I looked online for similar court rulings in Europe. I read that the German court system is based on the Italian court system. Is there a similar abbreviated trial option in Germany? Are young offenders, in the age range of 18-25, given additional consideration regarding treatment that faciliates re-integration to society?
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I see at .org there has been a call to re-name G-Man Steve Moore more appropriately.

How about G-STRING Man, since he is UNDIE-niably an idiot?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Schdiwi, there has been a lot of criticism of the justice system in Italy, especially now that Guede is eligible for day release. I looked online for similar court rulings in Europe. I read that the German court system is based on the Italian court system. Is there a similar abbreviated trial option in Germany? Are young offenders, in the age range of 18-25, given additional consideration regarding treatment that faciliates re-integration to society?

First, I want to clarify that I'm a novice, even in my home country, when it comes to law. So, there's no guarantee on this.

I checked a little to give you some (hopefully) solid facts:

There is an abbreviated trial, but it is up to the prosecution to ask for it and the sentence is limited to a maximum of 1 year. So, not an option in case of a murder, I guess.

Young offenders in the age range of 14 - 17 face penalties between 6 months and 5 years. In case of a major offense, which would normally be punished above 10 years, the maximum is 10 years for those youths. Offenders in the range of 18 - 20 years may be treated under the same limiting factors if the court rules them to be immature, though they would have to face a maximum time of 15 years for a major crime. Apparently in 2010 there have been 66% of the convicted 18 - 20 year olds been treated as youths. The main purpose of their penalties is to re-integrate them into the society and prevent any future run-ins with the law. Above that age they are treated as adults under regular law.

I'm also a critic of Rudy's work-release. But as it seems, we share this method of re-integrating convicts. There is a separation, we have a "closed" prison and the "open" prison. Convicts in "open" prison are allowed to leave the prison to work outside, but they have to return in the evening to stay in prison for the next morning. I think that sounds comparable to Rudy Guede's situation in Italy right now. It seems we allow this to convicted murderers after serving most of their sentence aswell.

I hope I was able to answer your questions. I'm sorry about possible inconsistencies, but I'm not studying law. :P

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Jester wrote:
guermantes wrote:
In the meantime, Rudy Guede has written another letter, posted on the Facebook page 'Processo e dintorni. Storie di vite e storie di giustizia' ('Process and its surroundings. Stories of lives and stories of justice').

Meredith: Guede, "Now I speak . About me too much falsehood"

Perugia, February 11 - " Against me are made continuous false imaginative reconstructions for the sole purpose of wanting to denigrate my figure and person, systematically and in a negative way in the public eye and not just Italian." That's what he wrote in his own hand on the Facebook page ' Process and its surroundings. Stories of lives and stories of justice ' , Rudy Hermann Guede , the young Ivorian sentenced to 16 years in prison for the murder of Meredith Kercher . A sheet of notebook paper handwritten and signed by Guede. "To my regret - the letter reads - I'm forced to take a pen and paper and write just for the sake of truth and all those thousands of people who still believe in justice, but they can not access all the trial components this sad extremely complex legal case consists of and dramatically painful for those who lived it . Notwithstanding my sentence and 'res judicata', for too long I have been a witness to a continuous and willful manipulation and alteration of the data of the proceedings. Against me are made continuous false imaginative reconstructions for the sole purpose of wanting to denigrate my figure and person, systematically and in a negative way in the public eye and not just Italian . "

"The final judgment as I'm concerned (apart from a few false imaginative reconstructions ) I was acquitted of theft and simulation of crime, a fact that is never heard or mentioned in the various journalistic reconstructions - the letter continues - I also want to point out I do not accept in any way to be continually held up as a drifter , a thief, a homeless , seeing my person and my dignity offended continually , denigrated and stereotyped by facts and things that do not belong to me, through serious prejudicial defamation ..., yet still , when I had ( beyond my personal experiences ), a beautiful family and squeaky clean record and friendly relations in Perugia " .


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Guede: "I was acquitted of theft and simulation of crime, a fact that is never heard or mentioned in the various journalistic reconstructions - the letter continues - I also want to point out I do not accept in any way to be continually held up as a drifter , a thief, a homeless , seeing my person and my dignity offended continually , denigrated and stereotyped by facts and things that do not belong to me, through serious prejudicial defamation"

This is an interesting statement. It seems to be directed towards those that tell the Lone Wolf story. In every version of Knox and Sollecito are Innocent, Guede is a thieving, drug dealing drifter. He seems to be pointing out that this is not true. Is that his way of saying that the Lone Wolf story isn't true? He's not denying that he resides in the sex offender wing of the prison, or that he participated in a murder, only that how he has been depicted is not accurate.

Were the break-ins all close together in terms of dates?

Sorry Rudy...I do not want to hear your name, until you tell the truth to Kerchers. Go away
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Schdiwi wrote:
Jester wrote:
Schdiwi, there has been a lot of criticism of the justice system in Italy, especially now that Guede is eligible for day release. I looked online for similar court rulings in Europe. I read that the German court system is based on the Italian court system. Is there a similar abbreviated trial option in Germany? Are young offenders, in the age range of 18-25, given additional consideration regarding treatment that faciliates re-integration to society?

First, I want to clarify that I'm a novice, even in my home country, when it comes to law. So, there's no guarantee on this.

I checked a little to give you some (hopefully) solid facts:

There is an abbreviated trial, but it is up to the prosecution to ask for it and the sentence is limited to a maximum of 1 year. So, not an option in case of a murder, I guess.

Young offenders in the age range of 14 - 17 face penalties between 6 months and 5 years. In case of a major offense, which would normally be punished above 10 years, the maximum is 10 years for those youths. Offenders in the range of 18 - 20 years may be treated under the same limiting factors if the court rules them to be immature, though they would have to face a maximum time of 15 years for a major crime. Apparently in 2010 there have been 66% of the convicted 18 - 20 year olds been treated as youths. The main purpose of their penalties is to re-integrate them into the society and prevent any future run-ins with the law. Above that age they are treated as adults under regular law.

I'm also a critic of Rudy's work-release. But as it seems, we share this method of re-integrating convicts. There is a separation, we have a "closed" prison and the "open" prison. Convicts in "open" prison are allowed to leave the prison to work outside, but they have to return in the evening to stay in prison for the next morning. I think that sounds comparable to Rudy Guede's situation in Italy right now. It seems we allow this to convicted murderers after serving most of their sentence aswell.

I hope I was able to answer your questions. I'm sorry about possible inconsistencies, but I'm not studying law. :P


Thank you for looking into that! That is what I thought, but it's good to have it confirmed by someone that is fluent in German! It's seems to me that any criticism of Italy regarding it's justicial process should also be made against Germany, and I would expect Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands, perhaps France. I don't know that, but I would think that the EU would have a uniform set of beliefs regarding how to address the problem of criminal activities in young adults.

In comparison to how the US treats offenders, every westernized country in the world appears lenient. The US sentences children to life in prison, and either kills adults that commit murder or puts them in prison until they die. The EU would be the other side of the coin, where especially young adults are given every opportunity get back on track and have a productive life. I wanted to understand this because it makes it easier to view the criticism of the Italian process as a criticism of the EU process (although that may be generalizing), and to thereby discredit it. Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

tamale wrote:
Jester wrote:
guermantes wrote:
In the meantime, Rudy Guede has written another letter, posted on the Facebook page 'Processo e dintorni. Storie di vite e storie di giustizia' ('Process and its surroundings. Stories of lives and stories of justice').

Meredith: Guede, "Now I speak . About me too much falsehood"

Perugia, February 11 - " Against me are made continuous false imaginative reconstructions for the sole purpose of wanting to denigrate my figure and person, systematically and in a negative way in the public eye and not just Italian." That's what he wrote in his own hand on the Facebook page ' Process and its surroundings. Stories of lives and stories of justice ' , Rudy Hermann Guede , the young Ivorian sentenced to 16 years in prison for the murder of Meredith Kercher . A sheet of notebook paper handwritten and signed by Guede. "To my regret - the letter reads - I'm forced to take a pen and paper and write just for the sake of truth and all those thousands of people who still believe in justice, but they can not access all the trial components this sad extremely complex legal case consists of and dramatically painful for those who lived it . Notwithstanding my sentence and 'res judicata', for too long I have been a witness to a continuous and willful manipulation and alteration of the data of the proceedings. Against me are made continuous false imaginative reconstructions for the sole purpose of wanting to denigrate my figure and person, systematically and in a negative way in the public eye and not just Italian . "

"The final judgment as I'm concerned (apart from a few false imaginative reconstructions ) I was acquitted of theft and simulation of crime, a fact that is never heard or mentioned in the various journalistic reconstructions - the letter continues - I also want to point out I do not accept in any way to be continually held up as a drifter , a thief, a homeless , seeing my person and my dignity offended continually , denigrated and stereotyped by facts and things that do not belong to me, through serious prejudicial defamation ..., yet still , when I had ( beyond my personal experiences ), a beautiful family and squeaky clean record and friendly relations in Perugia " .


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Guede: "I was acquitted of theft and simulation of crime, a fact that is never heard or mentioned in the various journalistic reconstructions - the letter continues - I also want to point out I do not accept in any way to be continually held up as a drifter , a thief, a homeless , seeing my person and my dignity offended continually , denigrated and stereotyped by facts and things that do not belong to me, through serious prejudicial defamation"

This is an interesting statement. It seems to be directed towards those that tell the Lone Wolf story. In every version of Knox and Sollecito are Innocent, Guede is a thieving, drug dealing drifter. He seems to be pointing out that this is not true. Is that his way of saying that the Lone Wolf story isn't true? He's not denying that he resides in the sex offender wing of the prison, or that he participated in a murder, only that how he has been depicted is not accurate.

Were the break-ins all close together in terms of dates?

Sorry Rudy...I do not want to hear your name, until you tell the truth to Kerchers. Go away


Do you think that the Kerchers want to hear from Guede? What should Guede say that he hasn't already said? He has told the court that he participated in the murder and the evidence speaks for itself. He is a convicted sex offender and murderer. Everyone knows this. I don't think that he can change his story without running into problems for himself, and I don't see the upside of telling the family the same story that he has already told.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I'm not sure that I follow you, Jester. Are you saying that Guede has nothing more he can say? This entire media debacle would end in a whimper if he opened his mouth and told exactly what happened that night. In plain and simple words.

I certainly can't speak to whether the Kerchers want to hear from him. But, I'd be willing to bet that they aren't interested in reading his self-serving whining, either. He may be scared, and maybe he can't see an up-side, as you put it, but, if he is going to speak, to me, that letter isn't the way to do it. He's scared and insulted, but Meredith is dead. Trumps every issue he's having, in my book.
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I'm not sure that I follow you, Jester. Are you saying that Guede has nothing more he can say? This entire media debacle would end in a whimper if he opened his mouth and told exactly what happened that night. In plain and simple words.

I certainly can't speak to whether the Kerchers want to hear from him. But, I'd be willing to bet that they aren't interested in reading his self-serving whining, either. He may be scared, and maybe he can't see an up-side, as you put it, but, if he is going to speak, to me, that letter isn't the way to do it. He's scared and insulted, but Meredith is dead. Trumps every issue he's having, in my book.


I don't think I've ever heard of someone having study/work release from prison, while serving a sentence for murder, and suddenly the media or the public expect that convicted murderer to talk about the murder. I don't think that happens and it seems unrealistic to expect that.

I get that people are disappointed that the justice system has provisions that allow for people like Guede to have probationary release after serving a portion of the sentence. I don't get that people expect Guede to step into the media spotlight and discuss the reasons for his criminal conviction. Knox and Sollecito have owned the media since the murder, so maybe there's an expectation that Guede should follow in their footsteps, but I would think that the prison rules would be quite strict about him publicly discussing his case or contacting his victim's family. He can say that he's not a drifter, a drug dealer and a thief, but that's probably the extent of what he is allowed to say. Furthermore, Guede is a convicted murderer and sex offender that lies, just like the other two convicted murderers. Why would the victim's family, or anyone for that matter, want any contact with him? I don't think that reasonable people care what Knox and Sollecito have to say and the same applies to Guede. These are violent, dangerous people, not nice people that have tea with their victim's families and explain what happened during the last minutes in the life of their loved one.

I suppose I am equally baffled by the idea that convicted murderers should be given a voice.

It's possible that Guede has permission to use social media, but that will definitely be monitored. Why anyone would be interested in following his social media eludes me. If Ted Bundy was released from prison, rather than executed, what sort of people would search out his social media remarks?
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You've lost me, Jester. I am not interested in following Guede through social media. Period. I thought his letter was ridiculous and self-serving. Nonsense. I'm trying to be clear here. The only thing I'd want to read would be to see that he was addressing comments of remorse to the Kerchers. And, since he was taking the opportunity to publicly address issues, the only thing that I would have been interested in seeing was a simple explanation of the facts.

I am in no way suggesting that he should have a voice. He DID have a voice. He wrote a letter. I read it. It was bullshit. I agree with tamale that he should just go away.
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You've lost me, Jester. I am not interested in following Guede through social media. Period. I thought his letter was ridiculous and self-serving. Nonsense. I'm trying to be clear here. The only thing I'd want to read would be to see that he was addressing comments of remorse to the Kerchers. And, since he was taking the opportunity to publicly address issues, the only thing that I would have been interested in seeing was a simple explanation of the facts.

I am in no way suggesting that he should have a voice. He DID have a voice. He wrote a letter. I read it. It was bullshit. I agree with tamale that he should just go away.


I think we probably agree that he should be silenced, as no one is interested in anything he has to say. I wish the other two convicted murderers would be silenced as well.

What I was trying to understand in his statement is the reasons behind what he did say. The only thing that I can take away from it is that he is claiming that the lone wolf theory is propped up with the drifter, thief, drug dealing premise, and that this is false, therefore the lone wolf theory is false. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.
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The Moores, embarrassing themselves again on Deadline Hollywood on the subject of Who Is Harry Rag?


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Jackie.......Brilliant m'love. You never disappoint :)


When it comes to beautiful blondes who drive black Range Rovers, I make a point of never disappointing ;-)

P.S. Is Charlie still after you? pro-)
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Jackie wrote:
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Jackie.......Brilliant m'love. You never disappoint :)


When it comes to beautiful blondes who drive black Range Rovers, I make a point of never disappointing ;-)

P.S. Is Charlie still after you? pro-)


Damn Straight :)....

Chahlie? That was just an encounter.of .which I'll wager he remembers nothing. drin-)

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The Moores, embarrassing themselves again on Deadline Hollywood on the subject of Who Is Harry Rag?


JESTER!! If Michelle sees this she'll go NUTS!! Oh wait.... ;)

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I'm so thankful we don't have these crazies on our side. Although..I'm quite happy to read them continually making fools of themselves. But..they live in a Fool's Paradise..and so are prolly quite unaware.

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Jackie..On Examiner.com..they had your pic of Knox..with Dexter. It's Gold Medal Worthy. pp-(

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capealadin wrote:
Ergon wrote:
The Moores, embarrassing themselves again on Deadline Hollywood on the subject of Who Is Harry Rag?


JESTER!! If Michelle sees this she'll go NUTS!! Oh wait.... ;)


I'm still looking for a nice picture of his wife - she's nuts.
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Jester wrote:
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Ergon wrote:
The Moores, embarrassing themselves again on Deadline Hollywood on the subject of Who Is Harry Rag?


JESTER!! If Michelle sees this she'll go NUTS!! Oh wait.... ;)


I'm still looking for a nice picture of his wife - she's nuts.


There's one where she looks like a horse..... :mrgreen:

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For those who are not reading Twitter: Doug Bremner has compared the Kerchers to the Nazis.

He is like the male version of Michelle Moore.


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Amanda Knox has written a piece on her blog in response to the many messages parodying her plead of innocence. Nothing new. I noticed she now too uses the word hate and haters to describe those who don't believe in her innocence. She also assures that she knows better and declares that most people of Perugia believe in her innocence and support her.

The word hate appears 15 times in her article and it has been tagged with the keywords hate and haters among others.
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The Amanda Knox documentary that will be playing on BBC 3 is a production of NBC News Peacock Productions, their News division's production arm since 2007.
http://www.televisual.com/news-detail/K ... -3916.html That means, as we go into the Supreme Court hearings, it may be playing in several countries, including the US. As counterbalance to CNN and ABC, it is very good news!
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Another Knoxia parody. I am told it is in the Perugian dialect? :)

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Nell wrote:
Amanda Knox has written a piece on her blog in response to the many messages parodying her plead of innocence. Nothing new. I noticed she now too uses the word hate and haters to describe those who don't believe in her innocence. She also assures that she knows better and declares that most people of Perugia believe in her innocence and support her.

The word hate appears 15 times in her article and it has been tagged with the keywords hate and haters among others.

That is the word the groupies always use. Maybe one of them wrote it?
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Jester wrote:
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Schdiwi, there has been a lot of criticism of the justice system in Italy, especially now that Guede is eligible for day release. I looked online for similar court rulings in Europe. I read that the German court system is based on the Italian court system. Is there a similar abbreviated trial option in Germany? Are young offenders, in the age range of 18-25, given additional consideration regarding treatment that faciliates re-integration to society?

First, I want to clarify that I'm a novice, even in my home country, when it comes to law. So, there's no guarantee on this.

I checked a little to give you some (hopefully) solid facts:

There is an abbreviated trial, but it is up to the prosecution to ask for it and the sentence is limited to a maximum of 1 year. So, not an option in case of a murder, I guess.

Young offenders in the age range of 14 - 17 face penalties between 6 months and 5 years. In case of a major offense, which would normally be punished above 10 years, the maximum is 10 years for those youths. Offenders in the range of 18 - 20 years may be treated under the same limiting factors if the court rules them to be immature, though they would have to face a maximum time of 15 years for a major crime. Apparently in 2010 there have been 66% of the convicted 18 - 20 year olds been treated as youths. The main purpose of their penalties is to re-integrate them into the society and prevent any future run-ins with the law. Above that age they are treated as adults under regular law.

I'm also a critic of Rudy's work-release. But as it seems, we share this method of re-integrating convicts. There is a separation, we have a "closed" prison and the "open" prison. Convicts in "open" prison are allowed to leave the prison to work outside, but they have to return in the evening to stay in prison for the next morning. I think that sounds comparable to Rudy Guede's situation in Italy right now. It seems we allow this to convicted murderers after serving most of their sentence aswell.

I hope I was able to answer your questions. I'm sorry about possible inconsistencies, but I'm not studying law. :P


Thank you for looking into that! That is what I thought, but it's good to have it confirmed by someone that is fluent in German! It's seems to me that any criticism of Italy regarding it's justicial process should also be made against Germany, and I would expect Belgium, Switzerland, the Netherlands, perhaps France. I don't know that, but I would think that the EU would have a uniform set of beliefs regarding how to address the problem of criminal activities in young adults.

In comparison to how the US treats offenders, every westernized country in the world appears lenient. The US sentences children to life in prison, and either kills adults that commit murder or puts them in prison until they die. The EU would be the other side of the coin, where especially young adults are given every opportunity get back on track and have a productive life. I wanted to understand this because it makes it easier to view the criticism of the Italian process as a criticism of the EU process (although that may be generalizing), and to thereby discredit it. Thanks again!

Yes, there's a big difference when it comes to the intentions of prison terms in the US compared to the German system. While we are also having very long sentences for child molesters as deterrence, the main goal is always rehabilitation and the protection of the society. In contrast to that, I would guess that the main reasons for US penalties is punishment and maybe even retribution. We could probably argue about this for a very long time which system or which aspects are better.
Personally, I think it is wrong to let someone like Rudy Guede out of prison this early. He isn't that young and I doubt his value for society, I would expect someone like him to return to commiting crimes soon after release to acquire money. Maybe that wouldn't be his fault, because people will probably be hesitant offering him a job - especially regarding his "prominence" in Italy.

You are welcome by the way, I'm glad I was able to help you. :)


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You've lost me, Jester. I am not interested in following Guede through social media. Period. I thought his letter was ridiculous and self-serving. Nonsense. I'm trying to be clear here. The only thing I'd want to read would be to see that he was addressing comments of remorse to the Kerchers. And, since he was taking the opportunity to publicly address issues, the only thing that I would have been interested in seeing was a simple explanation of the facts.

I am in no way suggesting that he should have a voice. He DID have a voice. He wrote a letter. I read it. It was bullshit. I agree with tamale that he should just go away.


I think we probably agree that he should be silenced, as no one is interested in anything he has to say. I wish the other two convicted murderers would be silenced as well.

What I was trying to understand in his statement is the reasons behind what he did say. The only thing that I can take away from it is that he is claiming that the lone wolf theory is propped up with the drifter, thief, drug dealing premise, and that this is false, therefore the lone wolf theory is false. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.

Sad to say, but they should definitely be silenced! One would actually expect the media to turn their backs to people like them and not give them any room for "exclusive interviews".

I don't think that is wishful thinking on your part. Sounds quite reasonable to me. I thought they were always taking small stabs at each other while writing letters. It all started back in 2007. (e.g. Sollecito revoking his alibi for AK, Knox starts questioning RS credibility and asks why he would have to lie about the alibi, also mentions fish blood on RS hands, Guede writes about all the blood in the hallway while in prison in Germany etc.)
In my opinion that is their way of communicating. They always reminded each other that they are in this together and as soon as one starts to talk, the others won't hesitate a second to drag him into this aswell.


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I'm out of words, these people are sick. Really sick...

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You've lost me, Jester. I am not interested in following Guede through social media. Period. I thought his letter was ridiculous and self-serving. Nonsense. I'm trying to be clear here. The only thing I'd want to read would be to see that he was addressing comments of remorse to the Kerchers. And, since he was taking the opportunity to publicly address issues, the only thing that I would have been interested in seeing was a simple explanation of the facts.

I am in no way suggesting that he should have a voice. He DID have a voice. He wrote a letter. I read it. It was bullshit. I agree with tamale that he should just go away.


I think we probably agree that he should be silenced, as no one is interested in anything he has to say. I wish the other two convicted murderers would be silenced as well.

What I was trying to understand in his statement is the reasons behind what he did say. The only thing that I can take away from it is that he is claiming that the lone wolf theory is propped up with the drifter, thief, drug dealing premise, and that this is false, therefore the lone wolf theory is false. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.


I don't think it's wishful thinking at all, Jester. I stated upthread that I was struck from the very beginning of my reading how the three appear to be locked in some sort of dance. They all seem to fire soft volleys at each other, then back off. One step forward, two steps back. Almost as if there are veiled threats imbedded in their statements.
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Yes, there's a big difference when it comes to the intentions of prison terms in the US compared to the German system. While we are also having very long sentences for child molesters as deterrence, the main goal is always rehabilitation and the protection of the society. In contrast to that, I would guess that the main reasons for US penalties is punishment and maybe even retribution. We could probably argue about this for a very long time which system or which aspects are better.
Personally, I think it is wrong to let someone like Rudy Guede out of prison this early. He isn't that young and I doubt his value for society, I would expect someone like him to return to commiting crimes soon after release to acquire money. Maybe that wouldn't be his fault, because people will probably be hesitant offering him a job - especially regarding his "prominence" in Italy.

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Sad to say, but they should definitely be silenced! One would actually expect the media to turn their backs to people like them and not give them any room for "exclusive interviews".

I don't think that is wishful thinking on your part. Sounds quite reasonable to me. I thought they were always taking small stabs at each other while writing letters. It all started back in 2007. (e.g. Sollecito revoking his alibi for AK, Knox starts questioning RS credibility and asks why he would have to lie about the alibi, also mentions fish blood on RS hands, Guede writes about all the blood in the hallway while in prison in Germany etc.)
In my opinion that is their way of communicating. They always reminded each other that they are in this together and as soon as one starts to talk, the others won't hesitate a second to drag him into this as well.


Guede was 20 at the time of the murder, just like Knox. I don't have high hopes for Guede remaining out of prison, but I think there is a very small window that he can step through where he can be a productive, contributing member of society.

That's an interesting point about how they communicate with each other. Sollecito has said that he should not be judged because of his association with a peculiar woman (telling Knox that he's going to protect his own interests now), Guede has said that he may be a sex offender and murderer, but he's not a drifter, drug dealer and thief, suggesting that he's no different than Knox and Sollecito. Knox led Sollecito to believe that there was something between them until she was safe in Seattle and then she basically turned her back on him. He finally understood that in July, 2013. In terms of the dynamics between the three, it seems that Guede and Sollecito are giving notice to Knox that she should be careful. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but that might suggest that, per the prosecution theory, she was the ringleader on the night of the murder.
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I think we probably agree that he should be silenced, as no one is interested in anything he has to say. I wish the other two convicted murderers would be silenced as well.

What I was trying to understand in his statement is the reasons behind what he did say. The only thing that I can take away from it is that he is claiming that the lone wolf theory is propped up with the drifter, thief, drug dealing premise, and that this is false, therefore the lone wolf theory is false. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.


I don't think it's wishful thinking at all, Jester. I stated upthread that I was struck from the very beginning of my reading how the three appear to be locked in some sort of dance. They all seem to fire soft volleys at each other, then back off. One step forward, two steps back. Almost as if there are veiled threats imbedded in their statements.


Thanks. This is something I didn't see before, but it looks like that is what is going on between them. The veil of silence is fractured, but not yet collapsed.
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For those who are not reading Twitter: Doug Bremner has compared the Kerchers to the Nazis.

He is like the male version of Michelle Moore.


Isn't he a psychiatrist? If he's going to make statements like that, he should point out that the Nazis exterminated Jews, Gypsies, the mentally challenged, and the physically disabled. How can a psychiatrist overlook the other two demographic groups?

As an educated man, how can he be so confused that he believes that the families of victims are responsible for the conviction of criminals? I think that Maresca really got under Knox's skin and that she blames him for her conviction. In this line of thinking, she then blames Meredith and her family for her problems. For a psychiatrist to agree with that line of thinking suggests to me that the man cannot be useful to patients. Surrounded by people like that, it's not surprising that Knox is unable to move forward in life.
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Thanks. If I understand correctly, Guede led a rather normal life, for a 20 year old, until 1-4 months prior to the murder. Then, for some reason, he became involved in break and enter crimes. The timing is interesting, because something similar is said of Knox. She apparently led a normal life in Seattle and then, 3-4 months before the murder, she changed in terms of throwing away her job in Germany, taking advantage of her relatives, and living a more high risk lifestyle.

What Guede seems to be saying is that there's a short period in his life where he made very bad choices, but that those few months do not define him. Knox says the same thing about that time period in her life. In fact, those few months will always define both of them, but today, Guede is not a drifter, drug dealing thief and Knox is not an irresponsible, drug crazed, hook up.


@Jester, what is normal? He did have a more difficult childhood http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/R ... mann_Guede (source: Darkness Descending Paul Russell) and the loss of connection with his real father, the adoptive family relationship with the Caporalis breaking down, then losing his job in Milan, must have affected him deeply. A contemporary of Knox- just six months older, they seemed to have started 'acting out' almost simultaneously as soon as the lack of control/direction became apparent. Knox, earlier, if the stories of her drug/alcohol bingeing (source: Angel Face Barbie Nadeau) and self-medicating can be believed.

Note: This is where the Knoxii really started getting on my case, when I commented on a photo of hers, that according to Traditional Chinese Medicine principles her tongue showed signs of heavy alcohol/drug abuse. The SNP candidate "Rolfe", who probably hates TCM as much as she hates homeopathy, declared a jihad right then and there. I, of course, note that she also believes there was a cover up over Pan Am Flight 103, so she must have quite an interesting relationship with Wikipedia administrator Slim Virgin, who keeps tight reign on all stories about the Lockerbie bombing. Interesting, given that the two must surely share notes over how to control the Meredith Kercher Wikipedia page :(
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Amanda Knox has written a piece on her blog in response to the many messages parodying her plead of innocence. Nothing new. I noticed she now too uses the word hate and haters to describe those who don't believe in her innocence. She also assures that she knows better and declares that most people of Perugia believe in her innocence and support her.

The word hate appears 15 times in her article and it has been tagged with the keywords hate and haters among others.


Interesting. Jodi Arias ( Born the same day as Knox...and awaiting her Death Penalty trial for murdering her ex-boyfriend..stabbed him 29 times..slit his throat..) says the same thing. Called a reporter a hater..because he asked pointed questions to her. ( I believe she said one bad mistake did not define her. huh-)

Knox..highly manipulative..totally self absorbed..cannot handle rejection in any form. Knox that day..was rejected by Patrick..( demoting her..choosing Meredith to work in the bar...Knox..feeling rejected by Meredith..who did not meet up with her the night before..and didn't want Knox as her bestie. Meredith with the young man downstairs..( whom Knox fancied).

Meredith..everything that Knox wanted to be..and wasn't. ( people who are psycopaths..who cannot handle rejection..will get rid of the source of that pain.) Most people hurt and get over it. NOT psycopaths like Knox and Arias.

In their narcissistic way..* If you don't believe me..then you're a hater *. These people live in an alternate Universe. And..there is no cure.

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For those who are not reading Twitter: Doug Bremner has compared the Kerchers to the Nazis.

He is like the male version of Michelle Moore.


Isn't he a psychiatrist? If he's going to make statements like that, he should point out that the Nazis exterminated Jews, Gypsies, the mentally challenged, and the physically disabled. How can a psychiatrist overlook the other two demographic groups?

As an educated man, how can he be so confused that he believes that the families of victims are responsible for the conviction of criminals? I think that Maresca really got under Knox's skin and that she blames him for her conviction. In this line of thinking, she then blames Meredith and her family for her problems. For a psychiatrist to agree with that line of thinking suggests to me that the man cannot be useful to patients. Surrounded by people like that, it's not surprising that Knox is unable to move forward in life.


Doug Bremner IS educated and has quite a nice c.v., truth be told http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Bremner All it proves though is education is no bar to mass hysteria, a phenomenon I am sure he knows all about :)
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Someone in the medical profession once told me that Pyschiatrists become such because they want to understand why THEY'RE nuts. I now see a lot of truth in that.

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Jester wrote:
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For those who are not reading Twitter: Doug Bremner has compared the Kerchers to the Nazis.

He is like the male version of Michelle Moore.


Isn't he a psychiatrist? If he's going to make statements like that, he should point out that the Nazis exterminated Jews, Gypsies, the mentally challenged, and the physically disabled. How can a psychiatrist overlook the other two demographic groups?

As an educated man, how can he be so confused that he believes that the families of victims are responsible for the conviction of criminals? I think that Maresca really got under Knox's skin and that she blames him for her conviction. In this line of thinking, she then blames Meredith and her family for her problems. For a psychiatrist to agree with that line of thinking suggests to me that the man cannot be useful to patients. Surrounded by people like that, it's not surprising that Knox is unable to move forward in life.


Doug Bremner is an attention seeker. He was well aware that his comment would attract negative comments. He has shamelessly plugged his book and blog that otherwise no one would read by attaching it to his support for Amanda Knox.

Before that, he claimed "Harry Rag" was in fact John Kercher Jr. and that the Kerchers have spearheaded a 6 years PR campaign against Amanda Knox. He said recently on Twitter he had proof John Kercher Jr. was Harry Rag, but when asked for it he responded he didn't "feel like sharing it".
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In the meantime, Rudy Guede has written another letter, posted on the Facebook page 'Processo e dintorni. Storie di vite e storie di giustizia' ('Process and its surroundings. Stories of lives and stories of justice').

Meredith: Guede, "Now I speak . About me too much falsehood"

Perugia, February 11 - " Against me are made continuous false imaginative reconstructions for the sole purpose of wanting to denigrate my figure and person, systematically and in a negative way in the public eye and not just Italian." That's what he wrote in his own hand on the Facebook page ' Process and its surroundings. Stories of lives and stories of justice ' , Rudy Hermann Guede , the young Ivorian sentenced to 16 years in prison for the murder of Meredith Kercher . A sheet of notebook paper handwritten and signed by Guede. "To my regret - the letter reads - I'm forced to take a pen and paper and write just for the sake of truth and all those thousands of people who still believe in justice, but they can not access all the trial components this sad extremely complex legal case consists of and dramatically painful for those who lived it . Notwithstanding my sentence and 'res judicata', for too long I have been a witness to a continuous and willful manipulation and alteration of the data of the proceedings. Against me are made continuous false imaginative reconstructions for the sole purpose of wanting to denigrate my figure and person, systematically and in a negative way in the public eye and not just Italian . "

"The final judgment as I'm concerned (apart from a few false imaginative reconstructions ) I was acquitted of theft and simulation of crime, a fact that is never heard or mentioned in the various journalistic reconstructions - the letter continues - I also want to point out I do not accept in any way to be continually held up as a drifter , a thief, a homeless , seeing my person and my dignity offended continually , denigrated and stereotyped by facts and things that do not belong to me, through serious prejudicial defamation ..., yet still , when I had ( beyond my personal experiences ), a beautiful family and squeaky clean record and friendly relations in Perugia " .


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Guede: "I was acquitted of theft and simulation of crime, a fact that is never heard or mentioned in the various journalistic reconstructions - the letter continues - I also want to point out I do not accept in any way to be continually held up as a drifter , a thief, a homeless , seeing my person and my dignity offended continually , denigrated and stereotyped by facts and things that do not belong to me, through serious prejudicial defamation"

This is an interesting statement. It seems to be directed towards those that tell the Lone Wolf story. In every version of Knox and Sollecito are Innocent, Guede is a thieving, drug dealing drifter. He seems to be pointing out that this is not true. Is that his way of saying that the Lone Wolf story isn't true? He's not denying that he resides in the sex offender wing of the prison, or that he participated in a murder, only that how he has been depicted is not accurate.

Were the break-ins all close together in terms of dates?

Sorry Rudy...I do not want to hear your name, until you tell the truth to Kerchers. Go away


Do you think that the Kerchers want to hear from Guede? What should Guede say that he hasn't already said? He has told the court that he participated in the murder and the evidence speaks for itself. He is a convicted sex offender and murderer. Everyone knows this. I don't think that he can change his story without running into problems for himself, and I don't see the upside of telling the family the same story that he has already told.


I cannot say about the Kerchers wanting to hear from Rudy. They did at one point say they wanted to hear the truth, and that was after the wacky Hellman verdict. If it were me in their position, I would give Rudy audience...once. I suppose I was irritated that he got in on the pity party with an inane statement about himself. For the record, I do not believe everything Rudy has said...
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Someone in the medical profession once told me that Pyschiatrists become such because they want to understand why THEY'RE nuts. I now see a lot of truth in that.


I was about to post that. That is exactly what they say. Often people choose to study psychology because they want to understand their own problems.
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It's obvious that the Bremners have serious problems. Bremner seems to share a lot of the same traits as Knox. Like to like.

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Brace yourself for more Sollecito, whining on TV. Like Knox, he's now speaking in the name of ALL wrongfully convicted, parroting her lines. He doesn't seem to have his own mind! These two murderers are like Siamese twins, joined at the hip, repeating each other's statements in turn.

Raffaele Sollecito again on tv: "I am innocent, I live a tragedy"
"For me and my family it's a huge tragedy," said Sollecito, convicted along with Amanda Knox for the murder of Meredith Kercher. The pugliese said that through the cameras he wants to explain the reasons for his innocence.

The former student of Perugia is back on television to speak again of the Meredith case and his mood. He did it in an interview that will be broadcast tomorrow 15 February on Sky Tg24. "For me and my family, it's a huge tragedy. Through the cameras I want to give my message and I hope to be able to make known to all the tragic facts of this matter and explain the reasons for my innocence. I had no reason to hurt Meredith Kercher, said Sollecito, who added he didn't have "a light in the future."

"I fight to understand how serious this flaw is in the system"- The former boyfriend of Amanda Knox recalled how the judiciary had withdrawn his identity cards and passport: "I don't know if I will achieve my dreams or anything I want to do. I have discussed with my friends and family to go abroad about a year ago, but I don't accept to abandon all people who truly care about me because of an [accusatory] theory ". "A theory – pointed out Sollecito – "remains a theory, and despite how much power those people who accuse me can get, I do not agree with them destroying my life". The young man convicted of the murder of Perugia said he would use the media to denounce the fact, "but there are many innocent people who have had a fate similar to mine and have been completely forgotten." Forgotten in a system – he explained – "when you construct a theory against a person, you create a dress of guilt that gets tattooed on him, and anything you say, whatever the truth, whatever are the facts, you go over and for them it becomes the absolute truth, regardless of everything and everyone". For these reasons, Sollecito said, he would fight to understand "how serious this flaw in the system is."


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Someone in the medical profession once told me that Pyschiatrists become such because they want to understand why THEY'RE nuts. I now see a lot of truth in that.


I was about to post that. That is exactly what they say. Often people chose to study psychology because they want to understand their own problems.



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Two weeks after the new ruling that sentenced him to 25 years for the murder of Meredith Kercher , Raffaele Sollecito is a guest on the first episode of L’Incontro (An Encounter), which airs tomorrow, February 15 at 21:30 (and will be repeated on Sunday at 18:30) on the all-news channel directed by Sarah Varetto.


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Suuuuure Raflles wasn't going to live abroad and abondon his family. No way..no how. Those marriage proposals> Pfft.

What a freaking LIAR!!

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Let them carry on..and on..and on. Overexposure = Boredom. There's nothing they can say that's going to change anyone's mind..one way or the other.

They may just succeed in people thinking : Methinks thou doest protest too much.

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Reading the comments section of many articles : Knox's campaign has been a disaster. I'll say :)

In fact..it seems that a large number of undeciders are now convinced of guilt. Pride comes before a fall. In Knox's case..her bizarre ego. She has SERIOUSLY erred in thinking the majority are with her. Btw...read her long letter about Perugia. Disjointed...incoherent. Makes absolutely no sense. I really think she's missing a link. She's taking creative writing at Univercity? Not helping. In fact..Fuhgddaboudit.

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Reading the comments section of many articles : Knox's campaign has been a disaster. I'll say :)

In fact..it seems that a large number of undeciders are now convinced of guilt. Pride comes before a fall. In Knox's case..her bizarre ego. She has SERIOUSLY erred in thinking the majority are with her. Btw...read her long letter about Perugia. Disjointed...incoherent. Makes absolutely no sense. I really think she's missing a link. She's taking creative writing at Univercity? Not helping. In fact..Fuhgddaboudit.


In all honesty, I believe the David Marriott PR campaign was a huge success until Amanda Knox was released from prison and started giving interviews. It went downhill from there.

Her interviews convinced many viewers, who had been promised by Edda Mellas and Curt Knox that Amanda Knox was a kind, honest and thoughtful person, that the opposite was true.

Matters got worse when she was connected to the internet and started her own blog. People could witness how outrageously cruel she actually is when she approved horrible verbal attacks targeting the Kerchers on her blog and demanded them to contact her personally.

Her Twitter presence does not help either. She follows people - some of them suspected to be family of hers - that stand out for their verbal attacks against the grieving Kerchers. Some of the comments are appalling.

I do not believe that her public image will ever recover from this.
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I so agree, Nell. I think THE most damaging was when Knox was asked By Diane Sawyer: Are you innocent? And there was this REALLY long pause...a really awkie time..and then Knox says I wish people wouldn't keep asking me that question.THAT was the time..( would have changed little) to be ummmm..a very good actress :)

I did not watch the interview...I just can't stomach the BS....but saw many comments on it.

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Reading the comments section of many articles : Knox's campaign has been a disaster. I'll say :)

In fact..it seems that a large number of undeciders are now convinced of guilt. Pride comes before a fall. In Knox's case..her bizarre ego. She has SERIOUSLY erred in thinking the majority are with her. Btw...read her long letter about Perugia. Disjointed...incoherent. Makes absolutely no sense. I really think she's missing a link. She's taking creative writing at Univercity? Not helping. In fact..Fuhgddaboudit.


In all honesty, I believe the David Marriott PR campaign was a huge success until Amanda Knox was released from prison and started giving interviews. It went downhill from there.

Her interviews convinced many viewers, who had been promised by Edda Mellas and Curt Knox that Amanda Knox was a kind, honest and thoughtful person, that the opposite was true.

Matters got worse when she was connected to the internet and started her own blog. People could witness how outrageously cruel she actually is when she approved horrible verbal attacks targeting the Kerchers on her blog and demanded them to contact her personally.

Her Twitter presence does not help either. She follows people - some of them suspected to be family of hers - that stand out for their verbal attacks against the grieving Kerchers. Some of the comments are appalling.

I do not believe that her public image will ever recover from this.


I agree. The Amanda Knox that was sold to the tabloids, while she was safely tucked away in jail, was a sympathetic figure. She was "not a foxy knoxy" who enlisted the help of friends to wear a disguise to prank her roommate. After she was released from prison and she opened her mouth, some people took a step back. After four years of hearing the same words in the same bizarre order in the same hard tone, it doesn't sell. Her attack on the victim's family, which started with a bold demand that the family speak to her before she would respect their lawyer's request, is shameful. Decent people see that as crossing the line. Once it's crossed, there is no stepping back.
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Right on. And..amidst this ..the Kerchers dignified behaviour. N0-one..bar the shameful Groupies,,could ever think that's OK to villify the victim or the Family.

I found one of the Twitter photos..parody wise..quite illuminating. Well, a lot of them. This one sttod out.

On the white paper..it read. I wrote an 800 page book about a night where I remember NOTHING.

Yeah. Spot on.

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Knox has friends that have achieved career success, including a judge, politician, retired FBI agent, psychiatrist, author, chemist, biologist, and talking heads. Why has no one been able to coach Knox into a clear understanding that it is simply wrong for the convicted murderer to attack the victim's family. Why can't a psychiatrist explain this simple concept: It is unacceptable in society to blame the victim when someone is caught committing a criminal act or is falsely accused of committing a criminal act. Neither situation is acceptable. Can't the retired FBI agent explain to Knox that the victim is an observer to, not a participant in, prosecution and conviction? The prosecution includes forensic evidence. The report is very clear in the conclusion that Sollecito's DNA is on Meredith's bra, so why does the chemist attempt to confuse with "alleles"? There is one other unidentified male contributor and that is irrelevant until there is a suspect for comparison. The biologist? Nothing to add except confusion? What about the author. That was the origin of delusional thinking. The author had a satanic cult theme with his Monster of Florence book. The prosecutor questioned the author, so the author unhappily left Italy. The author saw an opportunity with the Knox case to discredit the prosecutor through false accusations against the prosecutor of believing in satanic murder theories. The politician offers platitudes. The retired judge was probably looking to further his career when he got involved, now he's simply guilty of using office stationary without permission. All of them have one thing in common: self serving deception.
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capealadin wrote:
Right on. And..amidst this ..the Kerchers dignified behaviour. N0-one..bar the shameful Groupies,,could ever think that's OK to villify the victim or the Family.

I found one of the Twitter photos..parody wise..quite illuminating. Well, a lot of them. This one sttod out.

On the white paper..it read. I wrote an 800 page book about a night where I remember NOTHING.

Yeah. Spot on.


Her book is 800 pages ???

That's like Julliette, or Vice Amply Rewarded by Marquis de Sade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliette_(novel)
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How does she manage to always get PR so terribly wrong when she has a professional paid for PR company constantly batting for her?

That photograph is so contrived. Black and white, a deliberately stark image with connotations of a mugshot of a criminal holding an identification board. Instead she has the plaintive sign that they are innocent. A sign but not a word. Still 'waiting to be heard' by a system that will not listen. Back in the real world she has disproved the whole image already by refusing, as ever, to SAY anything. She refuses to attend her own appeal, to ever take the stand and disprove the evidence. It is not waiting to be heard, it is waiting to be believed. A forlorn hope as the evidence stacks up.

A constant theme for six years has been the claim that the PR will win over by showing the public the 'real' Amanda and thereby convince them that she cannot possibly be anything other than a cross between Mother Theresa, Amelie and Florence Nightingale. Such an other worldly and naïve innocent child, incapable of hurting a living soul that she is unable to grasp the monstrous injustice being done to her. The whole case must therefore be a lot of contrived nonsense and the evidence can be dismissed out of hand without further ado and without proper examination. Uncle Sam says... Unfortunately for her, the 'real' Amanda shows through the contrived PR stunts and it says anything but the image they harp on. It reveals a self absorbed, deeply and casually dishonest, vindictive, manipulative and cowardly personality. The evidence was never going to be put aside by an aggressive PR campaign so the premise was deeply misguided.

I look past the contrived image and into those eyes. I see the attempt at a pained, bewildered expression but behind it I see resentment and aggression. Waiting to be heard? Waiting for an excuse to explode. I really don't like the person I see in that picture at all. I really do not.
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Jester wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Right on. And..amidst this ..the Kerchers dignified behaviour. N0-one..bar the shameful Groupies,,could ever think that's OK to villify the victim or the Family.

I found one of the Twitter photos..parody wise..quite illuminating. Well, a lot of them. This one sttod out.

On the white paper..it read. I wrote an 800 page book about a night where I remember NOTHING.

Yeah. Spot on.


Her book is 800 pages ???

That's like Julliette, or Vice Amply Rewarded by Marquis de Sade.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliette_(novel)



800 pages of 'Waiting to be heard'. What came out was 800 pages of saying nothing but self advancing lies and totally avoiding the real questions. Her book has the highest deluded and dishonest crap output per line since Mein Kampf. You could easily switch the self pitying titles from these two self absorbed liars books around. 1923 sees a self important, psychopathic dropout and believer in the 'Big Lie' and who thinks of himself as uniquely brilliant write a book called 'Waiting to be Heard' He then wears a permanent pained and aggressive expression over his lack of success. 2011 sees a self important, psychopathic dropout and believer in the 'Big Lie' who thinks of herself as uniquely brilliant write a book called 'My Struggle'. She then wears a permanent pained and aggressive expression over her lack of success.

Hitler slowly convinced a multitude by combining an extraordinary gift for oratory, a genuine mass movement that tapped his targets own fears and resentments within a society that had only restricted access to alternative information sources. Knox has none of those advantages. She will remain a 'waiting to convince' failure.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

SqueakEMouse wrote:
How does she manage to always get PR so terribly wrong when she has a professional paid for PR company constantly batting for her?

That photograph is so contrived. Black and white, a deliberately stark image with connotations of a mugshot of a criminal holding an identification board. Instead she has the plaintive sign that they are innocent. A sign but not a word. Still 'waiting to be heard' by a system that will not listen. Back in the real world she has disproved the whole image already by refusing, as ever, to SAY anything. She refuses to attend her own appeal, to ever take the stand and disprove the evidence. It is not waiting to be heard, it is waiting to be believed. A forlorn hope as the evidence stacks up.

A constant theme for six years has been the claim that the PR will win over by showing the public the 'real' Amanda and thereby convince them that she cannot possibly be anything other than a cross between Mother Theresa, Amelie and Florence Nightingale. Such an other worldly and naïve innocent child, incapable of hurting a living soul that she is unable to grasp the monstrous injustice being done to her. The whole case must therefore be a lot of contrived nonsense and the evidence can be dismissed out of hand without further ado and without proper examination. Uncle Sam says... Unfortunately for her, the 'real' Amanda shows through the contrived PR stunts and it says anything but the image they harp on. It reveals a self absorbed, deeply and casually dishonest, vindictive, manipulative and cowardly personality. The evidence was never going to be put aside by an aggressive PR campaign so the premise was deeply misguided.

I look past the contrived image and into those eyes. I see the attempt at a pained, bewildered expression but behind it I see resentment and aggression. Waiting to be heard? Waiting for an excuse to explode. I really don't like the person I see in that picture at all. I really do not.


I think that this is the ultimate irony. Those involved in her PR campaign probably never met her during her trial. I don't think they had access to her while she was in prison, did they? So, basically they were hired to sell a pig-in-a-poke to the world, while, in reality, they bought one themselves.

Can you imagine the reaction of the first PR people who had to deal with her? They had already created and sold a persona to the public, now, upon meeting her, what were they left to do?

She couldn't fit into their pre-created narrative of her, because that person doesn't exist.

And Gogerty Marriott still considers her one of their success stories. Bizarre.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.


Poor child...omg.

Love your photo games...thumbs up
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
Knox has friends that have achieved career success, including a judge, politician, retired FBI agent, psychiatrist, author, chemist, biologist, and talking heads. Why has no one been able to coach Knox into a clear understanding that it is simply wrong for the convicted murderer to attack the victim's family. Why can't a psychiatrist explain this simple concept: It is unacceptable in society to blame the victim when someone is caught committing a criminal act or is falsely accused of committing a criminal act. Neither situation is acceptable. Can't the retired FBI agent explain to Knox that the victim is an observer to, not a participant in, prosecution and conviction? The prosecution includes forensic evidence. The report is very clear in the conclusion that Sollecito's DNA is on Meredith's bra, so why does the chemist attempt to confuse with "alleles"? There is one other unidentified male contributor and that is irrelevant until there is a suspect for comparison. The biologist? Nothing to add except confusion? What about the author. That was the origin of delusional thinking. The author had a satanic cult theme with his Monster of Florence book. The prosecutor questioned the author, so the author unhappily left Italy. The author saw an opportunity with the Knox case to discredit the prosecutor through false accusations against the prosecutor of believing in satanic murder theories. The politician offers platitudes. The retired judge was probably looking to further his career when he got involved, now he's simply guilty of using office stationary without permission. All of them have one thing in common: self serving deception.


All the successful people you mention, Jester, had dreams of bigger things, media and political success, much dashed by the verdicts, and the reality of their own incompetence. Or they have got as far as they can in life, and nowhere to go but down, so it might be easy to blame others?

Gogerty Marriott only handles media access. The rest is being handled by her hangers on, with Knox in tight control of her own 'voice'. She wags her support group, not the other way around.

But in the end, as with OJ Simpson, it was the hangers on who got them into trouble. Karma is inexorable.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

tamale wrote:
Jester wrote:
The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.


Poor child...omg.

Love your photo games...thumbs up


Credit should be given to Nell, who found and started the meme generator, with the blank Knox placard we could all post our thoughts on. She's way too modest I think, but her contributions should be acknowledged.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:09 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

capealadin wrote:
Right on. And..amidst this ..the Kerchers dignified behaviour. N0-one..bar the shameful Groupies,,could ever think that's OK to villify the victim or the Family.

I found one of the Twitter photos..parody wise..quite illuminating. Well, a lot of them. This one sttod out.

On the white paper..it read. I wrote an 800 page book about a night where I remember NOTHING.

Yeah. Spot on.


457 pages, according to Amazon, but, having plowed through the entire book (borrowed from the library, not bought) it sure felt like 800 pages, cape.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

SqueakEMouse wrote:
Jester wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Right on. And..amidst this ..the Kerchers dignified behaviour. N0-one..bar the shameful Groupies,,could ever think that's OK to villify the victim or the Family.

I found one of the Twitter photos..parody wise..quite illuminating. Well, a lot of them. This one sttod out.

On the white paper..it read. I wrote an 800 page book about a night where I remember NOTHING.

Yeah. Spot on.


Her book is 800 pages ???

That's like Julliette, or Vice Amply Rewarded by Marquis de Sade.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliette_(novel)



800 pages of 'Waiting to be heard'. What came out was 800 pages of saying nothing but self advancing lies and totally avoiding the real questions. Her book has the highest deluded and dishonest crap output per line since Mein Kampf. You could easily switch the self pitying titles from these two self absorbed liars books around. 1923 sees a self important, psychopathic dropout and believer in the 'Big Lie' and who thinks of himself as uniquely brilliant write a book called 'Waiting to be Heard' He then wears a permanent pained and aggressive expression over his lack of success. 2011 sees a self important, psychopathic dropout and believer in the 'Big Lie' who thinks of herself as uniquely brilliant write a book called 'My Struggle'. She then wears a permanent pained and aggressive expression over her lack of success.

Hitler slowly convinced a multitude by combining an extraordinary gift for oratory, a genuine mass movement that tapped his targets own fears and resentments within a society that had only restricted access to alternative information sources. Knox has none of those advantages. She will remain a 'waiting to convince' failure.


Wow! I had no idea that the title was ripped from history, a book with a nazi reference.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=gL0XdIs ... ox&f=false
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
tamale wrote:
Jester wrote:
The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.


Poor child...omg.

Love your photo games...thumbs up


Credit should be given to Nell, who found and started the meme generator, with the blank Knox placard we could all post our thoughts on. She's way too modest I think, but her contributions should be acknowledged.


And there's also photoshop for producing Knox parodies.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Right on. And..amidst this ..the Kerchers dignified behaviour. N0-one..bar the shameful Groupies,,could ever think that's OK to villify the victim or the Family.

I found one of the Twitter photos..parody wise..quite illuminating. Well, a lot of them. This one sttod out.

On the white paper..it read. I wrote an 800 page book about a night where I remember NOTHING.

Yeah. Spot on.


457 pages, according to Amazon, but, having plowed through the entire book (borrowed from the library, not bought) it sure felt like 800 pages, cape.


Mea Culpa, Ergon :) There was no way I was going to plough through Knox and Raffles books...I can't make any sense of anything she writes.......EXCEPT..one sentence in the letter she wrote to Madison....where she writes....* I F****cked up so bad *

Thanks SO much, Nell. You're a star. pp-(

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Jester wrote:
Ergon wrote:
tamale wrote:
Jester wrote:
The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.


Poor child...omg.

Love your photo games...thumbs up


Credit should be given to Nell, who found and started the meme generator, with the blank Knox placard we could all post our thoughts on. She's way too modest I think, but her contributions should be acknowledged.


And there's also photoshop for producing Knox parodies.


Next time she does something really dumb, which be like, .. tomorrow :)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Here's the video of tonight's Sollecito interview, conducted by Emilio Carelli (I can't play it in my browser):

Sollecito to SkyTG24: "I had no reason to hurt Mez"

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tamale wrote:
Jester wrote:
The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.


Poor child...omg.

Love your photo games...thumbs up


Here is the video of Amanda Todd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7afkypUsc
It looks like Knox got her photo idea from this video.
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guermantes wrote:
Here's the video of tonight's Sollecito interview, conducted by Emilio Carelli (I can't play it in my browser):

Sollecito to SkyTG24: "I had no reason to hurt Mez"

SKY TG24


Thanks I listened to it .A lot of talk about how his life was great before the crime. He was just looking forward to graduating. How he only knew Amanda one week . He said he barely Meredith and hardly knew Amanda.Lots of talk of frustration how he cannot pursue his projects. He did say Italy was his home and he didn't want to be away from those that stood by him. I think he said Kelsey was mistaken about the marriage and may have even said she was part of a crime group that did that sort of thing, I don't understand all the Italian especially when he mumbles when lying.. Claimed Guede was wearing same clothing seen on garage tape , said he had an alibi with his computer bla bla. No blood found at his apartment impossible if he committed the crime. Stomach contents show early TOD and so on. He does that contemptuous lip curl when he says he only knew Amanda one week. He made it clear he is not concerned about her and thinks only of his family and friends even those abroad.The interviewer closes with some quick short questions . best memory. Worst memory. Worst surprisingly was not his conviction but something about his mother's death. Interesting and perhaps something he reveals about why he is so troubled. The question was not planned and his answer was spontaneous.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks for your translation/summary of the interview, malvern. In the meantime, I've watched it in another browser. As you say, he mumbles a lot and speaks in a monotone. I tuned out - quickly. He comes across as untrustworthy, rambling, even shifty. I think for many his message falls by the wayside because of that. Also, he is not allowing his 'true' emotions to be heard or seen. This lack of emotion or expression becomes very tedious, very fast. In a word, it's boring; there's no other way to say it.
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Ergon wrote:
tamale wrote:
Jester wrote:
The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.


Poor child...omg.

Love your photo games...thumbs up


Credit should be given to Nell, who found and started the meme generator, with the blank Knox placard we could all post our thoughts on. She's way too modest I think, but her contributions should be acknowledged.


Oh, I didn't start the meme generator. I don't know who did. I found the link through an Italian news outlet who tweeted a link to the generator. I am not the one who uploaded the blank photo but thanks from my side to whoever did it!

I might have been one of the first though who tweeted it to the English speaking world, but I cannot be sure. The parody just exploded and started having a life of its own.

People are still tweeting new creations. The message is what counts.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
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The preview clip doesn't work for me...


I think the clip will be coming on later, guermantes. Paul Russell is the author of Darkness Descending, of course, and that the Kerchers have cooperated with the producers is wonderful news! Looking forward to seeing it, and the media to finally, get it right.


Here's a brief preview clip that doesn't reveal much about the BBC3 docu though:



I emailed a small note to the BBC email address that the FOA posted (thanks very much!).

Quote:
Dear Team

There are many of us who are anticipating this upcoming documentary with great attention. This will be the first time the family of the victim have been involved with any such program and it makes room to hope it will be an unbiased view at the evidence against Amanda Knox. I have followed the case and like many others who have done the same believe that she was justly convicted.

This email is to thank you in advance and hope that you will not be deterred by the Friends of Amanda campaign to derail the airing this documentary. Meredith Kercher was a beautiful British girl with so many promises in life. It's not right that those standing convicted of her murder can run around with their supporters and poison the media and stop any show that will reveal the facts. It is after all only the facts they are scared of!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
People are still tweeting new creations.


Yeah, take a look at the FOA photo gallery (you'll see lots of familiar faces over there: Michelle M, Karen P, et al.). Their creations are as boring and monotonous as the latest Sollecito interview:

FACEBOOK

Knox has thanked them in one of her recent tweets:

Amanda Marie Knox ‏@amamaknox 20h

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Thank you, everyone. It means the world to us. Facebook: Raffaele e Amanda Sono Innocenti (R&A Are Innocent)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

This is Sallyoo's synopsis of what Sollecito has said in his latest interview:

Post by Sallyoo » 16 Feb 2014, 10:48
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Interview from Treviso, he is there with girlfriend Greta.

Last two weeks have been traumatic, frenetic media circus. Tragedy that court made this violent decision against me. I'd prefer to keep out of limelight, my private life is being invaded. I used to be happy, now I'm a public person, pissed off about passport. I'll answer any questions but it is boring. I'm innocent, me, AK and Lumumba fitted up from the start. I had a knife. Hellman got it right. I had no motive, I knew MK only as girlfriend of AK and I hardly knew AK. Never seen Guede in my life. I was at home, I told them this 6 days later.

He is asked what he thinks happened. (At 7.44 on the vid)

Dunno: my lawyers have written hundreds of pages saying what happened, and I have read them. Guede went there early, CCTV, autopsy, digestion time, time of death. (Maybe) Guede the known thief and break in artist broke in and robbery led to murder. My experts have told me what happened. No proof against me, ridiculous prosecution, I'm not mental.
I only knew AK a week, first love, intense but only a week.

Did you think of fleeing abroad?

Talked about it, but I'm Italian, don't want to leave, I'm frightened, courts are horrid, press is worse, it is all unfair.

If the cassazione frees you, will you go abroad?

No, why should I.

What about marrying an American? (At 16.00 on the vid)

That's all rubbish, I thought I genuinely loved (Kelly), got it wrong, she's a criminal. (I think I got this right, there was some mention of organised crime here.)
I wasn't ever questioned in court, nobody ever asked me to be questioned. Why wasn't I asked? Me and my lawyers base everything on facts. There was no blood on me.

If cassazione confirms your sentence, and AK stays in US, will that bother you?

No. It's Italian justice.

What would you say to the Kerchers? (At 20.00 on the vid)

They should open their minds and accept it was one attacker - or maybe two - but definitely not me, just because I was the boyfriend of AK.

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19.40 I'd be happy to meet with the Kercher family and have a long conversation. I'd suggest that if they continue to believe the prosecution hypothesis that there was more than one attacker - which is just a hypothesis - there is nothing concrete - it is based on the fact that one or more people could have been involved in this type of crime. It isn't as if the wounds have written on them that they were caused by one, or by more than one, there is nothing from the wounds which demonstrates that they were caused by one or more than one persons - so if we leave aside conjecture and mental constructions but base everything on a rational reality of facts then one can see that I have nothing to do with it. I didn't wish any harm to Meredith, it makes no sense to accuse me of such a brutal crime - why - just because I was the boyfriend of Amanda Knox. This is a fiction.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Oh look, there's the judge, the stepdad, mommy, the hairdresser, the Canadian pastor (but not his ex-sidekick who got thrown out of the FOA for talking to me :) the UK predatory lending and landlord defending lawyer, grandstanding ex-FBI spouse, BFF, and a whole lot of others whose name escapes, but were last seen in the Sportsmen's Club at Vashon Island, surrounded by dead animals. All holding up signs saying Amanda and Afterthought are innocent. That should show them Eyetalians!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Clander wrote on .org that "Sollecito was on today's Domenica Live (Canale 5) with Barbara d'Urso. The interview lasted over an hour."

Raffaele Sollecito, exclusive interview: just think about it, and if I were innocent?

Exclusive interview on Barbara D' Urso's Domenica Live with Raffaele Sollecito, the former boyfriend of Amanda Knox recently sentenced to 25 years in prison for the murder of Meredith Kercher. Real journalistic coup of D'Urso, who brings before the cameras one of the leading protagonists (a bit laconic) of the murder of Perugia. Raffaele is quiet and polished, however, appears determined to show the absurdity of the charges against him and tell the truth.

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Sollecito begins to reconstruct the facts: "The person who spoke more with Meredith was Amanda , we were together for a little over a week before the murder , and I was not very familiar with English ." Then [he] discusses the allegations : "The hypothesis started from an accusatory theory . Where are the drugs and alcohol, the prosecution said it to be a night of drugs and alcohol? At one point, the prosecution decided we had to go outside my home to meet with Rudy Guede where it all started: I've never seen Guede and I've never met him before."

Sollecito, passionate but composed, tells of Patrick Lumumba. "I'll ask Barbara a question: why the police took Patrick Lumumba from home and arrested him without ascertaining that what Amanda had said was true, a girl who did not speak Italian very well? ". Part of the rvm with Lumumba, who states: "To me no one has ever apologized . However, I can say that Amanda will live in her mental prison, if she doesn't end up in a material [prison]"

When D'Urso asked Sollecito to comment on the reconstruction of his alibi and his motive, he replied: "I ​​was at my computer: I had finished watching a film at 21.30." Barbie : "And if there's a proof [of that], why were you sentenced to 25 years? ". Sollecito : "I've been wondering that too, Barbara. I should have killed out of solidarity with a girl, Amanda, who I barely knew anyway. " Then the interviewee tells of the morning when they discovered Meredith's body: " We were supposed to go to Gubbio: I went to Amanda's house. After a while, we called Meredith - her door was locked - and she did not answer, we worried and I broke down the door, so we found the body. Got arrested for the strange behavior of Amanda. But the problem is not one : one may have suspected [us] , but here the figures do not fit together even if they want to fit them by force. If a story is not credible, that is. "

Then there's Amanda. When D'Urso asks, "Have you seen her after the arrest? " Raffaele is almost surprised and says, "In fact, we have never spoken much in those years in prison, the maximum we exchanged two glances during trial hearings. The point is that it's not our history on which the media should focus, but just the experience of years in prison that I would like to highlight. Think for a moment, all those at home, even those who consider me guilty , if I were innocent, then try to understand what it means not being able to do those daily activities, ordinary, that you all do every day . Pretend for a moment that I am innocent and try to think about what I have experienced in the past four years and I could be living for the next twenty."


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I wonder if he really said this as per the interview transcript: "I broke down the door, so we found the body"?


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Ergon wrote:
Oh look, there's the judge, the stepdad, mommy, the hairdresser, the Canadian pastor (but not his ex-sidekick who got thrown out of the FOA for talking to me :) the UK predatory lending and landlord defending lawyer, grandstanding ex-FBI spouse, BFF, and a whole lot of others whose name escapes, but were last seen in the Sportsmen's Club at Vashon Island, surrounded by dead animals. All holding up signs saying Amanda and Afterthought are innocent. That should show them Eyetalians!


I thought I saw two pictures of the judge. None of Frank, though.

Just a suggestion: She could post one picture of her supporters from the Vashon Island party. That would REALLY show them Eyetalians.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
tamale wrote:
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The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.


Poor child...omg.

Love your photo games...thumbs up


Credit should be given to Nell, who found and started the meme generator, with the blank Knox placard we could all post our thoughts on. She's way too modest I think, but her contributions should be acknowledged.


You are so correct.

Thank you Nell the Modest, Mod. hugz-) . I appreciate you efforts so much. pp-(
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Jester wrote:
tamale wrote:
Jester wrote:
The photo of Knox with the hand written note reminds me of the pre-suicide video that was made by a teenage girl that was bullied. That child held up hand written notes describing the bullying, one after the other. Then, she committed suicide. The video circulated as a statement against bullying.


Poor child...omg.

Love your photo games...thumbs up


Here is the video of Amanda Todd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7afkypUsc
It looks like Knox got her photo idea from this video.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Domenica Live - Episode of February 16, 2014 - Guests: Anna Falchi , Raffaele Sollecito and Davide Vannoni

Sollecito: "I've never seen the crime scene in reality. I've seen it in a photograph. The indictment says that I would have done it (killed) out of solidarity. Solidarity with Amanda , who was just a girl I did not know [well], it's absurd. I would never do such a thing. I felt like dying inside. A person who feels that no one cares anymore what the truth is, it does not matter anymore. I was in the middle of a snow storm. I felt as if there was no hope for anything. The truth seems not to be of interest, until you arrive at such a judgment on the basis of evidence brought up by the prosecution, which the court experts claim is completely unreliable."


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Fast Google translation of an article in Il Messaggero:

Meredith, Sollecito Sunday Live : " I ​​myself did not kill, I have proof '

"I was at home that night, I have proof in my computer. They defined the time of death of Meredith between 21 and 22. I'm [on my computer] up until 21.15, I saw a movie on my PC , The Amazing World of Amelie , along with Amanda , and then I opened another video file of the Japanese animated series Naruto . "

A Sunday Live, Raffaelle Sollecito speaks of the murder of Meredith , to reiterate his innocence, despite being sentenced to 25 years.

"I've never seen the crime scene in reality. I've seen it in a photograph. The indictment says that I would have done it for solidarity. Solidarity with Amanda , a girl who I did not know [well], it's absurd. I would never do such a thing . "

The next morning , the discovery . " That morning we had to go to Gubbio, but I'm a bit ... I was not used to sleeping with another person , so did not sleep in a linear way . I was in bed. Amanda went home to take a shower . She did, then came back to me and told me a few oddities , such as the door open and specks of blood in the shower. I gave up the idea of going to Gubbio , I told her to call her friends and we went [to her house]. When we arrived, I saw the broken window and broken glass on the floor . "

Does not it seem strange that Amanda did not notice anything? , the question of D'Urso .

"The door to Meredith's room was closed. Amanda tried to call her. I tried to break the door down three times, I could not , I called my sister and she told me to leave immediately and not touch anything. "

The two sweethearts , however, soon attracted the attention of law enforcement.

"We were arrested immediately because the strange behavior of Amanda threw suspicion. A person may have suspicions confirmed , however , you can not marry a thing that does not exist and then try to force things to stick together even if they do not fit . "

Sollecito also challenges the footprint left on the mat . Proof in hand - "I have the bunion and this shows that with this defect it is not my footprint " - and, urged by D'Urso, explains his idea on the case. " Rudy had previous theft. He was filmed by the cameras. I did not know him, I've never met him. "

An inevitable reference to Patrick Lumumba, wrongly accused by Amanda Knox. " On Lumumba, Amanda had had what I call a hallucination, and anyway I was not in that hallucination ."

And the relationship with Amanda after the court case ?

" We stay in touch by email or via Skype . To hear from her was not my priority at that time. I wish people at home would understand and think for a moment what it means if I were innocent, and also understand that at that time, when I traveled to Austria, I was just trying to carry on a normal life and be close to my girlfriend. I learned of my conviction by radio. My father told me to go immediately to the police station to surrender my passport , which I had handed in . "

What did you think when you heard the news of the sentence ?

"I felt like dying inside. A person who feels that no one cares anymore what the truth is , it does not matter anymore. I was in the middle of a snow storm. I felt as if there was no hope for anything. the truth seems not to be of interest , until you arrive at such a judgment where the court experts claim completely unreliable evidence brought by the prosecution . "

D' Urso again touches the string of relationship with Amanda : "You heard her reactions ? ".

" I do not care - confirms Sollecito - I know it's difficult to make people understand , people have never experienced being in a police station , the accusations that are made ​​against you, against which you can not do anything, because every once demonstrates and proves they are not true , they tell you you're guilty anyway . I'm doing everything to make people understand how serious the flaws of this system are. The theory of the [murder] charge has never been proved , it remains part of the fantasy . "

What will happen now to Raffaele Sollecito ?

"The Italian justice system has made a mistake , I'm telling you in all ways. They are not infallible even though they have this enormous power . They failed in this case. According to the indictment Amanda and I would have brought a knife to my house that was in the drawer, she peeled potatoes with it, and potato starch was found; they say, the DNA of Meredith on the tip of the blade. The experts of the appeals court in Perugia said that the result is absolutely unreliable because could not follow protocols to understand how it has come to that result. The knife has a blade of 30 centimeters (sic) , it is absurd to think that we could take it from my house to Meredith's house . Those who took the swabs made ​​a mess in the house , the mattress of Meredith was in the kitchen . The bra clasp had been kicked around and moved, and who knows how many other test [items] had been moved as well . On the hook , according to the prosecution , there is my DNA , that of Meredith , and one of those who they do not know, and others possible ".

Italy believes you are guilty or innocent ?

"I can not know , I have a lot of support from those who have figured out how this thing has been conducted . Most of the time , people show support and sometimes curiosity to understand who we are, the story , because of all this attention , but I do not know whether they acquit or condemn me . "

Amanda , who was sentenced to 28 years, will not be in Italy to serve her sentence. Sollecito will return to prison ?

"I understand the pain of Meredith's family , I on the other hand, I have lost a mother. I would like everyone to concentrate on the fact that if you marry a false theory you can make more victims. I am in front of the cameras not because I like it, but to denounce a tragedy that can happen to anyone, those are my weapons. If the Supreme Court confirms [the sentence], I will have to be at the gates of the prison. I do not know when. I have not the faintest idea of the grounds [reasons]. It will , however, be still a year and I'll be stuck here in Italy , with all my projects on hold and falling into oblivion. What is behind this decision? I'm not a crazy person , I am a person like everyone else, it is absurd to be slammed in the newspapers and jailed for four years for something that does not exist. "


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

There's a flood of comments from Amanda Knox on her blog, re: evidence. Why this sudden flurry of activity? Is she trying to compete with Sollecito for people's attention?

For those who don't want to go there, I've copied & pasted her comments into a Word doc (attached).

This (contrived) explanation is certainly new (I believe we haven't heard it before; her memory seems to be improving with time): ;)

2) I woke up at 6am, reached over to the nightstand and turned on the first cellphone I came across to check what time it was. I then fell back asleep. Marco Quintavalle, the store owner who claims to have seen me in his store at 7:45am, not only contradicted that testimony when he was initially questioned in the days after the murder, but his later testimony has changed over time: in some he says I only looked around before leaving, in others he says I bought things, for which no evidence in his receipts exist. His own employee contradicted his testimony.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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tests for blood are even more sensitive than tests for DNA.

Meredith’s DNA could never be determined to be on the kitchen knife

The trace of Meredith’s and my DNA in Filomena’s room was not a footprint and tested negative for blood. It is irrelevant.

all-night interrogations.



She is delusional and her family should be worried about her right now, honestly. Look what they've done.
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Thanks so much Guermantes. You really put in so much time and effort to keep us informed.

Now..this may just be me....BUT...Knox is not fazed by the blood....the open door...Meredith's locked door...but it's the feces that gets her tripping. OK..feces left in a toilet is unpleasant..but not scary. And..I think it's automatic to flush a toilet..no matter who has deposited. A) Because one doesn't want to leave an odour...B) Just how much trouble is it to pull a handle..

Knox calls her Mother..in SEATTLE...doesn't call Raffaele who lives minutes away..is Italian..whose sister is in the Carabieri.....Just how strange is that.

So..Knox had her phone with her. Didn't call Raffaele......didn't check to see if the guys were downstairs...even though they said they would not be home. Surely one would check. People's plans change.

Didn't see the broken window. Yet Raffles did..almost immediately. It was KNOX who was messy and didn't clean up. So..when Knox sees blood in the bathroom.....she's not concerned because it's a girl's bathroom? She knew Meredith was bothered by cleanliness.

She doesn't explain why nothing was stolen from Filomena's room. Says Guede was interrupted by Meredith's arrival. So why then would Guede not have taken the things after Meredith was murdered?

I think it was KNOX who was interrupted by Meredith's arrival..when SHE was stealing Meredith's rent money.

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And..It is NOT irrelevant that just because it wasn't blood in the mixed DNA. It's the fact that the mixed DNA was there at all. Oh..well...Knox just waves that HUGELY incriminating evidence away. LOL.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
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People are still tweeting new creations.


Yeah, take a look at the FOA photo gallery (you'll see lots of familiar faces over there: Michelle M, Karen P, et al.). Their creations are as boring and monotonous as the latest Sollecito interview:

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Knox has thanked them in one of her recent tweets:

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Thank you, everyone. It means the world to us. Facebook: Raffaele e Amanda Sono Innocenti (R&A Are Innocent)
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They really don't get when the battle is lost, do they?

The first to join this effort are, of course, family and close friends. It is on their behest that a new effort is made to outnumber the parody messages. It's pathetic.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Domenica Live: Raffaele Sollecito interviewed by Barbara D'Urso - 16 February 2014 (photo gallery)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Preview article on tomorrow's documentary:

Meredith Kercher forgotten amid Knox and Sollecito saga, say her family
Murdered student's brother and sister tell BBC 'it is very difficult to keep her memory alive' during media frenzy over convictions
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Stephanie Kercher tells the documentary: "Everything that Meredith must have felt that night. Everything she went through. The fear and the terror and not knowing why. She didn't deserve that. No one deserves that.

"She was very excited about coming to Italy, looking forward to learning about Italian culture. Seeing the city of Perugia and making new friends. She really fought to be here. She wanted to be here."

Speaking about her sister's decision to study in Italy, she said: "We were just talking on the sofa and having a little cuddle of goodbye, and I just remember her suddenly crying and saying she was going to be sad but she was excited to come and I remember being quite taken aback and I thought: 'Don't make me sad. I'll miss you but you'll go and have fun."

A prosecution lawyer, Manuela Comodi, told the documentary: "One person couldn't – all at the same time – hold Meredith still and hold back her hands, because there are very few defensive wounds, inflict those wounds with a smaller knife and then give her the fatal blow with the larger knife. It's impossible. Not even Superman could do it.

"The principal evidence was mixed blood traces from which were extracted mixed DNA of Amanda and Meredith. The only explanation for that mix is that Amanda was bleeding and touched objects that were covered in Meredith's blood. There's no other explanation."

Sarah Gino, a forensic biologist on Knox's defence team, said: "In the case the test was done for blood. But was the test done for saliva? No. So we can't know if inside that mixed trace there was blood because it had been demonstrated or just saliva. Or maybe there was blood from both of them, but what does that mean? Maybe someone had a bloody nose one time and then another moment someone cut their finger and put it down and their blood got mixed."

Anne Bremner, from the group Friends of Amanda, also maintained: "There's not one piece of physical evidence to link this girl to this crime."
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The programme also contains an audio recording – which has not been heard in public before – of part of Knox's police interrogation.


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Amanda Knox's police interrogation (AUDIO)

Never-before-heard audio from Amanda Knox's interrogation by Italian police has been released, ahead of a documentary exploring her role in the murder of Meredith Kercher. In the recording from 17 December 2007, Knox can be heard explaining she falsely named Patrick Lumumba, her manager at a local cafe, as the murderer under extreme stress and harsh questioning.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:46 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

capealadin wrote:
Thanks so much Guermantes. You really put in so much time and effort to keep us informed.

Now..this may just be me....BUT...Knox is not fazed by the blood....the open door...Meredith's locked door...but it's the feces that gets her tripping. OK..feces left in a toilet is unpleasant..but not scary. And..I think it's automatic to flush a toilet..no matter who has deposited. A) Because one doesn't want to leave an odour...B) Just how much trouble is it to pull a handle..

Knox calls her Mother..in SEATTLE...doesn't call Raffaele who lives minutes away..is Italian..whose sister is in the Carabieri.....Just how strange is that.

So..Knox had her phone with her. Didn't call Raffaele......didn't check to see if the guys were downstairs...even though they said they would not be home. Surely one would check. People's plans change.

Didn't see the broken window. Yet Raffles did..almost immediately. It was KNOX who was messy and didn't clean up. So..when Knox sees blood in the bathroom.....she's not concerned because it's a girl's bathroom? She knew Meredith was bothered by cleanliness.

She doesn't explain why nothing was stolen from Filomena's room. Says Guede was interrupted by Meredith's arrival. So why then would Guede not have taken the things after Meredith was murdered?

I think it was KNOX who was interrupted by Meredith's arrival..when SHE was stealing Meredith's rent money.


Too little time, between the 8:40 PM Popovic confirmation to just around 9:00 PM Meredith arrival, to coordinate with Guede. Curatolo saw AK/RS after 9 PM peering over the basketball court. They were waiting for Guede, who IMO arrives at the cottage at the same time to party w/them. Theft earlier, hazing/ assault begins after 9:30 PM.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Interesting that after so many years RS now remembers opening (and only opening!) the Naruto file. Prosecutor Crini made a connection between the Naruto timing and the sighting minutes later at the basketball court by Curatolo. Maybe that is why RS never 'remembered' the Naruto timing. Very interesting.

I think there is enough time for AK to have met up with Guede and Meredith around 9pm. The timing of Popovic is approximate and would give Knox a good reason to go and get a change of clothes, it is only a short walk, and then there is that CCTV. She got into a fight and went back to get RS and knife. That is why he is always complaining. If he had only stayed at home and not listened to his ex then he wouldn't be in this mess. Attack starts around 10pm with the strange phone activity on Meredith's phone. Also interesting is him saying he did not speak a lot of English. A witness hears a man and woman fighting in Italian sometime after 10pm followed shortly by a loud scream. Meredith spoke good Italian. The noise comes from the direction of the cottage.

Overall it doesn't really matter who met who first. They were all there by 10pm. I am looking forward to that documentary.
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I think Sarah Gino was actually one of the more honest defense experts. She admitted that a negative TMB test does not mean it is not blood, and here she is admitting that it is possible both AK and Meredith were bleeding. At different times is a bit unbelievable but she has to come up with something. I agree that it is most likely AK's blood. I don't know why Massei came up with skin cells on the foot. Blood mixes so much easier and Knox blood was on the tap after all.
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This might save some people's ears, cranking up the sound. I couldn't hear everything clearly but I think I got most.

Q: Why did you imagine?
AK: I was stressed, I was scared, it was after long hours, in the middle of the night. I was innocent and they were telling me that I was guilty.
Q: What did the police tell you?
AK: The police were telling me. We know you were at the house, we know you were at the house.
In the moments before I had said Patrick's name. They were put..someone was showing me the message that was on the phone.
Q: In Italian. (AK suddenly no longer needs the interpreter.)
AK: I couldn't understand why they were telling me that I was lying. They kept telling me that I was lying.
Q: In Italian.
AK: It means that in that moment that I had said Patrick's name, I thought it could have been true.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Latest 'coffee gossip' (Kafeeklatsch): ;)

Sollecito’s ‘secret’ refuge: he’s hiding with his girlfriend
By Annalisa Fregonese
16 February 2014

It is an apartment in the elegant residence located just outside the center of Oderzo, next to the Cantina Sociale, the refuge of Raffaele Sollecito. The young man , who was sentenced by the Supreme Court (sic) to 25 years for the murder of Meredith Kercher , a young Englishwoman who was killed in Perugia, stays, when he is in town, in the apartment of his girlfriend Greta Menegaldo, the beautiful hostess, 31, originally from Ponte di Piave. The accommodation is located in the residential complex built by Marson Construction as part of a redevelopment plan for the former wine cellars Tombacco .

More than one occupant crossed Sollecito’s path on the stairs , and if they were not aware of the facts of Perugia, he would not have even been noticed . "I knew from the newspapers that Sollecito was in Oderzo - tells a lady who lives in the condominium complex - At first I did not notice [him], they are seen as the classic couple in love . After learning who he was, it’s logical, there was a bit more of curiosity. But it soon vanished . None of my business, what happened in Perugia is something that concerns only the man, not me. "

In the rest of the palace (palazzo) live many young couples , often both are engaged in work. There remains very little time to notice what is happening around. Raffaele and Greta are very discreet . Educated, always good morning and good evening to everyone. Very reserved , although until a few weeks ago they were a bit less so. Now no longer leave the car outside in a parking lot, but drive directly to the underground parking garage and go up into the house from the inside. Often, when he [Sollecito] comes in, he has his head in a hat or a cap and holding his coat collar turned up.

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Nevertheless, the pair has entered some coffee shops of Oderzo. They were in Caffetteria Gioia, in Caffè Commercio, in Caffè Caruso in the square of the Roman Forum. Greta and Raffaele got to know each other on a flight [?], she worked as a hostess before finding a job on the ground at the airport of Tessera. Now the young man from Puglia is frequenting the University of Verona and in his free time visits his girlfriend in Oderzo . Nothing strange, were it not for that crime and the judgment of the Supreme Court.


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hugz-) Thanks so much to Max and Guermantes. Your translations are invaluable - and you find such interesting little snippets. It is much appreciated!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The full episode of Domenica Live has arrived online:

http://www.video.mediaset.it/video/domenica_live/full/439543/puntata-del-16-febbraio.html

The Sollecito interview starts @ 1hr 16 min
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
There's a flood of comments from Amanda Knox on her blog, re: evidence. Why this sudden flurry of activity? Is she trying to compete with Sollecito for people's attention?

For those who don't want to go there, I've copied & pasted her comments into a Word doc (attached).

This (contrived) explanation is certainly new (I believe we haven't heard it before; her memory seems to be improving with time): ;)

2) I woke up at 6am, reached over to the nightstand and turned on the first cellphone I came across to check what time it was. I then fell back asleep. Marco Quintavalle, the store owner who claims to have seen me in his store at 7:45am, not only contradicted that testimony when he was initially questioned in the days after the murder, but his later testimony has changed over time: in some he says I only looked around before leaving, in others he says I bought things, for which no evidence in his receipts exist. His own employee contradicted his testimony.


Thank you!!
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~ I'd be very careful about the Hola extension and other country specific unblockers if you want to watch the BBC 3 documentary tonight. Adware can cause your browser to crash, be very annoying at the very least.~


Just wait for it to show up on YouTube, or someone to download it here.
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Anonymox is a good one for Firefox users.

Tools --> Add-ons --> Get Add-Ons --> AnonymoX

Once installed, you can change your country IP as necessary by clicking the blue 'X' icon at the bottom-right of the browser:

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In case anyone wants to try this for the BBC doc - I tried Terry's suggestion posted on TJMK - it seems to be working just fine. Thank you Terry! th-)

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There’s a german page that allows you to watch different channels as stream. I always use it when I want to watch TV channels from other countries.

It’s for free, you only have to watch one commercial in the beginning.

I guess it will work from other countries with the “hola” plug-in that Odysseus mentioned in a comment above. So maybe it’s interesting for people who don’t live in the UK. The link is:

http://schoener-fernsehen.com/

Just scroll down in the channel list until you find the channel “UKBBC3”.

But I can’t guarantee that the channel will be online on Monday. It worked yesterday, right now it doesn’t.

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I didn't need to use Hola - just directly clicked on the page and started watching BBC3
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Just for the laughs

Doug Bremner shows his solidarity. Unfortunately he cannot spell Amanda's name or the word innocenti.

He ran either out of paper or he was too lazy to start a new sign.

In one word: Embarrassing.


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The twit response to Andreavogt's documentary is incredible. Have not seen it yet, but she was effective. Thanks Andrea
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Doug Bremner is the guy who equated the Kerchers with the Nazis. Before that, he kept harassing them with the Steve/Michelle More planted meme about John Kercher Jr. being harryrag/The Machine. Nasty people, getting and circulating their cues from and to Knox Central.
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Embarrassing is right !! Slapdash doesn't even begin to say what this is saying about Bremner and/or Knox. He looks like a very angry person. I think he needs thereapy :)

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All I can say is: With friends like these, who needs enemies.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Just for the laughs

Doug Bremner shows his solidarity. Unfortunately he cannot spell Amanda's name or the word innocenti.

He ran either out of paper or he was too lazy to start a new sign.

In one word: Embarrassing.


This is awful! It hurts my eyes to look at this image - what on earth is he going for? If I were FOA I would disavow this guy and/or claim this image was taken by a 'guiltier' trying to embarrass the FOA. ham-)
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Exclusive: 'Is Amanda Knox Guilty?' We Talked To A BBC Film-Maker About Meredith Kercher's Death

Now, a brand new BBC3 documentary - Is Amanda Knox Guilty? - will air tonight revolving around the most recent developments leading up to the trial [verdict] on January 30th.

We spoke briefly to Andrea Vogt, an Italy-based independent journalist and documentary-maker, about the documentary process from development to writing and directing


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Just for the laughs

Doug Bremner shows his solidarity. Unfortunately he cannot spell Amanda's name or the word innocenti.

He ran either out of paper or he was too lazy to start a new sign.

In one word: Embarrassing.


What a silly picture. What is he doing ... playing pirate dress up and showing us one of his toys? Does he want us to know that he can't speak, read, or write a word of Italian?
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I thought the show was very good. They flashed a bloody image I've overlooked before but found in the Nov 2/3 file, dsc_0281

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Is this another shoe, or am I seeing things?
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Iodine, is it true they missed the eyewitness testimony, Curatolo in particular?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hey guys! Finally, I'm back after having computer issues Wednesday last week. And now, I've managed to catch up.

First off, a warm welcome to our newest posters! :) Also, thanks to everyone for keeping things going so well.

Now, the last thing. I've managed to see the BBC3 doc and I agree with Iodine, it was very good and I think they did unbelievably well to cram so much into 57 minutes. IT was very refreshing to, for a change, watch a factual doc that wasn't a propaganda exercise for Knox, didn't merely skim the surface of the evidence and didn't make lots of major errors. If anyone wants to watch it, here's the link to watch it on the BBC IPlayer, although you'll have to hurry as it's only there for three or four more hours. Those outside of the UK may have to spoof their IP's using one of the ways suggested upthread. Here's the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... ox_Guilty/

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Iodine wrote:
Anonymox is a good one for Firefox users.

Tools --> Add-ons --> Get Add-Ons --> AnonymoX

Once installed, you can change your country IP as necessary by clicking the blue 'X' icon at the bottom-right of the browser:



Thanks for your tip, Iodine! I've followed your instructions and the steps described above and installed AnonymoX and am now watching the documentary. It's available on iPlayer:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03wd39x/Is_Amanda_Knox_Guilty/

Thanks again!
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Hard to tell, if it's a shoe print. Maybe someone wearing socks?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
Iodine, is it true they missed the eyewitness testimony, Curatolo in particular?


Hi Ergon. The Doc referred to witnesses who offered testimony that contradicted their alibis but didn't go into any detail on it.

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Just a note regarding Rudy Guede's supposed "work release". I see that some have been getting a little upset about it. I should stress here, that Rudy is only approaching the period where he is eligible to make the request for it. His lawyer, Gentile, has already come out and said that he has made no such request so if he's being truthful, then it would appear that the story is simply being fed to the media by the FOAKers to serve as a diversion.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I am thinking if a shoeprint... standing on something. Shirt, towel, jacket, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
Nell wrote:
Just for the laughs

Doug Bremner shows his solidarity. Unfortunately he cannot spell Amanda's name or the word innocenti.

He ran either out of paper or he was too lazy to start a new sign.

In one word: Embarrassing.


What a silly picture. What is he doing ... playing pirate dress up and showing us one of his toys? Does he want us to know that he can't speak, read, or write a word of Italian?


Hey buddy. Have you ever heard the expression - better than a stick in the eye???

stup-) Somebody probably gave him the stick. da-))
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Good, glad the instructions worked, guermantes!

Ergon -- The show covers what's happened so far, beginning from the 112 calls right up to AK's emo sign holding(!). I think people who were expecting This Is Why Amanda Knox is Guilty will find it a bit thin on the evidence, but there is enough of the most well-known bits presented within the context of the series of proceedings that you are left with a sense of normalcy: there is real evidence to which the prosecutors speak (multiple attackers, mixed blood, footprints, the bra & knife, which they illustrate with the blue overlay diagram), Guede's lawyer is given a substantial amount of time, the Kercher family are their wonderful selves. The defence don't touch the multiple attackers, as usual; Sarah Gino sticks to the mixed blood to argue that it could be spit and blood, or blood and blood, but there's no way to tell if all those samples were deposited simultaneously on the night of the murder.

Ann Bremner pops up a couple of times to say despite what you just saw with you own eyes, there is no evidence. Her delivery was a surprise, if I'm being honest. Maybe it was an off day for her but she seemed blunted somehow or to be phoning it in; she just wasn't the same spitfire from a couple of years back.
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jamdog at .org has posted a link to a DailyMotion upload of the BBC program for anyone who hasn't had any luck with the proxy servers. so hats off and a well done that man to him/her.
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Brogan wrote:
jamdog at .org has posted a link to a DailyMotion upload of the BBC program for anyone who hasn't had any luck with the proxy servers. so hats off and a well done that man to him/her.

Thanks. Watching now.
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Ergon wrote:
Iodine, is it true they missed the eyewitness testimony, Curatolo in particular?


Yes, NO Toto wtf)
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Eyewitness accounts are one of the strongest pieces of evidence. I would have added it to where the documentary was dissecting their alibis. I think some sort of bias against him played a part, zinnia.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Just for the laughs

Doug Bremner shows his solidarity. Unfortunately he cannot spell Amanda's name or the word innocenti.

He ran either out of paper or he was too lazy to start a new sign.

In one word: Embarrassing.


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Ne è nata un’altra battaglia a suon di insulti, ma anche di poesie. Se una ragazza scrive che Amanda ci mette la faccia, «mentre voi vi nascondete dietro le maschere», Marie Yvette Di Benedetto risponde «i knoxisti sono quasi tutti analfabeti», e un altro urla «se toccate la mia città, vi rovino la vita». Poi, magari, Riccardo Bazzurri quasi ci canta sopra: «Dormi Perugia, dormi sotto la luna, come t’ho amato non t’amerà nessuna».

Actually I was a little kinder than La Stampa reports:

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I said they were semi-literate, not illiterate.
This was in reply to a pro-Knox post that misspelt "corruzione" & "criminalità".

Finally,I can't resist sharing Michelle's tweet:

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Ergon wrote:
Doug Bremner is the guy who equated the Kerchers with the Nazis. Before that, he kept harassing them with the Steve/Michelle More planted meme about John Kercher Jr. being harryrag/The Machine. Nasty people, getting and circulating their cues from and to Knox Central.


If Doug Bremner is always that nasty it would explain why there was no friend to take a photo of him holding the sign. He used a workaround, using his iPhone in front of a mirror.


Daniel Sandford from the BBC has responded to Doug Bremner's unfortunate comment comparing the Kerchers to the Nazis.

This again has attracted far more (negative) responses to Bremner's tweet.


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Ergon wrote:
Hard to tell, if it's a shoe print. Maybe someone wearing socks?


It looks like it could have been some sort of clothing that left an imprint in the blood.
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Brogan wrote:
jamdog at .org has posted a link to a DailyMotion upload of the BBC program for anyone who hasn't had any luck with the proxy servers. so hats off and a well done that man to him/her.


Thank you for sharing that Brogan.

Thanks to jamdog I have now been able to watch the documentary and I agree with others that it was very balanced and presented the arguments from both sides.

Of course Knox supporters will scream foul because their arguments aren't convincing and appear weak in comparison to the strong evidence, but that is not the BBC's fault.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

dgfred wrote:
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Nell wrote:
Just for the laughs

Doug Bremner shows his solidarity. Unfortunately he cannot spell Amanda's name or the word innocenti.

He ran either out of paper or he was too lazy to start a new sign.

In one word: Embarrassing.


What a silly picture. What is he doing ... playing pirate dress up and showing us one of his toys? Does he want us to know that he can't speak, read, or write a word of Italian?


Hey buddy. Have you ever heard the expression - better than a stick in the eye???

stup-) Somebody probably gave him the stick. da-))


Careful of Bremner; I have found out that he is super-slimy. He is married to an Italian from Catania, a fellow MD. and I would guess he has at least a smattering of Italian. Perhaps he'd been on the turps when he took that photo. He is Anne Bremner's brother, FOAK lawyer/spokesperson.
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Ergon wrote:
Eyewitness accounts are one of the strongest pieces of evidence. I would have added it to where the documentary was dissecting their alibis. I think some sort of bias against him played a part, zinnia.


The documentary pointed out that the phone logs contradict their alibis among other things.

This documentary was not just a repetition of old footage we had seen already. Interviews I hadn't seen before with Mignini, Comodi, the Kerchers and others.

I found the arguments presented by Sarah Gino regarding the mixed blood evidence very very damning. In her opinion the DNA from Amanda Knox that got mixed with Meredith's blood in 5 instances, could have been deposited on different days and occasions. In one sample it could have been spit, in another Amanda could have cut herself, not cleaned it up and then later it would have been covered by Meredith's blood and then police picked it up in a swab.

Just imagine what is the likelihood to have this occur 5 times in 3 different locations and not find any of the other roommates who lived there for longer. Also, Amanda Knox only occasionally returned to the cottage. She had started to live with Raffaele Sollecito.

The fact that Knox's blood was found on the tap of the sink makes it more likely that the mixed samples are actually mixed blood.

Anne Bremner's comment about the marines rescuing Amanda Knox was a bit irritating and only highlighted the kind of people supporting her. Not a pretty picture.
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Tiziano wrote:
Nell wrote:
Just for the laughs

Doug Bremner shows his solidarity. Unfortunately he cannot spell Amanda's name or the word innocenti.

He ran either out of paper or he was too lazy to start a new sign.

In one word: Embarrassing.


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From the above article:
Ne è nata un’altra battaglia a suon di insulti, ma anche di poesie. Se una ragazza scrive che Amanda ci mette la faccia, «mentre voi vi nascondete dietro le maschere», Marie Yvette Di Benedetto risponde «i knoxisti sono quasi tutti analfabeti», e un altro urla «se toccate la mia città, vi rovino la vita». Poi, magari, Riccardo Bazzurri quasi ci canta sopra: «Dormi Perugia, dormi sotto la luna, come t’ho amato non t’amerà nessuna».

Actually I was a little kinder than La Stampa reports:

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I said they were semi-literate, not illiterate.
This was in reply to a pro-Knox post that misspelt "corruzione" & "criminalità".

Finally,I can't resist sharing Michelle's tweet:

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Ha ha. Thanks for sharing that!

I believe we posted Michelle's tweet earlier. Had me laugh too. Poor woman.

She embarrassed herself badly when she tweeted Paul Callan and accused him of being in the cohorts with the Kerchers after her husband's disastrous appearance on CNN Outfront. Also consider that the places Michelle Moore usually posts, nobody reads. So far that has benefitted her, but now she has tweeted to Erin Burnett, Paul Callan and CNN to tell them they "get their information from the family" and from the "hater wiki".

Steve Moore has challenged, I believe Alan Dershowitz - Paul Callan probably won't have him anymore. My guess is the news that these people are lunatics spreads quickly.

If you look at the video from Outfront, when Steve Moore says agitagedly "... and the cartwheels were actually yoga moves!", you can hear Erin Burnett and Paul Callan laughing.

Paul Callan retweeted one message that told Steve Moore it was time to "duck out".


It is my belief that your comment was quoted because La Stampa found it resumed the people defending Knox best. Who can blame them?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Ha ha. Thanks for sharing that!


The BBC & Andrea Vogt are deservedly getting some excellent feed-back on Twitter for the documentary.
The Knox die-hards believe that blustering insults at Andrea and the BBC, and raving about "Guede-lovers" is a suitable replacement for logical debate.

They are like Knox and Sollecito themselves: they do not know when to keep quiet.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Tiziano wrote:
Nell wrote:
Ha ha. Thanks for sharing that!


The BBC & Andrea Vogt are deservedly getting some excellent feed-back on Twitter for the documentary.
The Knox die-hards believe that blustering insults at Andrea and the BBC, and raving about "Guede-lovers" is a suitable replacement for logical debate.

They are like Knox and Sollecito themselves: they do not know when to keep quiet.


Yes, I've seen the messages. Andrea Vogt is now a "hater".

Years ago, I would have been angry, but not anymore. As you say, they don't know when to keep quiet. They are unable to understand how bad it makes them look like. They call everyone a conspiracy loon, a hater and a guilter. They sound like lunatics.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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jamdog at .org has posted a link to a DailyMotion upload of the BBC program for anyone who hasn't had any luck with the proxy servers. so hats off and a well done that man to him/her.

Thanks. Watching now.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1chka ... shortfilms



Ahhhh, we have a Daily Motion thingy here, so I can embed it :)

EDIT: Deleted, as Daily Motion have now removed it. Use Youtube version below.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Tiziano wrote:
Nell wrote:
Ha ha. Thanks for sharing that!


The BBC & Andrea Vogt are deservedly getting some excellent feed-back on Twitter for the documentary.
The Knox die-hards believe that blustering insults at Andrea and the BBC, and raving about "Guede-lovers" is a suitable replacement for logical debate.

They are like Knox and Sollecito themselves: they do not know when to keep quiet.


Yes, I've seen the messages. Andrea Vogt is now a "hater".

Years ago, I would have been angry, but not anymore. As you say, they don't know when to keep quiet. They are unable to understand how bad it makes them look like. They call everyone a conspiracy loon, a hater and a guilter. They sound like lunatics.


They SOUND LIKE lunatics??????????? mul-) mul-) mul-)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

BBC says the shithead called the Carabinieri when the postal police were already there. He called them immediately after he called his Carabinieri sister privately and succinctly from a side room, to instruct her to pull strings anywhere - to do him that one big favor. To get him out of the shit. She instructed him to call the Carabinieneri who were on duty. He did so robotically.


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These people are insane.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

ttrroonniicc wrote:
BBC says the shithead called the Carabinieri when the postal police were already there. He called them immediately after he called his Carabinieri sister privately and succinctly from a side room, to instruct her to pull strings anywhere - to do him that one big favor. To get him out of the shit. She instructed him to call the Carabinieneri who were on duty. He did so robotically.


I was looking for the old Dateline episode on this (the good one) and caught one with Anne Bremner explaining the before/after phone call thusly: "Of course he had phoned the police before, he had phoned his sister who is a cop." It was a pretty good (if misleading) answer and once she said it I was surprised they hadn't all gone with that.


I am satisfied they left out Curatolo and Quintavalle. In my opinion they are helped by the surrounding evidence and not the other way around.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

What really gets me is this public debate about "haters".

I mean, seriously, we are not talking about Amanda Knox inventing some kind of fashion style and people "hating" on her. A person lost his life and she didn't die by natural causes or some type of tragic accident. Her life was taken from her by her killers. I know it is kind of popular to call your critics a "hater" these days, but that is not applicable in this situation and it shows a complete lack of understanding of the seriousness.

The theories about conspiracies are equally ridiculous. None of them is able to come up with a reasonable motive for that, because there is none. That theory about Rudy Guede being an informant, might be a possibility in a bad hollywood movie, but certainly not in reality and regarding the actual evidence of this case. Other than that, if I was to blame someone innocent - why make it so complicated by blaming an american. I could just bribe everybody and put an Italian in prison without all the global media and any politically related discussions turning up.

The whole argument about them not being the ones, who commited this crime, is unnecessary. So, I'm not even getting into this. But I'm shocked what type of society we live in. If somebody asked whether something like this could be going on, especially for so many years, I would have said "No way, that's impossible!".

Also irritating me is the fact that the parents of AK and RS seem to be fighting for them no matter what. I'm sure that my parents wouldn't do such thing and justly so. The same goes for all of their groupies or paid affiliates related to the PR campaign. There is no justification to fight for the freedom of a murderer. I would never be able to forgive someone for killing a human being, they should actually be thankful for all the human rights that they are still being awarded with despite them showing total disregard for the same rights.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I'm sorry about the double-post, but I forgot to mention something that is also important to me. I imagine all these theories about nosbleeding, saliva or whatever to produce the mixed traces of DNA to be representative for the reasoning behind the Hellmann acquittal. (I didn't bother to read that motivation report and I certainly don't plan to)

Nell wrote:
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I found the arguments presented by Sarah Gino regarding the mixed blood evidence very very damning. In her opinion the DNA from Amanda Knox that got mixed with Meredith's blood in 5 instances, could have been deposited on different days and occasions. In one sample it could have been spit, in another Amanda could have cut herself, not cleaned it up and then later it would have been covered by Meredith's blood and then police picked it up in a swab.

Just imagine what is the likelihood to have this occur 5 times in 3 different locations and not find any of the other roommates who lived there for longer. Also, Amanda Knox only occasionally returned to the cottage. She had started to live with Raffaele Sollecito.

The fact that Knox's blood was found on the tap of the sink makes it more likely that the mixed samples are actually mixed blood.

[...]

I agree with you, but of course these facts about the odds of such occurence will be ignored. If we were to use such reasoning on a regular basis we would have to acquit everyone. Those explanations sound even worse to me than trying to convince a teacher that your dog ate your homework.

Let me quote one of my good friends Steve Moore on this one: "When you hear the sound of hooves outside... think horses, not zebras."


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Schdiwi wrote:
What really gets me is this public debate about "haters".

I mean, seriously, we are not talking about Amanda Knox inventing some kind of fashion style and people "hating" on her. A person lost his life and she didn't die by natural causes or some type of tragic accident. Her life was taken from her by her killers. I know it is kind of popular to call your critics a "hater" these days, but that is not applicable in this situation and it shows a complete lack of understanding of the seriousness.


Absolutely. The whole "hater" label puts the debate in the playground, but this is not playground stuff. This about the brutal, vicious and cruel rape and murder of an innocent young woman with her whole life ahead of her, all for no better reason then that she happened to exist within the sphere of influence of her killers. This is no playground spat or the criticism of someone for merely being irritating, but criticism of someone for their role in this terrible crime and for their conduct afterward. But then, that whole language was brought into this by Knox supporters who seem to believe that's exactly where they are, in a playground. The fact that Knox too is now adopting that style of language suggests to me that she, at least in part, still believes this all just one big game.


Schdiwi wrote:
Other than that, if I was to blame someone innocent - why make it so complicated by blaming an american. I could just bribe everybody and put an Italian in prison without all the global media and any politically related discussions turning up.


Exactly. When you have a case the profile of which has gone not only national but international, you don't go out of your way to fit up a young wealthy "connected" Italian man and a young middle class female American citizen, you instead go after some low life/s that nobody is going to bother caring about. This point is plain common sense which makes it useless to point out to the FOAKers, since they lost all acquaintance with common sense a very long time ago.

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Also irritating me is the fact that the parents of AK and RS seem to be fighting for them no matter what.


Well, as they said in their own words: "The Kerchers have lost their daughter, but we still have a chance to keep ours." That is the most truthful they've ever been and for them it's that simple.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I am satisfied they left out Curatolo and Quintavalle. In my opinion they are helped by the surrounding evidence and not the other way around.



Yes, since we know the case backwards we'd love to see all of the evidence put into a Doc and it wouldn't be a problem for us. But, for the uninitiated, too much information can be just as damaging as not enough. One just cannot expect peoples brains to be able to take in the whole case in one sitting of an hour, therefore a good Doc must be selective. Documentaries can't really do more then give an overview. The important thing this Doc does, is shatter the myths that there's no evidence and the prosecution of Knox is all down to "one deluded man" as it presents multiple prosecutors who are clearly convinced by the evidence and not merely under mind control by one single "demi-god" prosecutor in the form of Mignini. It also presents Meredith as more then simply a one dimensional victim, but a real person who had a life, dreams and was loved.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

As an FYI to readers, the poster formerly known as "Schdiwi" now has the username "Stefan". I hope that doesn't cause too much confusion.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I downloaded Andreas docu last night but saved it for today. Now it is gone from my computer and I am unable to get it from (anywhere). Darn!! Dailymotion has me running in circles. I should have listened to that little voice that said 'watch now'.

I did, however get my hands on John Follains book, and I can't put it down. i will make that work until I can get the docu
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
max wrote:
Brogan wrote:
jamdog at .org has posted a link to a DailyMotion upload of the BBC program for anyone who hasn't had any luck with the proxy servers. so hats off and a well done that man to him/her.

Thanks. Watching now.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1chka ... shortfilms



Ahhhh, we have a Daily Motion thingy here, so I can embed it :)



It's gone now...going thru Jamdog did not help either. Signed, frustrated computer clown
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

In this post upthread I've also embedded the Youtube version of the Doc, just in case the Daily Motion version doesn't work for everyone: viewtopic.php?p=119050#p119050

EDIT: I've removed the Daily Motion vid as it's now been deleted from their site. The Youtube version works fine though.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Iodine wrote:
ttrroonniicc wrote:
BBC says the shithead called the Carabinieri when the postal police were already there. He called them immediately after he called his Carabinieri sister privately and succinctly from a side room, to instruct her to pull strings anywhere - to do him that one big favor. To get him out of the shit. She instructed him to call the Carabinieneri who were on duty. He did so robotically.


I was looking for the old Dateline episode on this (the good one) and caught one with Anne Bremner explaining the before/after phone call thusly: "Of course he had phoned the police before, he had phoned his sister who is a cop." It was a pretty good (if misleading) answer and once she said it I was surprised they hadn't all gone with that.

I am satisfied they left out Curatolo and Quintavalle. In my opinion they are helped by the surrounding evidence and not the other way around.

An excuse like that would have been better than lying about it and hiding the calling the police after the police arrived, but at that moment they were trying not to look suspicious so they lied. It is good that the documentary points it out that he called after. The simple evidence says he called at 12:51 (till 12:55) and the Postal Police clocked their arrival at 12:35. A more thorough explanation is at:
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/T ... arrived.3F
Too bad the documentary does not include the phone call of AK to her mother as well. Denied to have been made after the arrival of the police (to cover for RS calling the police after the police arrived). I am curious to see if Nencini will correct this little error made by Massei.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox Special Draws 700,000 Viewers for BBC
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

BBC Radio 4
Who killed Meredith Kercher?
Duration: 28 minutes
First broadcast: Thursday 20 February 2014

Amanda Knox has had her conviction for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher reinstated by an Italian court. She was convicted, along with her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, in 2009. Doubts about forensic evidence meant the couple were freed after a successful appeal in 2011. But in January 2014 an appeal court reverted to the original guilty verdicts.
Reporter Ruth Alexander travels to Italy to investigate the strength of the case.


Producer: Helen Grady.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:


Alternatively, you can watch it on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgBhlvFAbUw


Thank You!

There is a lot of new information in terms of visuals. Amazing. The second layout is the suspect to evidence key, and the first layout is a connect the dots for evidence in the cottage, Meredith's bedroom, and the bathroom. There is evidence of all three convicted murderers at the crime scene.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Anne Bremner (disgraced talking head lawyer) describes this (see below) as investigators carelessly wiping away the evidence. If she doesn't recognize this as evidence collection, she should go back to the bottle. Perhaps her brother can supervise her.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Stefan wrote:

What really gets me is this public debate about "haters".



People from the United States are socialized to pick their team. For example, it has to be Republican or Democrat, White or Other, Churchgoer or Heathen, Hater (guilty) or Justice (innocent). If the suspects are guilty, people that accept this decision are "haters". If the murder suspects are not guilty, then there is justice. Black and White, up is down.

"Haters" is a rude, derogatory term. People that have nothing to say resort to name calling. "Nazi" name calling has also been delivered to the family of the victim. We can only assume that the type of people that attempt to psychologically ambush a murder victim's family with name calling were raised in a depraved environment, because decent people don't act like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

On the night before the last night of her life ... she has a day to live. Knox contacted Meredith several times that night and Meredith did not answer. Meredith went to several parties with friends. Knox and Sollecito got all dressed up with no where to go on Halloween night so they went home. Knox may have wanted to play a prank on Meredith by disguising as a cat burglar and catching her off guard. The prosecution theory is that since Knox couldn't find Meredith on Halloween, the prank/sex game happened the following night.

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Friends that knew Meredith did not have dinner at Sollecito's apartment; friends Meredith that knew Sollecito was lying.
Why would he lie about something like that if he was innocent and genuinely interested in seeing her murder solved?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hey Jester.
IIRC the higher GPAs are usually due to taking college courses... but you are right about the meaning.

Thanks for the information and also the very funny Pirate Pic. Keep the good stuff coming.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

(( OT OT ))

Oh dear, the FOAKers had better watch out!:

EU project to build lie detector for social media

10:00, Technology/Computer Sciences


In our digital age, rumours – both true and false - spread fast, often with far-reaching consequences. An international group of researchers, led by the University of Sheffield, is aiming to build a system that will automatically verify online rumours as they spread around the globe.

Social networks have been used to spread accusations of vote-rigging in Kenyan elections, allege that Barack Obama was Muslim and claim that the animals were set free from London Zoo during the 2011 riots. In all of these cases – and many more – an ability to quickly verify information and track its provenance would enable journalists, governments, emergency services, health agencies and the private sector to respond more effectively.

Lead researcher, Dr Kalina Bontcheva, from the University of Sheffield's Faculty of Engineering explains: "There was a suggestion after the 2011 riots that social networks should have been shut down, to prevent the rioters using them to organise. But social networks also provide useful information – the problem is that it all happens so fast and we can't quickly sort truth from lies. This makes it difficult to respond to rumours, for example, for the emergency services to quash a lie in order to keep a situation calm. Our system aims to help with that, by tracking and verifying information in real time."

The EU-funded project aims to classify online rumours into four types: speculation – such as whether interest rates might rise; controversy – as over the MMR vaccine; misinformation, where something untrue is spread unwittingly; and disinformation, where it's done with malicious intent.

The system will also automatically categorise sources to assess their authority, such as news outlets, individual journalists, experts, potential eye witnesses, members of the public or automated 'bots'. It will also look for a history and background, to help spot where Twitter accounts have been created purely to spread false information.

It will search for sources that corroborate or deny the information, and plot how the conversations on social networks evolve, using all of this information to assess whether it is true or false. The results will be displayed to the user in a visual dashboard, to enable them to easily see whether a rumour is taking hold...


For whole article: PHYSORG

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Unbelievable: Knox spoke to THE DAILY UW newspaper!

Amanda Knox: School Provides Respite After Murder Conviction
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19 February 2014

"I feel like after so much time in dealing with this, I’ve gained a store of inner fortitude, but only so much . . . that this doesn’t completely debilitate me," Knox told The Daily UW this week. "That doesn’t mean that I feel okay, and that doesn’t mean that I don’t feel hurt."

"In Italy, I’m a convicted murderer," she continued. "That shouldn’t carry weight because it’s not true, but it does. We are social, that is what human beings are — we have a place in society and it seems like that is taken away from me for nothing."


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:34 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

A student through it all: Amanda Knox returns to UW to finish her final degree requirements
Amanda Knox is working toward a degree in creative writing.

By Deanna Isaacs
19 February 2014

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:00 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

"Meredith case, Nencini convened by the CSM
Interview on Reminder: three votes in favor, two against, one abstention.

The Supreme Judicial Council has convened the court Alessandro Nencini, presiding judge of the appeal process a murder of Meredith Kercher for the interview date after the ruling and therefore prior to the filing of the reasons. The magistrate must be heard March 11 by the first commission of the CSM, which has opened a fasciscolo against him."
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks max. From the linked article:

COMMISSION SPLIT. The decision to hear Nencini, however, has split the commission. Votes in favor of convening Nencini have been three: those of stipendiary Mariano Sciacca (Unicost) and Antonello Racanelli (independent judiciary) and President Hannibal Marini (secular center-right).
Instead against are Paolo Carfì and Francesco Vigorito, who are judges of the area, which was sufficient for the acquisition of the interview already made ​​by the Commission. Abstain the secular Democratic Party Glauco Giostra.


I've read in another article that Unicost has joined Forza Italia in submitting a request to open a disciplinary procedure on Nencini (a lot of political wheeling and dealing behind the scenes).

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Criticisms and doubts were expressed by the CSM; after the lay members of the center-right, also the judge of Unicost, Riccardo Fuzio, had requested an opening of a procedure before the Commission. According to Fuzio, Nencini has "violated" the principle that the reasons for the sentence shall be referred to the motivation of the proceedings.


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LAST ACT IN THE AFFAIR. The hearing of the President of the Court of Assizes in Florence is probably going to be the final act of the investigation by the Commission , which must decide whether to initiate proceedings against him on the office relocation or close the case with storage or transmission of documents to the holders of the disciplinary action, namely the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of the Supreme Court, which, however, have already started their investigations on the matter.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox exploits gullible patriots as her victim is forgotten

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

max wrote:
"Meredith case, Nencini convened by the CSM
Interview on Reminder: three votes in favor, two against, one abstention.

The Supreme Judicial Council has convened the court Alessandro Nencini, presiding judge of the appeal process a murder of Meredith Kercher for the interview date after the ruling and therefore prior to the filing of the reasons. The magistrate must be heard March 11 by the first commission of the CSM, which has opened a fasciscolo against him."
http://www.lettera43.it/cronaca/caso-me ... 122784.htm


If the reason for the outrage is that judge Nencini gave an interview before filing his reasoning report, then it begs the question why there was nothing filed against Hellman, especially since his remarks were sensational, saying Knox could well be guilty, because the "truth created in the courtroom can be different from the real truth".

Hellmann gave the interview also before he filed his reasoning report.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Unbelievable: Knox spoke to THE DAILY UW newspaper!

Amanda Knox: School Provides Respite After Murder Conviction
By Alexandra Ward
19 February 2014

"I feel like after so much time in dealing with this, I’ve gained a store of inner fortitude, but only so much . . . that this doesn’t completely debilitate me," Knox told The Daily UW this week. "That doesn’t mean that I feel okay, and that doesn’t mean that I don’t feel hurt."

"In Italy, I’m a convicted murderer," she continued. "That shouldn’t carry weight because it’s not true, but it does. We are social, that is what human beings are — we have a place in society and it seems like that is taken away from me for nothing."


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I read that interview too. Bottom line: It's really unfair she was convicted for murder in Italy, but it's not a biggie because it shouldn't matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yep, and 'cos the murder conviction happened in Italy, it doesn't really count in the good old US of A.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
max wrote:
"Meredith case, Nencini convened by the CSM
Interview on Reminder: three votes in favor, two against, one abstention.

The Supreme Judicial Council has convened the court Alessandro Nencini, presiding judge of the appeal process a murder of Meredith Kercher for the interview date after the ruling and therefore prior to the filing of the reasons. The magistrate must be heard March 11 by the first commission of the CSM, which has opened a fasciscolo against him."
http://www.lettera43.it/cronaca/caso-me ... 122784.htm


If the reason for the outrage is that judge Nencini gave an interview before filing his reasoning report, then it begs the question why there was nothing filed against Hellman, especially since his remarks were sensational, saying Knox could well be guilty, because the "truth created in the courtroom can be different from the real truth".

Hellmann gave the interview also before he filed his reasoning report.

The whole thing seems very silly. They are already split on it so I don't think much will come of it. Nencini needs to concentrate on writing the report. He doesn't need this political gibberish. Maybe it is good the SC is doing its own investigation.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Greetings...I am reading John Follain's book, which I find to be very revealing about the murderer, Amanda Knox
Between Pages 20 &21, I found 3 red flags I thought I would share with y'all.

pg 20 "The bigger and scarrier the roller coaster, the better". Amanda Knox

pg 21 "Because she likes to try experimenting with everything". Deanna on sis, Amanda,

pg 21 "I wanted her to have a little fear, as far as self preservation goes". Edda on daughter, Amanda.( Eddas fears were realized)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:13 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I'm always wondering about Amanda Knox and her thoughts about injustice.

Is she just insane and not able to feel any guilt or admit a mistake?
Did she try to convince everyone of her stories to the point that she actually started to belief them herself?
Were people influencing her to stay with these stories to make her what she is now?

I just don't get this and it makes me sick every time I have to hear from her.

Also, after watching the documentary and seeing some of her statements in court and after her return to Seattle I get the impression that her biggest concern is always how she's perceived by other people. The issue isn't her conviction or the prison term, but rather that people perceive her as an assassin. In recent time she kept saying this murder case isn't her life, this isn't everything that she stands for or whatever. But she doesn't show any remorse or sympathy towards the victim, her supposed friend, Meredith Kercher. She's just caught in self-pitying herself, trying to convince everyone of her lies to get herself out of this. I think this also confirms the motive of rejection by Meredith, Amanda just can't take this. Everyone has to love her and if they don't, they are haters and have to be silenced.

Raffaele Sollecito on the other hand is a strange character, he is always whining about his life after this "incident". But seeing him in court when he was acquitted I didn't see any relief in his face, it was more like a strange disbelief. Also, I don't believe that this guy would sit innocent in prison for 4 years because of some kind of honour bound. If he was collateral damage and only convicted because of his links to Amanda Knox he would have come up with something to get himself out of this. I think it's sad he "wasn't asked to stand cross-examination", I guess he would have contradicted his stories within minutes and started crying.

They are both pathetic.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
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What really gets me is this public debate about "haters".



People from the United States are socialized to pick their team. For example, it has to be Republican or Democrat, White or Other, Churchgoer or Heathen, Hater (guilty) or Justice (innocent). If the suspects are guilty, people that accept this decision are "haters". If the murder suspects are not guilty, then there is justice. Black and White, up is down.

"Haters" is a rude, derogatory term. People that have nothing to say resort to name calling. "Nazi" name calling has also been delivered to the family of the victim. We can only assume that the type of people that attempt to psychologically ambush a murder victim's family with name calling were raised in a depraved environment, because decent people don't act like that.

I hope you are fine with me highlighting the last senctence of your quote, because that was my point.

I have very strong feelings when reading such accusations and name calling. Especially that "Nazi" quote from Doug Bremner struck me hard. A lot of people use this without really knowing what they are saying. In the last years I witnessed a lot of discussions in Germany about topics like the EU, family, immigration and religions ending with that "Nazi" name.

I feel like there is a new trend developing, where you don't deal with your opposition with valid points in a discussion, but rather trying to defame them in the public by calling them names. This trend is very alarming to me, a lot of things become one-sided and that is bad. This case is just another example of that, Amanda Knox and her PR campaign are trying hard to draw this image of Rudy Guede as the lone perpetrator to achieve her innocence. I know they didn't reach as many people as they would have wanted to, but they somehow got her acquittal in the Hellmann appeal and she's still out there giving interviews.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Doug Bremner caught out LYING about sister Anne Bremner:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Stefan wrote:
I have very strong feelings when reading such accusations and name calling. Especially that "Nazi" quote from Doug Bremner struck me hard. A lot of people use this without really knowing what they are saying. In the last years I witnessed a lot of discussions in Germany about topics like the EU, family, immigration and religions ending with that "Nazi" name.



It's what people have to resort to when they have no facts or argument to fall back on. It also is yet another case of FOAKer projection. Doug and friends have certainly done nothing on a par with murdering Jews and Gypsies but despite the claims by many of them to be of liberal roots, many of them contain an "inner Nazi" which often shows its face. It is no accident that the Italian faction they have allied themselves with tend to be either right wing or out and out fascist. The FOAKers are ersatz liberals, just as it is true that the "feminists" amongst them are faux feminists. I have to say, I actually prefer fascists, they are generally honest about what they are and you can see them coming, whereas these faux liberals are certainly not with their fake superficial veneers.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Doug Bremner caught out LYING about sister Anne Bremner:



Hi Tiziano. When lying becomes a way of life...

Once, as with the FOAKers, one has told so many big lies for such a long time what then is the point of telling the truth about the smaller things? Once one becomes a liar about one big thing for a long time, it eventually turns one into a full-blown liar. It is the self-corrupting nature of lies, like a cancer that spreads but this is a cancer of the soul. For many of them, I have little doubt this process began long before they got involved in this case and indeed, that is why they were attracted to it. Many of them see themselves reflected in Knox and Sollecito. They are also, as we see in your screens, all of them, unashamed self-promotionalists, each puffing themselves and each other up in one huge circle jerk.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
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I have very strong feelings when reading such accusations and name calling. Especially that "Nazi" quote from Doug Bremner struck me hard. A lot of people use this without really knowing what they are saying. In the last years I witnessed a lot of discussions in Germany about topics like the EU, family, immigration and religions ending with that "Nazi" name.



It's what people have to resort to when they have no facts or argument to fall back on. It also is yet another case of FOAKer projection. Doug and friends have certainly done nothing on a par with murdering Jews and Gypsies but despite the claims by many of them to be of liberal roots, many of them contain an "inner Nazi" which often shows its face. It is no accident that the Italian faction they have allied themselves with tend to be either right wing or out and out fascist. The FOAKers are ersatz liberals, just as it is true that the "feminists" amongst them are faux feminists. I have to say, I actually prefer fascists, they are generally honest about what they are and you can see them coming, whereas these faux liberals are certainly not with their fake superficial veneers.


The original tweet from Bremner did not in fact mention "Nazis", but "Germans", which is even worse in my opinion. It was the Nazis who committed crimes against humanity, not the Germans. To compare the victims of the holocaust to the sentencing of a murderer duly convicted by the courts of justice is obscene.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Greetings...I am reading John Follain's book, which I find to be very revealing about the murderer, Amanda Knox
Between Pages 20 &21, I found 3 red flags I thought I would share with y'all.

pg 20 "The bigger and scarrier the roller coaster, the better". Amanda Knox

pg 21 "Because she likes to try experimenting with everything". Deanna on sis, Amanda,

pg 21 "I wanted her to have a little fear, as far as self preservation goes". Edda on daughter, Amanda.( Eddas fears were realized)

pp-(



This trait in Knox's character is simply one in the pot that when brought together with other aspects, created the recipe for her becoming a murderer. One or just two or three of these elements alone wouldn't have been enough, but when all blended together and added to the right circumstances, like a perfect alignment of the stars and planets, a murdereress is born.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael: "It is the self-corrupting nature lies, like a cancer that spreads but this is a cancer of the soul."

Michael, as you say this truly is self-corrupting and like a disease, when these people lie about things that can be so easily disproved, such as the inane lie about Anne Bremner having had an honorary degree conferred upon her "today", accompanied by a photo of her giving an address at the Trinity College Law Society, a student body, not the University Council which confers degrees.

As the Italian proverb says: 'Le bugie hanno gambe corte'; 'Lies have short legs'. Mark Twain must have been thinking about inveterate liars when he wrote: 'If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.'

The supporters of Knox all seem not to have any real connection with the truth nor with reality.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:26 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Tiziano wrote:
The original tweet from Bremner did not in fact mention "Nazis", but "Germans", which is even worse in my opinion. It was the Nazis who committed crimes against humanity, not the Germans. To compare the victims of the holocaust to the sentencing of a murderer duly convicted by the courts of justice is obscene.


It's also an unfortunate comment to make considering Knox's German heritage along with her "My people killed your people! Ha Ha Ha!!!" comment to a Jewish workmate she'd only just met and the mass circulated photo of her sitting behind a German machine gun with "my inner Nazi" caption. And let's also not forget her infamous drinking video where the derogatory comments regarding Jews were made.

In addition, Doug's comments will go down poorly with Americans, but even more so with Europeans who actually live where the Nazi atrocities took place and suffered under it, the Jewish and Gypsy communities for obvious reasons and the Germans themselves, who are very touchy about such references. Hyperbole from the FOAKers is standard, but this route will lose them friends and make them many enemies. I also note the BBC didn't appear very happy about it either, as the BBC's Danial Sanford certainly had something to say about Doug Bremner's comments. They are behaving like this not in some FOAKer corner on the web that hardly anyone looks at, but on Twitter no less where the whole world can see. And the fact that his sister is the self-proclaimed head of the Friends of Amanda organisation makes it extremely damaging.

But, this is the problem for the FOAKers...they have now crossed the line so many times they no longer know where it is. It's like watching a train wreck happen is slow motion. Honestly, it couldn't happen to nicer people. We reap what we sow.

I think that when I decided to take the case for Meredith to Twitter it was one of the best moves we made. Because then, it forced the FOAKers to also take to Twitter to try and counter and that made them show themselves and their true nature to the whole world. It's one thing to make rabid comments in defence of Knox on some corner of the IIP, the JREF, Ground Report and the comments sections of articles which journalists and hardly anyone outside the case bothers to read, but quite another to show yourselves in all your obnoxious glory on Twitter, pretty much the front page of the web. I wonder what Marriott must think of that...is he even aware of the damage they are doing? I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't. If some of those Tweets were forwarded to David Marriott and Curt Knox I would imagine there'd be some hefty fireworks behind the scenes.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:43 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Very true about Twitter Michael; the Foakers have revealed and continue to reveal all that is rotten about themselves and the perverted PR campaign. They have gathered around themselves a real army of misfits and cranks who have damaged the FOA/Knox brand even further.

The other terrible mistake was the original "noi siamo innocenti" meme which was an invitation to parody. The FB page 'Perugia vi odia' responding to the original meme has now been closed, but not before spreading the ridicule even further around the world and being picked up by the print media.

I would say that at the Marriott stables the horses have bolted and have joined their wild brothers. A total loss of control.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

tamale wrote:
Greetings...I am reading John Follain's book, which I find to be very revealing about the murderer, Amanda Knox
Between Pages 20 &21, I found 3 red flags I thought I would share with y'all.

pg 20 "The bigger and scarrier the roller coaster, the better". Amanda Knox

pg 21 "Because she likes to try experimenting with everything". Deanna on sis, Amanda,

pg 21 "I wanted her to have a little fear, as far as self preservation goes". Edda on daughter, Amanda.( Eddas fears were realized)

(Sollecito) described himself on an internet blog as someone who liked to try "risky things" and was sometimes "totally crazy", and he was a collector of Japanese manga comics, known for their extreme violence and rape fantasies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/6727324/Meredith-Kercher-trial-Raffaele-Sollecito-profile.html

"Sollecito Raffaele, bored of the same old evening and wanting to try "extreme experiences" as can be found on his blog with the date 13 October 2007 and as he confirmed in the audience chamber (experiences that can include also an intense sexual relation which breaks up the monotony of everyday life"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568861/How-the-sex-game-went-wrong-Judges-report.html

Sollecito on his blog:



Knox short story "with cavalier reference to rape" (Barbara Nadeau) "Whether or not Amanda meant to condone sexual violence, prosecutors took this story as proof that she had at least fantasized about it."

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Tiziano wrote:
The other terrible mistake was the original "noi siamo innocenti" meme which was an invitation to parody. The FB page 'Perugia vi odia' responding to the original meme has now been closed, but not before spreading the ridicule even further around the world and being picked up by the print media.


Oh, their campaign has had many serious backfires. Not least, Knox's interviews on the MSM networks. They convinced more people of her guilt, in one way or another, then all of our efforts to educate the public for the duration of 2012/13. And most of those viewers that were simply "unsure" came away not liking her. In fact, I think even one FOAKer after those interviews withdrew their support saying they no longer believed in her innocence. The "noi siamo innocenti" stunt, where undoubtedly Knox and her family believed they were being extremely clever and classy, was one of her worst recent mistakes. A truly canny person would have avoided such a stupid move seeing the dangers off the bat. As it stands, all it served to do was bring down the scorn of the public on her head, as for many of whom it was the last straw, not least the Italian community and Perugians in particular. Expect more huge mistakes like this as Knox and her supporters get evermore desperate.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Shortly, I'm going to start a new PMF poll (we haven't had one for a long time). I actually planned it two or three weeks ago. Essentially, the question is going to be along the lines of: "Of Knox and Sollecito since their release, which one of the two with their various shenanigans do you think has racked up the most stupidity points?"

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Another of their serious mistakes, is to allow idiots like Steve Moore to represent their campaign in MSM interviews and debates. Talk about toxic!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Help Please

I want to put Ted Bundy's head on AK's 'we are innocent' photo. How do I do this? It would be greatly appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction :)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

An omnibus reply to the many good points raised by people here:

Re: the UW article, pity the writer didn't acknowledge the accumulated evidence pointing to her guilt. Its all about plucky Knox, moving on. Looking at her picture, though, I am reminded of what Canadian murderess Karla Homolka looks like now, thoroughly mad, raddled with guilt.

Yes, Doug Bremner's original tweet was about "what Germans did to the Jews and Gypsies" and this conflation of Germans with Nazis was the most egregious of many mistakes, and caused quite a stir in the media, I tell you. It shows the FOA mindset, but also, their irrational hatred of the Kerchers, who are every thing they are not.

Yes, the Twitterverse has become quite the thing. We posted over a hundred thousand comments there, not even automated like the PR types do (my modest ;) contribution: 3600+) and with the use of the #amandaknox hashtag reached millions. The mainstream doesn't quite know what to make of us, but alternative media can and will supplant them unless if they don't understand the phenomenon. My favorite TV show "The Newsroom", it appears they get it, but most, still do not. My exchanges with Jim Clemente of CBS, Melanie Moon of Fox TV, and various journalists in Rome, showed that sadly, some still are clueless. Even the fact the lesser watched BBC3 showed the Andrea Vogt documentary is a good thing, IMO. Twitter is the young person's medium, and one thing old folk politicians and media have learned: respect what young people are thinking, and they certainly don't seem to be supporting Knox and Sollecito!

Michael's idea for a poll is a great thing, but first you'd have to make a list of all the boneheaded things Knox and Sollecito did, which comes to many pages. Are they competing with each other, or what?

In Anita column: Her latest, and stupidest: Her blog, where she reveals how clueless she is, by insulting the Kerchers, the victim's family, and clearly, by calling it 'dialog', encouraging her band of crazed followers to go out over the internet to do same. Putting her name to it was "signing her own death wish", IMO. (The 'Siamo Innocenti thing is just a subset of that)

But Biff, not to be outdone: his marriage proposals, to all and sundry ladies wot he met on the internet. Hasn't he learned from his friend Frank Sfarzo's frantic attempts to get a green card? All it did was reveal what a flight risk he is, to the DR, to Austria. That's what he does, when the going get tough, he gets er, going. He fled Italy, going to London and visiting Meredith's grave while Cassazione was hearing his case last March, only returning when he found out there wasn't going to be a travel restriction. His lawyers told him he should appear at the appeal court, which he reluctantly does, but then, he doesn't open his mouth, (despite Nencini's suggestion to the 'ragazzi' he do so, in hindsight a dumb move by the judge IMO) then Sollecito flees Florence to Austria before the judges rule, only returning when he finds out the court didn't restrict him again. So he gets caught, and his passport taken away :)

What a sad bunch of Fools, the Murderers and their Groupies.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:04 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi, Aranavachi, you need Photoshop skills for that, but many image manipulation programs can do that. Find an image of Ted Bundy in the same tonal range as the original Knox Siamo Innocenti photo, snip Ted Bundy's head off :) save, then stitch it on to Knox's body, then post the result here. IMGFLIP the original meme generator might not be the best way to do that. You need Photoshop or the like, or, you can slip $25 to some kid to do it for you :)

Beyond my skill set, alas.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Help Please

I want to put Ted Bundy's head on AK's 'we are innocent' photo. How do I do this? It would be greatly appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction :)

Thanks in advance


I use photoshop for modifying the photo. Would you like me to do it for you? Do you have a specific Bundy photo in mind? I can leave the sheet of paper blank, or add text for you, whatever you prefer.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

We were kicking their shins so hard on WS that they shut the entire topic down.

I have never had that happen before while a case was still going on.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
Help Please

I want to put Ted Bundy's head on AK's 'we are innocent' photo. How do I do this? It would be greatly appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction :)

Thanks in advance


I use photoshop for modifying the photo. Would you like me to do it for you? Do you have a specific Bundy photo in mind? I can leave the sheet of paper blank, or add text for you, whatever you prefer.


I would very much appreciate it if you would - that will be great! Thank you! th-) Yay-) Yay-) Yay-)

Nauseating as it was I went through Ted Bundy photos to see what would look good - I think this classic shot is the best to evoke the message:
http://www.totallytop10.com/wp-content/ ... 20x476.jpg

I think the text should be 'I am innocent' or maybe "am I innocent?"




The reason I thought of this Bundy parody was that he is not your typical killer - in the sense that he was a normal educated and charming member of society. For that reason I think a lot of people wanted to believe he was innocent, just like they want to believe Knox is innocent. Its very scary that someone who fits the profile of many of our family members, friends, neighbors, etc could be a murderer and for that reason we don't accept the facts - people want to believe that they would recognize a murderer - they would be able to see something wrong with the person. This is self preservation and then denial when things don't unfold that way. Thats why they accept that Guede, the black guy with low education and accused of some petty crime did it alone. He fits the bill and its comforting to us. However when we have a perfectly normal girl murder someone - it shatters are preconceptions of the world around us and the security that has been set up around that belief...

there are many parallels I can see between Knox and Bundy.

Bundy also blames the police, saying "the police aren't willing to accept what I think they know, and they know that I didn't do these things"

One thing is that he was actually a good student and later in life had a respectable occupation and he was a lot smarter and didn't get caught for a long time.


Meanwhile I remembered that Ted's mother was a staunch supporter of his murdering son and maintained he was innocent until he confessed...she said "'And I know this, too, that our never-ending faith in Ted - our faith that he is innocent - has never wavered. And it never will.'

Even in the end she told him "you will always be my precious son!"
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

More gossip - Sollecito, living the 'grand' life (vivere alla grande):

Raffaele Sollecito traveling by Ferrari as a star
By Carlo Mondonico
20 February 2014

Only on News 2000 an unprecedented Raffaele Sollecito aboard a flaming red Ferrari, driven by a driver, as he left the television studios of Mediaset, after being interviewed by Barbara d'Urso on Domenica Live. The young man on trial for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, was sentenced January 30 by the Assize Court of Appeal of Florence to 25 years in prison, even though for now he is only subject to precautionary measure of prohibition, with a withdrawal of his passport. This does not prevent him from going around freely in a Ferrari, to appear on TV and especially love his girlfriend Greta Menegaldo.

The exclusive of News 2000, on newsstands Thursday, February 20.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

You can listen to The Report's Episode Who killed Meredith Kercher? that will be broadcast in about an hour (at 8 pm UK time) on BBC radio 4 here:

http://streema.com/radios/BBC_Radio_4_UK_Only

An excerpt from the programme:

Sollecito: Investigators 'never cared' about DNA evidence

Raffaele Sollecito, the Italian student convicted of the murder of Meredith Kercher, has told the BBC forensic evidence in his case has been ignored.

He says investigators have paid no attention to potential DNA evidence left on a pillow in the flat where Ms Kercher died.

Mr Sollecito spoke to the BBC's Ruth Alexander in Italy.

Hear the full interview on The Report on BBC Radio 4 on Thursday, 20 February at 20:00 GMT. Listen again via the BBC iPlayer or download the podcast.

This excerpt was broadcast on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Thursday 20 February


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Damien Echols, one of the "West Memphis Three" has tweeted this today:

Damien Echols ‏@damienechols 12h
Having dinner with my friend Amanda Knox. Please support her. You can follow her at @amamaknox ....

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With every passing day, it seems she is getting uglier and uglier. I guess the killer's true colors are coming through...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Aranavachi wrote:
Jester wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
Help Please

I want to put Ted Bundy's head on AK's 'we are innocent' photo. How do I do this? It would be greatly appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction :)

Thanks in advance


I use photoshop for modifying the photo. Would you like me to do it for you? Do you have a specific Bundy photo in mind? I can leave the sheet of paper blank, or add text for you, whatever you prefer.


I would very much appreciate it if you would - that will be great! Thank you! th-) Yay-) Yay-) Yay-)

Nauseating as it was I went through Ted Bundy photos to see what would look good - I think this classic shot is the best to evoke the message:
http://www.totallytop10.com/wp-content/ ... 20x476.jpg

I think the text should be 'I am innocent' or maybe "am I innocent?"




The reason I thought of this Bundy parody was that he is not your typical killer - in the sense that he was a normal educated and charming member of society. For that reason I think a lot of people wanted to believe he was innocent, just like they want to believe Knox is innocent. Its very scary that someone who fits the profile of many of our family members, friends, neighbors, etc could be a murderer and for that reason we don't accept the facts - people want to believe that they would recognize a murderer - they would be able to see something wrong with the person. This is self preservation and then denial when things don't unfold that way. Thats why they accept that Guede, the black guy with low education and accused of some petty crime did it alone. He fits the bill and its comforting to us. However when we have a perfectly normal girl murder someone - it shatters are preconceptions of the world around us and the security that has been set up around that belief...

there are many parallels I can see between Knox and Bundy.

Bundy also blames the police, saying "the police aren't willing to accept what I think they know, and they know that I didn't do these things"

One thing is that he was actually a good student and later in life had a respectable occupation and he was a lot smarter and didn't get caught for a long time.


Meanwhile I remembered that Ted's mother was a staunch supporter of his murdering son and maintained he was innocent until he confessed...she said "'And I know this, too, that our never-ending faith in Ted - our faith that he is innocent - has never wavered. And it never will.'

Even in the end she told him "you will always be my precious son!"


Here you are ... right click, save, and you should be able to post it where ever you like.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Greetings...I am reading John Follain's book, which I find to be very revealing about the murderer, Amanda Knox
Between Pages 20 &21, I found 3 red flags I thought I would share with y'all.

pg 20 "The bigger and scarrier the roller coaster, the better". Amanda Knox

pg 21 "Because she likes to try experimenting with everything". Deanna on sis, Amanda,

pg 21 "I wanted her to have a little fear, as far as self preservation goes". Edda on daughter, Amanda.( Eddas fears were realized)

(Sollecito) described himself on an internet blog as someone who liked to try "risky things" and was sometimes "totally crazy", and he was a collector of Japanese manga comics, known for their extreme violence and rape fantasies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/6727324/Meredith-Kercher-trial-Raffaele-Sollecito-profile.html

"Sollecito Raffaele, bored of the same old evening and wanting to try "extreme experiences" as can be found on his blog with the date 13 October 2007 and as he confirmed in the audience chamber (experiences that can include also an intense sexual relation which breaks up the monotony of everyday life"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568861/How-the-sex-game-went-wrong-Judges-report.html

Sollecito on his blog:



Knox short story "with cavalier reference to rape" (Barbara Nadeau) "Whether or not Amanda meant to condone sexual violence, prosecutors took this story as proof that she had at least fantasized about it."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/04/02/how-the-media-got-knox-wrong.html


Thanks...I remember all this, I guess Follain gobsmacked me. haha
We have gained much understanding over the last 7 years and we will gain more before the fat lady sings (again)/ pp-(
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
Jester wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
Help Please

I want to put Ted Bundy's head on AK's 'we are innocent' photo. How do I do this? It would be greatly appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction :)

Thanks in advance


I use photoshop for modifying the photo. Would you like me to do it for you? Do you have a specific Bundy photo in mind? I can leave the sheet of paper blank, or add text for you, whatever you prefer.


I would very much appreciate it if you would - that will be great! Thank you! th-) Yay-) Yay-) Yay-)

Nauseating as it was I went through Ted Bundy photos to see what would look good - I think this classic shot is the best to evoke the message:
http://www.totallytop10.com/wp-content/ ... 20x476.jpg

I think the text should be 'I am innocent' or maybe "am I innocent?"




The reason I thought of this Bundy parody was that he is not your typical killer - in the sense that he was a normal educated and charming member of society. For that reason I think a lot of people wanted to believe he was innocent, just like they want to believe Knox is innocent. Its very scary that someone who fits the profile of many of our family members, friends, neighbors, etc could be a murderer and for that reason we don't accept the facts - people want to believe that they would recognize a murderer - they would be able to see something wrong with the person. This is self preservation and then denial when things don't unfold that way. Thats why they accept that Guede, the black guy with low education and accused of some petty crime did it alone. He fits the bill and its comforting to us. However when we have a perfectly normal girl murder someone - it shatters are preconceptions of the world around us and the security that has been set up around that belief...

there are many parallels I can see between Knox and Bundy.

Bundy also blames the police, saying "the police aren't willing to accept what I think they know, and they know that I didn't do these things"

One thing is that he was actually a good student and later in life had a respectable occupation and he was a lot smarter and didn't get caught for a long time.


Meanwhile I remembered that Ted's mother was a staunch supporter of his murdering son and maintained he was innocent until he confessed...she said "'And I know this, too, that our never-ending faith in Ted - our faith that he is innocent - has never wavered. And it never will.'

Even in the end she told him "you will always be my precious son!"


Here you are ... right click, save, and you should be able to post it where ever you like.

Image

Image

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Thank you a million times!! It's fantastic Yay-)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The podcast of the BBC Radio 4's episode Who killed Meredith Kercher? is available for download:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/r4report
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:17 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

This being the BBC radio podcast where the BBC trust, getting shitloads of flak from the last few dozen groupies remaining, plus Ian Katz, ex of the Guardian thrusting his oar in, 'balances' the Andrea Vogt doc with a reporter that ends with 'reasonable doubt', and 'we will never know what happened to Meredith Kercher'.

Of course, it is said the average age of BBC radio listeners is 87, and, they ALL know Knox and Sollecito are guilty, so there. Hope BBC news will cover the Knox trial even more thoroughly once we get to Cassazione, next year.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Damien Echols, one of the "West Memphis Three" has tweeted this today:

Damien Echols ‏@damienechols 12h
Having dinner with my friend Amanda Knox. Please support her. You can follow her at @amamaknox ....

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With every passing day, it seems she is getting uglier and uglier. I guess the killer's true colors are coming through...


I can't believe how awful Knox looks. Do you notice how STRAINED the neck muscles are ?

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Is she going for the butch look?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Is she going for the butch look?



Not the Lipstick Lesbian look, that's for sure. I have to say..( not that I would have ever thought to do so..But..Madison looks way better than Knox now :)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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This being the BBC radio podcast where the BBC trust, getting shitloads of flak from the last few dozen groupies remaining, plus Ian Katz, ex of the Guardian thrusting his oar in, 'balances' the Andrea Vogt doc with a reporter that ends with 'reasonable doubt', and 'we will never know what happened to Meredith Kercher'.

Of course, it is said the average age of BBC radio listeners is 87, and, they ALL know Knox and Sollecito are guilty, so there. Hope BBC news will cover the Knox trial even more thoroughly once we get to Cassazione, next year.


Very funny post, Ergon :).......Especially the listeners all over 87.LOL

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Jester wrote:
Is she going for the butch look?



What is it with her massive fake smile - She looks Star struck! This is the kind of face people pull when posing with Katy Perry or something, like YAY look who I am with wtf)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

And I thought Damien Echols was innocent. Now I am not so sure :?
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Aranavachi wrote:
Jester wrote:
Is she going for the butch look?


What is it with her massive fake smile - She looks Star struck! This is the kind of face people pull when posing with Katy Perry or something, like YAY look who I am with wtf)


What's a girl to do when she has $4 million in her pocket and a whole bunch of new friends with prison time under their belts! It must be confusing times for someone that has a long reputation for inappropriate behaviour.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

dgfred wrote:
We were kicking their shins so hard on WS that they shut the entire topic down.

I have never had that happen before while a case was still going on.


No more comments about convicted murderer Amanda Knox.
No more victim friendly discussion about the Meredith Kercher murder, and ongoing trial.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

max wrote:
And I thought Damien Echols was innocent. Now I am not so sure :?


I noticed that some of his friends were warning him to be careful about aligning himself with a convicted murder. I hope that some of Ryan Ferguson's friends pointed out that he and Diya Patrick Lumumba have more in common than Knox has with either of them.
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Ergon wrote:
Hi, Aranavachi, you need Photoshop skills for that, but many image manipulation programs can do that. Find an image of Ted Bundy in the same tonal range as the original Knox Siamo Innocenti photo, snip Ted Bundy's head off :) save, then stitch it on to Knox's body, then post the result here. IMGFLIP the original meme generator might not be the best way to do that. You need Photoshop or the like, or, you can slip $25 to some kid to do it for you :)

Beyond my skill set, alas.


Who needs $25 kids when you've got adults with an extra five minutes.
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capealadin wrote:
Jester wrote:
Is she going for the butch look?


Not the Lipstick Lesbian look, that's for sure. I have to say..( not that I would have ever thought to do so..But..Madison looks way better than Knox now :)


Madison has her long, flowing locks. Knox's hair is allegedly falling out. Knox chopped off her hair in prison with a similar cut, much to her mother's distress. She looks butch and Mad Pax has a feminine look because of the long hair?
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Knox is transparent.

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Was Knox a 'beginner' grifter when she first met Sollecito, looking for the nice guy with some money in his pocket? She had a number of 'hook-ups' (nothing more than a one night stand) in the time that she was in Europe (5 weeks?) but apparently no romance success until she met Sollecito. She hit the jackpot when she met the inexperienced Sollecito. He was familiar with Knox's creative writing rape fantasy themes through her myspace and he has an addiction to suggestive Japarnese Anime rape and murder scores. Apparently they really hit it off and were together non-stop from the moment they met until a couple of weeks later at their incarcerations. Knox's first game is making faces at each other as they lay in bed with a complete stranger. What was her second game? What was her game a week later?

Do you think a requirement for Knox to earn her degree is that her creative writing have something to do with the memories of children and grandmothers, so not much about rape, murder, and drugs?

Wouldn't any discussion of Grandma's view of the world delve into the Nazi problem? I think so. Never mind Grandma's memories. What about children - there's dad's children, the two young girls that were dragged to Perugia to witness their father's oldest child sentenced to 26 years in prison for murdering a university student. Their oldest sister was on a junket that year, and they were getting free airplane trips to provide talking heads with murder gossip about their sister. Not exactly good childhood memories.

I think she's stuck with her drugs, rape, murder creative writing theme.
Is she thinking that she'll become a great murder mystrery writier, or a dick tracy shady drug head. Perhaps she'll be a butch wash-up hanging around with prison releases reminiscing about the days before they got caught. She latched onto them like bees on honey, mosquitoes on people and dirt on mud.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:46 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

How long until talking heads realize that there is no profit in convicted murderers.

Who likes fiest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltYq-jalYm0

... or what https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBN1CkyRzmE
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Hi, Aranavachi, you need Photoshop skills for that, but many image manipulation programs can do that. Find an image of Ted Bundy in the same tonal range as the original Knox Siamo Innocenti photo, snip Ted Bundy's head off :) save, then stitch it on to Knox's body, then post the result here. IMGFLIP the original meme generator might not be the best way to do that. You need Photoshop or the like, or, you can slip $25 to some kid to do it for you :)

Beyond my skill set, alas.


Who needs $25 kids when you've got adults with an extra five minutes.


Who am I to volunteer the many nice people on the board, but if someone wants to wash my car, I can post my address. Or maybe not, with 'Betty Ninja' on the loose :)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
Jester wrote:
Is she going for the butch look?


What is it with her massive fake smile - She looks Star struck! This is the kind of face people pull when posing with Katy Perry or something, like YAY look who I am with wtf)


What's a girl to do when she has $4 million in her pocket and a whole bunch of new friends with prison time under their belts! It must be confusing times for someone that has a long reputation for inappropriate behaviour.


You're right! Just when I thought I couldn't lower my expectations any further... is)
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Ergon wrote:
Jester wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Hi, Aranavachi, you need Photoshop skills for that, but many image manipulation programs can do that. Find an image of Ted Bundy in the same tonal range as the original Knox Siamo Innocenti photo, snip Ted Bundy's head off :) save, then stitch it on to Knox's body, then post the result here. IMGFLIP the original meme generator might not be the best way to do that. You need Photoshop or the like, or, you can slip $25 to some kid to do it for you :)

Beyond my skill set, alas.


Who needs $25 kids when you've got adults with an extra five minutes.


Who am I to volunteer the many nice people on the board, but if someone wants to wash my car, I can post my address. Or maybe not, with 'Betty Ninja' on the loose :)


Thats something I could help with Ergon, as long as there is no technology involved Im game :) but on second thoughts I think I know of someone who is far better at cleaning up... mop-)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Knox is transparent.

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I think that quote encapsulates it best! Another thing it highlights is how Bundy and Knox both never seem to say 'I did not murder her/them' - its always skating along the edges with 'Im innocent' 'I am not guilty' 'I could never do that' etc and the one time Knox is asked if she murdered Meredith, she obviously nods YES as she says no. And then again to the question of whether she was at the cottage the night of the murder, with an even bigger nod!

Ive done this little experiment with friends to see just how unnatural it is to do that. Just try saying no while nodding your head - it feels weird and takes a little coordination. Its really uncomfortable for some reason...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
dgfred wrote:
We were kicking their shins so hard on WS that they shut the entire topic down.

I have never had that happen before while a case was still going on.


No more comments about convicted murderer Amanda Knox.
No more victim friendly discussion about the Meredith Kercher murder, and ongoing trial.


I have been looking/posting there a long, long time. I have NEVER seen this before. Is it possible the mod(s) on that topic are involved pro-innocent more than just moderating there?

Really, I am going to pm the mods I know/like and I know are reasonable.
Maybe some others are doing the same. It was kind of embarrassing for their side... they couldn't/didn't win a single debate and some of their posters were not helping any.

ih) angel-)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

What is WS?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Evidence ignored - Kercher killer
20 February 2014

...But courts failed to properly examine evidence from a bloody footprint found at the murder scene, he [Sollecito] claims.

"The investigators, the judges, they never cared about it," he told the BBC.

"I already showed that to the courts, that I have a problem with my second toe. So my footprint is completely different from the footprint that they found on the bathmat.

"This footprint that they found is half (a print) so they cannot really say how big was that foot.

"It doesn't match my foot, it's not mine, and I never put my foot inside the blood."

He added: "I cannot understand why they are still on me when I have really nothing, any motivation, to be a participant inside this murder.

"I'm completely out of place. I had nothing against Meredith. I was living a very happy life. I felt the need of nothing, I had everything."


BELFAST TELEGRAPH
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"I never put my foot inside the blood." ~ What a strange thing to say if he never was at the crime scene (as he claims.)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:53 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Congrats to the Canadian Hockey teams... grumble, grumble, grrrrrrrr.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

dgfred wrote:
Congrats to the Canadian Hockey teams... grumble, grumble, grrrrrrrr.


Obama owes Harper some Canadian Brew - two cases!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Sollecito: "I've never owned a Ferrari"

After the photo appeared in a weekly newspaper, the young man responds: "I got [the car] - he said - just to get to the television studios and participate in a program."

Raffaele Sollecito denies having a Ferrari: "I have not and I've never had a Ferrari." The young man reacts so after the publication of some images in News 2000 that portray him as he climbs out of a car of the Maranello brand. Sollecito says that the car instead belongs to an acquaintance of his. "I used it - explains Sollecito - just to get to the television studios and participate in a program. I used that Ferrari to cover (traverse) a few meters." Through his lawyers, Sollecito announces that he is considering possible legal action to protect his image.


LA NAZIONE

From what I understand, no one has ever claimed that the luxurious car belongs to Sollecito. A simple observation was made that he was being driven around in a Ferrari, despite having been convicted for murder by a court. So, as usual, he's real good at twisting the truth and misunderstanding the words of others.

Here's is one of the headlines:
La Bella Vita of Raffaele Sollecito After The Sentence: Guest of Barbara D'Urso on TV, arrives in a Ferrari with Greta -->> VIDEO WEBGOSSIP
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:40 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Sollecito: "I've never owned a Ferrari"

After the photo appeared in a weekly newspaper, the young man responds: "I got [the car] - he said - just to get to the television studios and participate in a program."

Raffaele Sollecito denies having a Ferrari: "I have not and I've never had a Ferrari." The young man reacts so after the publication of some images in News 2000 that portray him as he climbs out of a car of the Maranello brand. Sollecito says that the car instead belongs to an acquaintance of his. "I used it - explains Sollecito - just to get to the television studios and participate in a program. I used that Ferrari to cover (traverse) a few meters." Through his lawyers, Sollecito announces that he is considering possible legal action to protect his image.


LA NAZIONE

From what I understand, no one has ever claimed that the luxurious car belongs to Sollecito. A simple observation was made that he was being driven around in a Ferrari, despite having been convicted for murder by a court. So, as usual, he's real good at twisting the truth and misunderstanding the words of others.

Here's is one of the headlines:
La Bella Vita of Raffaele Sollecito After The Sentence: Guest of Barbara D'Urso on TV, arrives in a Ferrari with Greta -->> VIDEO WEBGOSSIP


The point at issue is that Raffaele Sollecito likes a flamboyant life style despite not having the income to be able to afford it.

He has travelled to the U.S., Europe and the Dominican Republic while complaining not to have enough funds to pay his lawyers. That doesn't make sense. One is left wondering what his priorities are. He has also asked for donations to support his legal defence. The money has probably been used to fund his lifestyle rather than legal costs.

Accepting to drive your friend's car does not make sense to me if you can use your own. It only complicates matters. If he needed to borrow a car, it would have been a better idea to choose a more modest car as it was predictable he would make headlines driving around in a Ferrari. He does not know or does not want to keep a low profile.

In my opinion, Sollecito is a complete idiot. Claiming to be poor and asking other people for their hard earned money while jetting around the globe and driving a Ferrari. Then lashing out when people point out the obvious. There is a lack of humbleness and common sense.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Evidence ignored - Kercher killer
20 February 2014

...But courts failed to properly examine evidence from a bloody footprint found at the murder scene, he [Sollecito] claims.

"The investigators, the judges, they never cared about it," he told the BBC.

"I already showed that to the courts, that I have a problem with my second toe. So my footprint is completely different from the footprint that they found on the bathmat.

"This footprint that they found is half (a print) so they cannot really say how big was that foot.

"It doesn't match my foot, it's not mine, and I never put my foot inside the blood."

He added: "I cannot understand why they are still on me when I have really nothing, any motivation, to be a participant inside this murder.

"I'm completely out of place. I had nothing against Meredith. I was living a very happy life. I felt the need of nothing, I had everything."


BELFAST TELEGRAPH
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"I never put my foot inside the blood." ~ What a strange thing to say if he never was at the crime scene (as he claims.)


I see this claim made on Twitter a lot, that Raffaele Sollecito had a problem with one of his toes and could not have left the bloody footprint on the bathmat.

I take this opportunity to link to the expert report presented in court comparing the defendants prints to the footprints found at the crime scene: TMOMK - Allegato Fotografico - Rinaldi Report
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thank you all. pp-(
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