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XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30, 13 - JULY 31, 14

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I couldn't watch her interview, but I am curious to see if she denies that Sollecito proposed marriage to her. Either to her personally or through their lawyers. He is denying it, and she must have read about KK's interview.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   


Déjà vu. Curt!..ah never mind...he probably thinks it's sexy :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:58 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Knox's statement in response to today's verdict:

"I am frightened and saddened by this unjust verdict," she said in written remarks. "Having been found innocent before, I expected better from the Italian justice system. The evidence and accusatory theory do not justify a verdict of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. ...There has always been a marked lack of evidence."

"This has gotten out of hand. Most troubling is that it was entirely preventable," she said. "I beseech those with the knowledge and authority to address and remediate the problems that worked to pervert the course of justice and waste the valuable resources of the system."

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What a strange statement for someone who thinks of herself as an innocent victim of judicial error. How come she is suddenly so concerned with the "waste of valuable resources" of Italian judicial system? If she had confessed her role in the crime and accepted the first guilty verdict, there would have been no need to waste "valuable" resources on conducting further trials and appealing court decisions to a higher court. The actual reason behind these additional expenses is her obstinacy and refusal to cooperate with authorities. She doesn't seem to get it does she?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Déjà vu. Curt!..ah never mind...he probably thinks it's sexy :)

I've never understood what is accomplished by putting a coat entirely over your head. huh-)

Or, maybe it's a game, like in Sesame Street. Which one of these is not like the other? (Guilty?)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

G..I was thinking the same thing !! Innocent people do NOT say : There's a lack of evidence*. Meaning what? Is it * I left nothing behind..therefore I can't be convicted ?

I read back a few pages...and now understand Michael's new signature. That's one p****ssed off woman. :)
I'm fighting the urge to take a lookie at the Knoxie Site. I'm rather afraid It will give me too much pleasure.
Laughed out loud at Brucie not being able to log on. This is NOT a good day for some people.
Guede must be pretty happy as well. He'll be out long before Raffie.
So...Has Raffie been arrested? Is he in Prison? What's the scoop?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

A firm step toward justice. Delurking here to give thanks to all who have worked tirelessly over the years.

No-one can rejoice, but at last justice may prevail for Meredith and her family.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

And what's with the new unattractive..super cuts hairdo? Is it a subliminal message as to * The tortured Joan of Arc*?

If I remember correctly..the last time Knox cut her hair..it was to protest the heat in prison. Well, the heat is back on. Big time.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
The Guardian features an interview with Amanda Knox and Madison Paxton (approx. 12 minutes).


I watched this interview while waiting for the forum to come back online. I thought Knox looked awful, older than her age, gray skin color. Her voice and artificial lisp are annoying. Her holding hands with MadPax was a bit too much for me.

I think I'll stop listening to what is coming out of the Knox camp, at least for the next few days. I expect nothing new from them except the same shrill hysteria and pretense of victimhood.

I admit I often can't resist the temptation to watch Knox's facial expressions as they are so revealing. I hear she is scheduled to appear on GMA tomorrow? All planned and arranged in advance by her PR guru I'm sure. There's nothing at all natural or spontaneous about any of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I'm reading Brucie's website. I'm not at the re-action of the guilty verdict yet...but..oh the laughs so far. A poster praises Brucie for his wiki article. Says it's a media bull's eye. But..THEN........another poster points out that it's THE GUILTER'S WIKI article. The woe begotten poster replies * Oh, Bummer *. nw) sun-) sp-))

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:55 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hahahahah. They are blaming the Guardian..for * INADVERTANTLY* linking to a hate site. They are now complaining bitterly. How could the Guardian be so foolish. wink.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox loses appeal over Meredith Kercher murder

Amanda Knox's lawyer: We will appeal this verdict

Speaking outside the court, Amanda Knox's lawyer, Luciano Ghirga, said she will launch an appeal against the decision.

But he said the telephone line "went dead" as he told his client of the verdict. ;)

Mr Ghirga said:

For those that, like me, are convinced that Amanda is innocent, it is a very difficult time.

We have to respect the verdict but we will challenge them.

We're very sad at the moment. We will definitely try everything. This is not the final word.

I am very upset by this decision. We continue to be brave, we have plenty of courage.

The road to the next appeal is quite difficult but we are ready for a new battle.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

In a nut shell..( very appropriate use of words here :)......The fix was in the first time. 2nd time..the fix was off. 3rd time..the fix is back in. huh-)
And..Knox and Raf must fire their attorneys. tou-)
Oh..and someone noticed that Knox..in her letter...didn't say she was innocent. Rather complained about lack of evidence. He weakly points out that she had done so previously..and it didn't work. Oh..now I see. wtf)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks G. LOVE the line went dead part. Heh heh.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi Daisy..almost missed your greeting. Lovely to * see * you. XXX

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Hahahahah. They are blaming the Guardian..for * INADVERTANTLY* linking to a hate site. They are now complaining bitterly. How could the Guardian be so foolish. wink.


The Guardian was a good boost in traffic early on but by noon EST the traffic from the Guardian was nothing compared to organic search traffic. At one point the wiki was getting 1900 page requests per minute and all afternoon we were over 1400. Things have settled down and we're still at 664 requests per minute. For consumer grade hosting services everyone prefers Hostgater to GoDaddy but I'm very happy with GoDaddy managing to keep the wiki up. I could have did a lot more to lighten the load that I didn't do and it still remained up without interruption.

The Groupies are pretty far gone if they honestly believed anyone would link to their site.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The groupies are pretty delutional. One poster was going to go to Italy and change places with Knoxie if she was found guilty. :)

I watched the Guardian interview. There's a hard edge to her. Maddie defends Knoxie to the nth degree. One is left with the impression that she didn't EVER read the face book entries. Etc. In the World of Maddie..everyone else is lying.
Knoxie is one cold fish. Like her apartment. No warmth . The only time we see any emotion..is when she whinges on about not being able to talk to her Mom. None when talking about the Kerchers. Or Meredith.
Reminds me of when Curt cried only when talking about his mortgage payments. Then he cried.
The apple doesn't fall from the tree.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

By the way. Knox..in her statement..says she expected better from the Italian system..BECAUSE SHE WAS FOUND INNOCENT BEFORE.

Umm...she was found GUILTY before that. The cock up came about because of Hellmann's inexperience. And total lack of knowledge.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

capealadin wrote:
Jackie.......

I so value your expertise. Should The * Knox* be found Guilty ( hands clasped in prayer :) Would the US ever send her to serve a sentence in Italy? And..When Does Guede get out?Because then...we may get the TRUTH.

By the way..My Ex was on the news...ala Justin Bieber. LOL..re: Immigration.(


Hello, Beautiful - did I call it or what?

What does the Ex think about extradition? (What does he think about you and me heading to Vegas to celebrate? k-(( )

Although I'm far better educated than either Angloclown or LooneyJ, I'd never claim any expertise on the issue of extradition and I'd certainly never dare to cross Professor Dershowitz:

"Dershowitz believes double jeopardy would not be an issue because Knox's acquittal was not a final judgment. He also doubts that the United States would want to set a precedent by refusing to extradite her if she is convicted, given that the United States makes frequent extradition requests for defendants sought by U.S. courts."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/a ... z2rwfntOek
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

30 January 2014
Erin Burnett Outfront:

Amanda Knox convicted of murder again

Steve Moore, he's a former FBI special agent and wrote a book about this case. huh-) CNN legal analyst and former homicide prosecutor, Paul Callan.

Cool Paul Callan vs. Steve Moore, seething with rage. Amusing to watch. ;)

CNN OUTFRONT
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:02 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hey Jackie..m'love. The ex is fine with us going to Vegas..as long as you back me in Blackjack. :)

What does he think of the extradition? Doesn't think it too likely. Different situation when a person is fleeing from Justice. i.e. Found guilty..skipped to Mexico. She's a female..prolly don't think she's a future threat. Mind you..Italy is a favoured Nation. Hence any Italian can come in to the US without a visa. For 90 days. That has changed because of security. I believe they have to go to a Consul now. He thinks it will depend just about badly the ITALIANS want her in prison. If they do...then they will bring enormous pressure..because they have extradition treaties between them.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Have a look at Paul Callan discussing the case. Steve Moore attacks him and Paul Callan fires back. Excellent.

A few funny lines from Steve Moore:

* He can make confess Paul Callan in 53 hours denying him food, water and toilet breaks
* [Talking about mixed DNA/blood found at the crime scene] There was no mixed DNA on the knife. Amanda cooked with that knife. The knife is "out".
* I was there at the trial.

Paul Callan ripping Steve Moore to shreds on CNN
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Oh and Yes. You DID call it, Mr. Clever. You did note that I agreed, right?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thank you so much, Nell. Grumpy , as usual...comes off as the complete idiot that he is. Didn't know that Paul is a Lawyer. ( Loved the tight mouth of Grumpy when Paul mentioned * FORMER * FBI. Oh..anyone googling will find out that it WAS,NT 53 hours straight. Pecks on the mouth? How about the Lingerie incident.
Paul Callan..gave a great interview on the facts..considering he hasn,t been involved. Grumpy * forgot * to get into the mixed DNA. Yeah. Because that cannot be explained away..as to innocence.
I think Moore will now be called Bumbles by me. Mua-)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Here's a couple of short segments from tonight's episode of AC360 (full transcript will be available tomorrow morning):

New questions raised by the Amanda Knox conviction

Anderson discussed all of this with Amanda Knox's attorney Ted Simon and Forensic Biologist Greg Hampikian.

CNN AC360

I haven't watched it yet myself so I'm NOT suggesting that it's worthwhile spending time listening to their empty discussions. ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

More videos and news articles (several pages) about today's events can be found here:

http://www.newsfiber.com/p/s/h?v=EbFVGf3qqjcc%3D+NeZXOD3xLHI%3D
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Have a look at Paul Callan discussing the case. Steve Moore attacks him and Paul Callan fires back. Excellent.

A few funny lines from Steve Moore:

* He can make confess Paul Callan in 53 hours denying him food, water and toilet breaks
* [Talking about mixed DNA/blood found at the crime scene] There was no mixed DNA on the knife. Amanda cooked with that knife. The knife is "out".
* I was there at the trial.

Paul Callan ripping Steve Moore to shreds on CNN



This is priceless. Callan seems to be trying not to laugh as Moore babbles on. At one point, it looks like Callan wants to signal her to not interrupt Moore. About darned time. Moore fumbled badly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Why did Knox give the letter for the Kerchers to the writer? Why didn't she just put a stamp on it and quietly mail it?
So much public, phony drama.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:32 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Just took a look at the new photos of Raf and Knox. Knox now looks like Raf did..Raf now looking more and more like Knox.

It would be interesting to hear Guede's thoughts..also Patrick. Apparantly Guede will be out of prison next year. Raf..if he goes to prison..would serve 10 years.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yeah, Naps. 6 1/2 years later. SO contrived. The Kerchers..so dignified..have to have insult upon injury. Just watching Knox creeps me out. Hearing her jars. She's a shell..and a shill :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

sherrel wrote:
max wrote:

Déjà vu. Curt!..ah never mind...he probably thinks it's sexy :)

I've never understood what is accomplished by putting a coat entirely over your head. huh-)

Or, maybe it's a game, like in Sesame Street. Which one of these is not like the other? (Guilty?)

curt knox permanently angry look - hates italy, hates the world
maybe he should have been a better father


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Napia5 wrote:
This is priceless. Callan seems to be trying not to laugh as Moore babbles on. At one point, it looks like Callan wants to signal her to not interrupt Moore. About darned time. Moore fumbled badly.

Steve Moore is the biggest liar on this. Thinks having been a "special agent" gives him some sort of authority.

He woke up this morning to start saying Knox was beaten around the head by 14 people now its 53 hours (2.2 days).

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2014/01/30/exp-erin-sot-panel-italy-amanda-knox-retrial.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.perugiamurderfile.net%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D1%26t%3D454%26p%3D118070


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Mr Ghirga said:
"The road to the next appeal is quite difficult but we are ready for a new battle."

How many years is this going to go on for?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

It was hard for Callan to keep a straight face. Bumbles looked very put out when Callan said * Here in America we don't have former FBI agents deciding the guilt or innocence. We let juries do that *. Oooo-errr.

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Quote:
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#Sollecito denied to me that he proposed marriage to US girl Kelsey Kay & claimed she was connected to criminality. "No comment" on trial."


yeah - HIM


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Towards the end of this year, Troon. Next year..In Italian years.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Kelsey Kay is connected to criminality? And what. Raf ISN'T???

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capealadin wrote:
Hey Jackie..m'love. The ex is fine with us going to Vegas..as long as you back me in Blackjack. :)

What does he think of the extradition? Doesn't think it too likely. Different situation when a person is fleeing from Justice. i.e. Found guilty..skipped to Mexico. She's a female..prolly don't think she's a future threat. Mind you..Italy is a favoured Nation. Hence any Italian can come in to the US without a visa. For 90 days. That has changed because of security. I believe they have to go to a Consul now. He thinks it will depend just about badly the ITALIANS want her in prison. If they do...then they will bring enormous pressure..because they have extradition treaties between them.

Love ya.....


You shouldn't tempt me, Cape - I'm in a GOOD mood!!! Anything could happen this weekend!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Have a look at Paul Callan discussing the case. Steve Moore attacks him and Paul Callan fires back. Excellent.

A few funny lines from Steve Moore:

* He can make confess Paul Callan in 53 hours denying him food, water and toilet breaks
* [Talking about mixed DNA/blood found at the crime scene] There was no mixed DNA on the knife. Amanda cooked with that knife. The knife is "out".
* I was there at the trial.

Paul Callan ripping Steve Moore to shreds on CNN



Steve Moore just disgraced the FBI.

Does he have a cognitive defect or is making intentional misrepresentations his hobby?



P.S. Kudos to you, Nell, for your efforts on twitter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Judge Heavey "'She’s been treated like OJ Simpson when there wasn’t a scrap of evidence,' said Heavey.

Their separate universe. Let's wind it back a bit. Italy had it in for Knox? The police there decided to frame Knox and get her to frame Lumumba. It's too strange. Still to this day the biggest question has to be the multiple conflicting alibis. Sollecito stated Knox wasn't with him that night for YEARS.
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ttrroonniicc wrote:
Judge Heavey "'She’s been treated like OJ Simpson when there wasn’t a scrap of evidence,' said Heavey.

Their separate universe. Let's wind it back a bit. Italy had it in for Knox? The police there decided to frame Knox and get her to frame Lumumba. It's too strange. Still to this day the biggest question has to be the multiple conflicting alibis. Sollecito stated Knox wasn't with him that night for YEARS.


I wonder what song Raffles will sing if there comes a time when he's the only one behind bars.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Legal experts say it's unlikely that Italy would seek to extradite Knox before its supreme court rules on any appeals. Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said that if the conviction is upheld, the U.S. would have little choice but to send Knox to Italy to serve her sentence.

"The United States seeks extradition of more people than any country in the world. We’re trying to get [NSA leaker Edward] Snowden back and we’re not going to extradite someone convicted of murder?" he told NBC News.

Some observers have questioned whether the American protection against double jeopardy — being retried and convicted of a crime after being acquitted — would give the U.S. an excuse to balk at extradition.

But Dershowitz doubts that would apply in the Knox case because she was intially found guilty and her acquittal took place at an intermediate appeals level.

"If that happened in the U.S., it wouldn't be double jeopardy," he said.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jackie wrote:
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Judge Heavey "'She’s been treated like OJ Simpson when there wasn’t a scrap of evidence,' said Heavey.

Their separate universe. Let's wind it back a bit. Italy had it in for Knox? The police there decided to frame Knox and get her to frame Lumumba. It's too strange. Still to this day the biggest question has to be the multiple conflicting alibis. Sollecito stated Knox wasn't with him that night for YEARS.


I wonder what song Raffles will sing if there comes a time when he's the only one behind bars.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Have a look at Paul Callan discussing the case. Steve Moore attacks him and Paul Callan fires back. Excellent.

A few funny lines from Steve Moore:

* He can make confess Paul Callan in 53 hours denying him food, water and toilet breaks
* [Talking about mixed DNA/blood found at the crime scene] There was no mixed DNA on the knife. Amanda cooked with that knife. The knife is "out".
* I was there at the trial.

Paul Callan ripping Steve Moore to shreds on CNN



This is priceless. Callan seems to be trying not to laugh as Moore babbles on. At one point, it looks like Callan wants to signal her to not interrupt Moore. About darned time. Moore fumbled badly.



Steve Moore is very agitated because his authoritative way talking down to Paul Callan doesn't work as hoped. Callan, instead of being intimidated by his verbal attacks, seems amused. Then he points out where Moore is lacking: Research and accuracy. He delivers his criticism swift and sharply.

I have already watched it twice. I liked it that much.

Moore seems frustrated at the end. He is totally unconvincing. Anyone who bothers to look up any of the "facts" stressed by Moore will find he's lying.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jackie wrote:
Nell wrote:
Have a look at Paul Callan discussing the case. Steve Moore attacks him and Paul Callan fires back. Excellent.

A few funny lines from Steve Moore:

* He can make confess Paul Callan in 53 hours denying him food, water and toilet breaks
* [Talking about mixed DNA/blood found at the crime scene] There was no mixed DNA on the knife. Amanda cooked with that knife. The knife is "out".
* I was there at the trial.

Paul Callan ripping Steve Moore to shreds on CNN



Steve Moore just disgraced the FBI.

Does he have a cognitive defect or is making intentional misrepresentations his hobby?



P.S. Kudos to you, Nell, for your efforts on twitter.


Thank you Jackie. I am only one from a group of many doing my bit in support of justice for Meredith and the Kerchers.


Steve Moore is not only a complete idiot, he also is a big fat liar.

Did you notice how he always needs to have the last word? When Paul Callan pointed out to him that neither of them had been at the trial, but the judges had been and had heard all of the evidence, Steve Moore boasted "I was! I was there!" - always pointing his pen into the camera in a very rude gesture.

I hope Paul Callan and the viewers know that Steve Moore was in Perugia for only one or two days and that his horrible uneducated wife was actually detained because she did not know how to behave when attending a public trial.

Well, in case Paul Callan wasn't aware of it, I have tweeted him to let him know.

The Moores are a nightmare.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I also watched it twice, Nell. Bumbles looked and sounded like an amateur. I loved the way Paul Callan slunk his eyes over to Erin..and wryly gave a small smile when Bumbles sid he would make him confess. That was worth a thousand words.
I hope that they hve Bumbles on a lot. Fantastic Comic Relief.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:35 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

capealadin wrote:
Jackie wrote:
ttrroonniicc wrote:
Judge Heavey "'She’s been treated like OJ Simpson when there wasn’t a scrap of evidence,' said Heavey.

Their separate universe. Let's wind it back a bit. Italy had it in for Knox? The police there decided to frame Knox and get her to frame Lumumba. It's too strange. Still to this day the biggest question has to be the multiple conflicting alibis. Sollecito stated Knox wasn't with him that night for YEARS.


I wonder what song Raffles will sing if there comes a time when he's the only one behind bars.


Only the lonely. :)


If Lucia err Luciano Aviello is still available, they might having a duet.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I also watched it twice, Nell. Bumbles looked and sounded like an amateur. I loved the way Paul Callan slunk his eyes over to Erin..and wryly gave a small smile when Bumbles sid he would make him confess. That was worth a thousand words.
I hope that they hve Bumbles on a lot. Fantastic Comic Relief.


You said in one of your earlier comments that Paul Callan seemed to signalise Erin to not interrupt Steve Moore. I picked that up too. He seemed amused, Moore not so much.

It is a shame though that Moore gets away with false claims like 53 hours of non-stop interrogation without food and water. These incorrect bits need to be corrected by the interviewer. She should know.

Paul Callan is also wrong about the 40 knife wounds, but compared to Moore, it's a minor mistake.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ted Simon on Anderson Cooper is not bad either:

Ted Simon wonders openly: "How can there be a verdict other than before?"

Huh? That wasn't a concern when corrupt Hellmann overturned Massei despite all the evidence implicating Amanda Knox, so how can this be now a strong argument? If it doesn't make any sense to overrule unwanted verdicts, then why have appeals at all?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Guermantes, thank you for all the tweets from verdict night and your efforts to link to the articles and links. I am working my way through it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

It was Napia who noticed Callan wanting to let Erin continue. I'm sure he did want that. Bumbles WAS SCHOOLED !!

Yes. Thanks G. You and Nell have been super.

Ted Simon has to give lip service, of course. He's a paid minion. Unfortunately for him...The Italian Courts could care less about what he has to say. Neither do I , actually. :)

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Most people here are happy that justice was served today. I am also happy - not because Knox and Sollecito were convicted, but because I was right in my conviction that they are guilty and I was right to advocate this. Honestly speaking, if the court found them not guilty I would have respected that. Unlike supporters of Knox, I believe the court has all the facts and therefore I must not be so arrogant as to double guess them.

Having passed this point and a conviction being upheld, I wanted to link to the Italy USA Extradition Treaty http://internationalextraditionblog.fil ... /italy.pdf

It is mind boggling how so many 'experts' do not understand this very simple treaty. I don't even think you need any formal legal education to understand it. Therefore I am inclined to believe that A- they are ignorant or B- they willfully misinform the public. Ultimately I am disappointed in the News channels that broadcast this rubbish.

Here is what I have understood of the treaty's 24 articles - I know the points have been discussed on PMF and TJMK, I just thought it may be useful to list them and consolidate.

Article 1 obligates each State to extradite to the other. ---- YES, as long as the rest of the provisions listed here are met.

Article 2 permits extradition for any offense punishable under the laws of both States by imprisonment for more than one year. ----YES
Its noteworthy that: "When extradition has been granted for an extraditable offense, it shall also be granted for any other offense specified in the request even if the latter offense is punishable by less than one year's deprivation of liberty"

Article 3 provides that extradition may be granted for [*4] an offense committed outside the territory of the requesting State. ----Not applicable here

Article 4 provides that extradition shall not be denied on the ground that the person sought is a national of the requested State. ----YES - so the whole argument that the US won't extradite an American is incorrect.

Articles 5, 6, 8 and 9 state mandatory grounds for refusal of extradition.

Article 5 provides that extradition shall be denied when the offense for which extradition is requested is a political or military offense. ----Not applicable here

Article 6 provides that extradition shall be denied when the person sought has been in jeopardy in the requested State for the same offense. ---- here is the double jeopardy clearly spelled out, the requested State is the USA and Knox has not been in jeopardy in the USA for the murder of Meredith ==> NO, this exemption does not apply here

Article 7 states a discretionary ground for refusal of extradition. It provides that extradition may [*5] be refused when the person sought is being proceeded against by the requested State for the same act. ---- NO, again this is not applicable to this case

Article 8 provides that extradition shall be denied where the requesting State's statute of limitation bars prosecution or enforcement of the penalty. ---- There is no statute of limitations on murder ==> NO, this exemption does not apply here either

Article 9 provides that extradition shall be denied when the offense is punishable by death in the requesting, but not the requested, State. ---- There is no death penalty in Italy ==> NO, this exemption does not apply here either

Articles 10-13 set out procedures

Article 10 clarifies the form and content of the documentation required to demonstrate to a United States court probable cause to believe that the crime for which extradition is sought was committed and that the person sought committed it. ---- under this article I think Knox could try and make a case. Although all that is required is "a brief statement of the facts of the case, including the time and location of the offense" Also as far as I understand the courts are not meant to investigate the case but rather just ensure there is evidence and therefore this seems a very very long shot, but much better than double jeopardy! Absentia (which the Knox case is not seeing as she has her lawyers present) however to entertain the supporters, even if it was in absentia - the treaty explicitly allows for this.

All requests for extradition shall be accompanied by:
(a) documents, statements or other information which set forth the identity and probable location of the person sought, with, if available, physical description, photographs and fingerprints;
(b) a brief statement of the facts of the case, including the time and location of the offense;
(c) the texts of the laws describing the essential elements and the designation of the offense for which extradition is requested;
(d) the texts of the laws describing the punishment for the offense; and
(e) the texts of the laws describing the time limit on the prosecution or the execution of the punishment for the offense.
A request for extradition which relates to a person who has been convicted shall, in addition to those items set forth in paragraph 2 of this Article, be accompanied by:
(a) a copy of the judgment of conviction, or, in the case of the United States, if the person has been found guilty but not yet sentenced, a statement by a judicial officer to that effect;
(b) if the penalty has been pronounced, a copy of the sentence and a statement as to the duration of the penalty still to be served; and
(c) documents establishing that the person sought is the person convicted.
If the person sought has been convicted in absentia or in contumacy, all issues relating to this aspect of the request shall be decided by the Executive Authority of the United States or the competent authorities of Italy. In such cases, the Requesting Party shall submit such documents as are described in paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 of this Article and a statement regarding the procedures, if any, that would be available to the person sought if he or she were extradited.

Article 11 speaks about the documentation and the time that Italy would have to submit this.

Article 12 discusses provisional arrest.
In case of urgency, either Contracting Party may apply for the provisional arrests of any person charged or convicted of an extraditable offense. This would need the documents in Article 10 and that there be a statement that a formal request for extradition of the person sought will follow.
On receipt of the application, the Requested Party shall take the appropriate steps to secure the arrest of the person sought.
Provisional arrest shall be terminated if, within a period of 45 days after the apprehension of the person sought, the Executive Authority of the Requested Party has not received a formal request for extradition.
---- I am not sure what would constitute 'urgency', however this looks like Knox could be arrested and held while extradition is being requested. I believe this has been discussed in some length on .org

Article 13 discusses decision and surrender
Article 14 provides for when the person sought is being proceeded against or is serving a sentence in the requested State ---- N/A, no proceedings against Knox in the USA and anyway this is a temporary measure

Article 15 focuses on where a person is sought by more than one State. ---- N/A

Article 16 states that a person extradited under the Treaty may not be tried, punished or detained for an offense other than that for which extradition has been granted. ---- She will probably be extradited for all her convictions. Maybe this is why she won't stop her slander - they can't put her on trial for it when she is extradited.

Article 17 permits surrender without formal proceedings ---- N/A, Knox is not going to surrender! Its interesting however that here the article says the person has a "right to a formal proceeding and to the protections afforded by the Treaty." No mention of constitutional rights....

Article 18 provides for the seizure and surrender to the requesting State of all property related to the offense ---- N/A
Article 19 governs transit through the territory of one of the contracting Parties of a person being surrendered to the other Party by a third country.---- N/A

Article 20 provides that the requested State shall represent the requesting State in an proceedings in the requested State arising out of a request for extradition. ---- The United States Department of Justice shall advise, assist and represent the Republic of Italy. so we will have US lawyers representing Italy in front of US judges. No more blaming the Italians?

Article 21 governs expenses ---- basically Italy has to pay for all costs

Article 22, stipulates that the Treaty is retroactive

Article 23 provides for termination of the Treaty by either Party upon six months written notice to the other. ---- Maybe the supporters are banking on this one?!

Article 24 provides that the Treaty will enter into force immediately

So the Treaty is clear and it comes down to political elements only. Personally I don't think Knox is a political asset worthy of protection and the US risking international relationships. I would imagine the UK would also be interested in justice for their citizen(?). Additionally there is no reports that Knox didn't receive a fair trial (by reports, I mean official cables etc). So really what is all the fuss about?! She was found guilty and she should be extradited.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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It was Napia who noticed Callan wanting to let Erin continue. I'm sure he did want that. Bumbles WAS SCHOOLED !!

Yes. Thanks G. You and Nell have been super.

Ted Simon has to give lip service, of course. He's a paid minion. Unfortunately for him...The Italian Courts could care less about what he has to say. Neither do I , actually. :)


Sorry for the mistake.

Paul Callan sure gave Erin that look and tried to suppress a bright smile. He was very professional. The same cannot be said about Steve Moore. His shrill contribution was somewhere between light entertainment for those who know what this case is about and vicarious embarrassment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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UDINE - Notified in the early hours of the morning the travel ban to Raffaele Sollecito. As learned, Sollecito was joined by agents of the squad of Florence and Udine in a hotel in Venzone in Carnia, about sixty kilometers from the border with Austria, which had reached in the early afternoon yesterday.

In the offices of the police of that town was notified to urge the measure of the travel ban issued against him as a result of the sentence to 25 years, pronounced yesterday in the appeal from a Court of Assizes of Florence. All 'lawyer Mauri, who had contacted him last night, Sollecito had hinted to be "annihilated" by the court's ruling Florentine.

http://www.gazzettino.it/NORDEST/UDINE/ ... 9167.shtml
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

@Aranavachi

Thank you for your excellent summary of the extradition treaty.

It seems Amanda Knox and her supporters have now moved on to a very aggressive campaign to discredit Italy's justice system as a whole by misrepresenting the way it works.

The additional rights she is been granted as a defendant in Italy, she misrepresents them as tools to persecute her. Her whole attitude is dismissive.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Raffaele Sollecito at the police station in Udine

It 'been checked early this morning at the hotel where he was staying Carnia Venzone with a friend and then brought into the capital of Friuli

The case and the judgment

Udine. Raffaele Sollecito, who was sentenced yesterday by the Court of Assizes of Appeal to 25 years for the murder of Meredith Kercher occurred in Perugia in 2007, is located in the police headquarters in Udine.

It 'been checked by police early this morning while staying at the hotel Friuli Carnia Venzone with a friend.

The courts have ruled for the young prohibition, recognizing a "concrete danger of flight."

"Raffaele Sollecito - said the Assize Court of Florence in the device - has highlighted the availability of logistical support to countries in relation to which the Italian State is not bound by legal assistance agreements."

She learned of the judgment in the appeal bis for the murder of Meredith Kercher from TV, Raffaele Sollecito, who appeared "annihilated" by one of his defenders, the lawyer Luca Maori. The young man from Puglia was speechless.

The other lawyer Giulia Bongiorno: "We believe this is a step. Painful but only a step. " The firm has announced that it will appeal the decision to the Supreme Court.

Then he said: "This process has gone well, but not great. Why is absolutely void of evidence and clues. We believe that we have demonstrated. The fact that this has been the outcome only lengthens the toil and suffering of Raphael. "

Regarding the appeal to the Supreme Court, counsel for Sollecito said that "there will still be a ping pong table." "I do not think - he added - that there may be a reason justifying the presence of Raffaele in the house of the crime. There is a geometric expertise that excludes. "

Arrested by the police on November 6, 2007, Knox and Sollecito were convicted of first degree in Perugia. Acquitted on appeal, were released after four years in jail. In March, the Supreme Court annulled the judgment by placing a new trial of the second degree.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

max wrote:
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UDINE - Notified in the early hours of the morning the travel ban to Raffaele Sollecito. As learned, Sollecito was joined by agents of the squad of Florence and Udine in a hotel in Venzone in Carnia, about sixty kilometers from the border with Austria, which had reached in the early afternoon yesterday.

In the offices of the police of that town was notified to urge the measure of the travel ban issued against him as a result of the sentence to 25 years, pronounced yesterday in the appeal from a Court of Assizes of Florence. All 'lawyer Mauri, who had contacted him last night, Sollecito had hinted to be "annihilated" by the court's ruling Florentine.

http://www.gazzettino.it/NORDEST/UDINE/ ... 9167.shtml


It's obvious he was already trying to escape.

Carnia is almost 5 hours from Florence (according to Google Maps 4:40 hours). The Austrian border was only minutes away.

Have a look at Google Maps.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks for the map :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Just to make sure everyone understands, Puglia is at the very bottom of the boot, the exact opposite direction. He was running. I have no doubt about it.

Max's article doesn't say if the passport has now been surrendered or not. If I understand the article correctly, they only alerted the border that he is not allowed to pass?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I just added another map to show how far Puglia, Sollecito's hometown, is from Florence (8.5 hours) - and the opposite direction from Carnia. What he would be doing in Carnia a day after the verdict, close to the Austrian border.

He wanted to avoid the airport because he thought it would be safer to cross and take a transport from there.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The google translate of the last link
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Sollecito surprised to Udine Without the passport for foreign travel ban
Tracked in the night in a hotel in the company of his girlfriend

Raffaele Sollecito, woke up at dawn in a hotel in the province of Udine by agents of the mobile teams of Florence and Udine for the notification of the ban on leaving the country after the judgment of conviction to 25 years of Assizes of Appeal of Florence , which ordered also forbidden to leave Italy. Sollecito was then taken to the police headquarters in Udine for the formalities of ritual.

STRICTLY NO ACT - From the police headquarters in Udine, it underlines that Sollecito was not willing any restrictive measure "against him we're not doing anything. He is quiet here. "

FROM FLORENCE AUSTRIA - According to leaked Sollecito, once they leave Florence on Thursday afternoon (pre-judgment), he went to Oderzo (Udine), where she lives with her ​​friend and she went to Austria, where they are then returned after few hours. Sollecito then spent the night in a hotel in Venzone.


They even went to Austria. Apparently he is not taken the travel ban seriously. He will now.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Wow. So Raffaele is running? And now he's with the police? Brilliant. The game is up Raffaele. Just tell the truth now please. For Meredith.
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The man re-convicted of murdering Meredith Kercher is held near Italy's border with Slovenia, according to reports.

Raffaele Sollecito, the man re-convicted of Meredith Kercher's murder, has been held by police at Italy's border with Slovenia.

Sollecito was apprehended by police at a hotel in an area near Udine.
Italy Sollecito is apparently being held in a police station

Giovanni Belmonte, of the Udine police, said police held Sollecito in Venzone, at 1am - about 30 miles from the border with Slovenia.

Sollecito, 29, had been staying at the hotel with his current girlfriend, police said.

Police took his passport and put a stamp in his Italian identity papers showing that he cannot leave the country, Mr Belmonte said.

He is expected to be freed later.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Justice for Meredith, finally!!
Great work on the tweets and links, guermantes! Thank you so much! xx
And Raffie already on the run? Omg...
(Turns out it's only his girlfriend living there ;) )

10:01am, Fri 31 Jan 2014 Kercher family: 'We are still on a journey to the truth'
Sollecito 'stopped by police near Slovenian border'

Last updated Fri 31 Jan 2014
Local media reports that Raffaele Sollecito has been stopped by Italian police near the Slovenian border. ITV News understands that his girlfriend lives nearby.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01- ... an-border/


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I checked but I don't think his gf lives there. I am sure he will have some excuse though.
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I'm sure it's an excuse...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Raffaele Sollecito detained by police near Austrian border, say reports
John Hooper in Rome
theguardian.com, Friday 31 January 2014 10.20 GMT
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... manda-knox

The Ansa news agency said Sollecito, 29, had been located by police officers in a village between Udine and the town of Tarvisio, which is about three miles from the Austrian border. He had reportedly arrived in the village early on Thursday afternoon. Sollecito had attended the court hearing in Florence in the morning but did not return in the afternoon.

Sollecito had been formally cautioned that he was forbidden to leave Italy on Friday morning, according to the agency. According to other media reports, his passport was taken away, as ordered by the Florence court.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:46 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Kercher family: 'Nothing's going to bring her back'
30 January 2014 Last updated at 22:11 GMT
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25973798

Interview with Stephanie and Lyle Kercher (I believe it hasn't been posted yet?).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Meredith Kercher's Sister: 'We're Still on Journey to the Truth'
By Gianluca Mezzofiore | January 31, 2014 10:14 AM GMT
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/meredith-kerch ... th-1434603


The sister of murdered British student Meredith Kercher said that they are still "on the journey to the truth" and admitted that they "might never know what happened" that night.

Stephanie Kercher said at a press conference that the guilty verdict that condemned Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox to a combined 53 and a half years in prison "is just the next step" towards closure.

Kyle, the brother of Meredith, said he was frustrated by the length of the judicial process, which culminated in Sollecito receiving 25 years in prison and Knox 28 and a half.

"I think we're still on the journey to the truth. It may be we don't ever really know what happened that night," said Stephanie.

Asked if she will ever meet Amanda Knox, Stephanie said that it was "not something we want to do at the moment and we can't say we ever will".

"Nothing is going to bring Meredith back," said Kyle. "The best the family can hope for is the end of the legal process."

In referral to the possible legal battle to extradite Amanda Knox, who is currently in Seattle, to Italy for the prison sentence, Kyle said it would set a "difficult precedent", if the US failed to extradite her.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:53 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox guilty verdict: Live reaction and updates as Raffaele Sollecito is 'stopped by police at Slovenian border'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/am ... ve-3096275

10:29 am
After learning of the guilty verdict yesterday, Sollecito reportedly told his lawyer Luca Mauri: "I am innocent. The battle goes on."
His solicitor, Giulia Bongiorno, said last night she had not spoken to her client yet.
She said: "He was prepared for any outcome. He is totally astonished why the court keeps changing mind in this way.
"The court gives credit to rumours.
"This is not a surprise. They (Knox and Sollecito) have always been considered the murderers."
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

capealadin wrote:
The groupies are pretty delutional. One poster was going to go to Italy and change places with Knoxie if she was found guilty. :)

I watched the Guardian interview. There's a hard edge to her. Maddie defends Knoxie to the nth degree. One is left with the impression that she didn't EVER read the face book entries. Etc. In the World of Maddie..everyone else is lying.
Knoxie is one cold fish. Like her apartment. No warmth . The only time we see any emotion..is when she whinges on about not being able to talk to her Mom. None when talking about the Kerchers. Or Meredith.
Reminds me of when Curt cried only when talking about his mortgage payments. Then he cried.
The apple doesn't fall from the tree.


Welcome back, Cape :)
I think it really bothers her that people have been calling her a psychopath and emotionless...must be hard to be a 'marked person'. ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Raf wasted no time in his rush to try out the Snitchel. ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:07 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

10:55 am
A little more is emerging as to what happened with Raffaele Sollecito last night.
According to the Telegraph, he was required to submit proof of ID when checking into the hotel.
Staff then alerted local police who brought him in to the station.
His passport has now been stamped so that he cannot leave Italy but the police chief says he will be free to leave later today.
Asked whether Sollecito was intending to flee the country, the officer said: "We don't know his intentions"


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:11 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox's Parents Angry, Stunned Over Guilty Verdict
Jan. 30, 2014
By NEAL KARLINSKY, LAUREN EFFRON and NIKKI BATTISTE
http://abcnews.go.com/US/amanda-knoxs-p ... d=22305362

The parents of Amanda Knox said they were stunned and angry that an Italian court again convicted their daughter of murder and vowed to continue to fight to clear her name.
"Amanda's upset, we were all shocked and upset, but we're all ready to fight too," said Knox's mother Edda Mellas. "Everyone in the family, everyone in the extended family are all ready to continue to fight for truth and fight for her freedom and it's not going to stop."
...
Knox's parents sat down for an interview with ABC News shortly after the verdict was announced, and said they were not expecting this outcome.
...
Amanda was mostly silent as she listened to the verdict, which was being read in Italian, her mother said.
"She just said, 'guilty, 28 years,'" Mellas said. "She was more concerned about what was going to happen to Raffaelle."
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox Will Never Visit Italy Again
by Barbie Latza Nadeau
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... rdict.html

When asked whether or not he [Lyle Kercher] thought the fact that Knox was not present for the trial had any impact, he said no. "I can fully understand their personal reasons for not coming," he said. "But I don't think it had any impact on the outcome."
...
Knox and Sollecito will not have to begin serving their sentence until after the high court signs off on the ruling, likely not before the spring of 2015.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks Ava. Hug.

Knox has the flat affect. I noticed that when Maddie was giving her * spiel * to the reporter from The Guardian.....Knox was intensely watching Maddie...she never blinked. She was riveted. Because it was so obviouly WAY off the mark. Therefore quite interesting and novel for Knox.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ava wrote:
Justice for Meredith, finally!!
Great work on the tweets and links, guermantes! Thank you so much! xx
And Raffie already on the run? Omg...
(Turns out it's only his girlfriend living there ;) )

10:01am, Fri 31 Jan 2014 Kercher family: 'We are still on a journey to the truth'
Sollecito 'stopped by police near Slovenian border'

Last updated Fri 31 Jan 2014
Local media reports that Raffaele Sollecito has been stopped by Italian police near the Slovenian border. ITV News understands that his girlfriend lives nearby.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01- ... an-border/



Yeah, right. If his girlfriend "lives nearby", why then were they both in a hotel?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

homegrown wrote:
A firm step toward justice. Delurking here to give thanks to all who have worked tirelessly over the years.

No-one can rejoice, but at last justice may prevail for Meredith and her family.

Edited for grammar



Welcome to PMF and thanks for standing up for Meredith! I look forward to reading you :)

Certainly, everything seems to be unraveling for the killers.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
Ava wrote:
Justice for Meredith, finally!!
Great work on the tweets and links, guermantes! Thank you so much! xx
And Raffie already on the run? Omg...
(Turns out it's only his girlfriend living there ;) )

10:01am, Fri 31 Jan 2014 Kercher family: 'We are still on a journey to the truth'
Sollecito 'stopped by police near Slovenian border'

Last updated Fri 31 Jan 2014
Local media reports that Raffaele Sollecito has been stopped by Italian police near the Slovenian border. ITV News understands that his girlfriend lives nearby.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01- ... an-border/



Yeah, right. If his girlfriend "lives nearby", why then were they both in a hotel?


Good one, Michael. ff)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

He was just doing a tour in Austria. Which part of 'don't leave Italy' did he misunderstand?

Sollecito, travel ban notified
"I did a tour in Austria, then I came back"
http://firenze.repubblica.it/cronaca/20 ... -77354020/
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox is a convicted killer: the decision is (almost) final

The media may take her side, but Amanda Knox's guilt has been upheld by a serious court of law

Column LAST UPDATED AT 10:30 ON Fri 31 Jan 2014

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox guilty verdict: latest
By Barney Henderson, and Nick Squires in Florence
11:50AM GMT 31 Jan 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

Sollecito was allegedly found by police in a hotel with his new girlfriend, a part-time model called Greta Menegaldo.
The 23-year-old is a student in the town of Treviso in the Veneto region - just to the south of the Friuli-Venezia-Giulia region where the couple were stopped by police.
...
Her parents live in South America, according to reports in the Italian press.
Ms Menegaldo reportedly met Sollecito at the University of Verona, where he has been studying software engineering. Since then they have become "inseparable", spending time in Sollecito's apartment in Verona.
...
The Udine police chief said that since the court didn't order Sollecito be detained, he will be freed as soon as the paperwork is completed. He said Sollecito was calm and came willingly to the station, with his girlfriend driving behind.
Asked if police thought he might have fled the country, Belmonte said: We don't know his intentions.

Sollecito was picked up by police at around 1am at a hotel in Venzone, which is around 25 miles from the border with Austria and Slovenia. He was staying in the hotel with his current girlfriend. The cabinet chief of the Udine police station, Giovanni Belmonte, said police took him to the Udine police station, took his passport and put a stamp in his Italian identity papers showing that he cannot leave the country. He will be freed later, Belmonte said.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

same link:

11:28 AM
During the press conference Lyle Kercher reiterated that he would expect the Italian government to request the extradition of Knox if the conviction is decreed to be final and definitive by the Supreme Court.
“I am sure the American government tries to extradite a lot of convicted criminals from other countries, so they would set a precedent if they don’t uphold their own laws,” he said.
Lyle Kercher, Meredith's brother, said he and his family continue to believe that Meredith was murdered by Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito:
The suggestion is that there is sufficient evidence of their involvement, based on the conclusions that the Italian police came to. One of the crucial things is that the injuries sustained by Meredith suggest that there was more than one person involved.
I imagine the Italian government would extradite her. If the US chose not to assist Italy then I think they could have problems in their extradition dealings with other countries. It would set a precedent for other extradition cases.
The fact that this has gone on for six years and won’t be over until the Spring of 2015 is very hard. Losing someone in horrific circumstances is horrendous, but then the fact that it has been drawn out for six years makes it incredibly difficult for us. But we knew all along that there would be appeals and counter-appeals. It’s not unusual in a case of this kind in Italy.


More from Stephanie Kercher, Meredith's sister, who said her parents, John and Arline, would have liked to travel to Florence but were in poor health:
I think we are still on a journey towards the truth and it may be that we will never really know what happened that night. That’s very hard to deal with. But the guilty verdicts have been upheld and we hope that come the end of the trial we will be nearer to the truth.
Meredith is still very much part of our lives and the whole family would have liked to be here, but our parents are older and not in the best of health. Physically and mentally it puts a great strain on them.
I think for us as a family the guilty verdict is just the next step in a long process that will hopefully end with a definitive conclusion. We now have to wait 90 days for the court to release its reasoning.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Knox Extradition Demanded By Kercher Family
The murdered student's brother says he sees no reason why Amanda Knox should not be sent to Italy to serve her sentence.
http://news.sky.com/story/1203892/knox- ... her-family
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox retrial verdict: Six things to know
By Peter Wilkinson, CNN
January 31, 2014 -- Updated 1152 GMT (1952 HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world ... explainer/

On extradition:

Even though Knox was convicted this time around, it is unclear if she will return to Italy. CNN's legal analyst Sonny Hostin said that U.S. law dictates that a person cannot be tried twice on the same charge. "Because of this tension between Italian and U.S. law it is unlikely that U.S. law will extradite her. When the fight begins those are the grounds that U.S. attorneys will be arguing."

However, another legal expert disagreed. "They always forget she was convicted first," Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University in New York, told Agence-France Presse.
If Italy does file an extradition request with the U.S. State Department, Knox will have the right to challenge her transfer to Italy in a U.S. court. "The chances of her winning that are not high because there has to be some very strong claim she'd have to make to block her extradition," Ku added.
"I followed the trial, it was slow but I never got the sense that it was unfair," he said.

Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz added: "As popular as she is here and as pretty as she is here -- because that's what this is all about, if she was not an attractive woman we wouldn't have the group love-in -- she will be extradited if it's upheld.
"The Italian legal system, though I don't love it, is a legitimate legal system and we have a treaty with Italy so I don't see how we would resist," he told AFP.
"We're trying to get (fugitive NSA leaker Edward) Snowden back -- how does it look if we want Snowden back and we won't return someone for murder?" he asked.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox will speak to US network ABC on their flagship news programme Good Morning America shortly.
In an exclusive interview she will give her reaction to her second conviction for the murder of Meredith Kercher.
We've just seen our first glimpse of Amanda Knox in the Good Morning America studio,
She is wearing a pink jumper and sporting her new bob haircut.
We're expecting her interview to be aired in the next half an hour.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda speaking:

"I couldnt believe it.
"I was with my family. I'm the only one who understands Italian so I was trying listen and tell them at the same time."

She's asked if she's prepared to be extradited.
Knox says: "I'm not."
"This has hit me like a train. I did not expect this to happen."

"I will never go willingly back. I'm going to fight this to the very end. It's not right and it's not fair."
She's in tears as she's speaking now.
"I need a lot of help. There's people who know better than I do how these systems work."

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

same link:
The interview ended with anchor Robin Roberts plugging Amanda Knox's book 'Waiting To Be Heard' which was released last year.
It seemed like she had almost forgotten to mention it and then was prompted.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nick Squires on Raffie's little trip to Austria:
There is intense speculation here that Sollecito and his girlfriend actually crossed the border last night, into Austria.
They then waited for the verdict to be handed down - it came at 9.30pm local time. Sollecito was reportedly anxious to see whether the court would order that he be arrested and put in jail, or placed under house arrest.
When the court instead decreed only that his passport should be confiscated, he crossed back over the border in a Mini Cooper and spent the night in a hotel in the mountain village of Venzone, near the city of Udine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

AK arriving at the GMA set in NY (still Nick Squires, telegraph):

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

'They'll have to catch me and pull me back kicking and screaming': Knox's fury after being found GUILTY AGAIN and sentenced to 28 years in jail for murder of Meredith Kercher with ex-lover Sollecito
By Lucy Crossley and James Nye
PUBLISHED: 21:00 GMT, 30 January 2014 | UPDATED: 12:44 GMT, 31 January 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... UILTY.html

During the course of the interview with The Guardian,Knox said that she has been in touch with Sollecito during the course of the re-trial - but denied any truth in the rumors that she had offered to marry him.
It had been reported that he had asked her to be his wife in order to obtain US citizenship and escape Italian justice, but Knox refuted these suggestions.
'It is not true. I don't know where that came from,' said Knox to the Guardian.
...
Knox said that if Sollecito is imprisoned while she remained free she hopes there will be an 'outcry'.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

same article:

Meredith’s mother Arline Kercher was at home watching the developments in Florence on live television as the verdict came.
Speaking at her home in Coulsdon, Surrey, her voice quivering with emotion, Mrs Kercher said: ‘I really don't want to talk right now. I am still taking it all in.’
Asked if she felt relieved, Mrs Kercher, who has been waiting for five years to find out what really happened to her daughter replied: ‘No. Not really.’
Dignified Mrs Kercher would not say any more apart from ‘Thank you’.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   



Video of AK interview in this link.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ava wrote:
Amanda Knox retrial verdict: Six things to know
By Peter Wilkinson, CNN
January 31, 2014 -- Updated 1152 GMT (1952 HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/30/world ... explainer/

On extradition:

Even though Knox was convicted this time around, it is unclear if she will return to Italy. CNN's legal analyst Sonny Hostin said that U.S. law dictates that a person cannot be tried twice on the same charge. "Because of this tension between Italian and U.S. law it is unlikely that U.S. law will extradite her. When the fight begins those are the grounds that U.S. attorneys will be arguing."

However, another legal expert disagreed. "They always forget she was convicted first," Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University in New York, told Agence-France Presse.
If Italy does file an extradition request with the U.S. State Department, Knox will have the right to challenge her transfer to Italy in a U.S. court. "The chances of her winning that are not high because there has to be some very strong claim she'd have to make to block her extradition," Ku added.
"I followed the trial, it was slow but I never got the sense that it was unfair," he said.

Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz added: "As popular as she is here and as pretty as she is here -- because that's what this is all about, if she was not an attractive woman we wouldn't have the group love-in -- she will be extradited if it's upheld.
"The Italian legal system, though I don't love it, is a legitimate legal system and we have a treaty with Italy so I don't see how we would resist," he told AFP.
"We're trying to get (fugitive NSA leaker Edward) Snowden back -- how does it look if we want Snowden back and we won't return someone for murder?" he asked.


Sunny Hostin isn't competent to comment on much. Even Dershowitz who I admire and have a lot of respect for has been playing catch up on extradition. Extradition is not like lawful search or the constitutionality of a new piece of legislation where any lawyer can give an educated opinion. The media has to put in some effort and contact professors who teach extradition because they are really the only people qualified to give an opinion.

I have been linking to this story http://www.metro.us/newyork/news/nation ... -on-trial/ because the reporter does what they teach you in j-school. Contact two experts at two different institutions and get a quote. The bigger media seems to not understand that calling a lawyer who you used for a securities law quote to get his opinion on extradition is not going to get an informed response.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ava wrote:
'They'll have to catch me and pull me back kicking and screaming': Knox's fury after being found GUILTY AGAIN and sentenced to 28 years in jail for murder of Meredith Kercher with ex-lover Sollecito
By Lucy Crossley and James Nye
PUBLISHED: 21:00 GMT, 30 January 2014 | UPDATED: 12:44 GMT, 31 January 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... UILTY.html

During the course of the interview with The Guardian,Knox said that she has been in touch with Sollecito during the course of the re-trial - but denied any truth in the rumors that she had offered to marry him.
It had been reported that he had asked her to be his wife in order to obtain US citizenship and escape Italian justice, but Knox refuted these suggestions.
'It is not true. I don't know where that came from,' said Knox to the Guardian.
...
Knox said that if Sollecito is imprisoned while she remained free she hopes there will be an 'outcry'.


Thanks, Ava. I was hoping that there would be a response from Knox about the marriage proposal.

So, they will have to catch her and pull her back, kicking and screaming? Pretty much exactly what will happen.
And I take no particular pleasure in saying this. She is a convicted murderer. The evidence Is there. The evidence is clear. Convicted murderers go to jail. This is not complicated. Nor is this affected one way or another by the number of interviews she gives, or the amount of whining she does.
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Michael wrote:
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Justice for Meredith, finally!!
Great work on the tweets and links, guermantes! Thank you so much! xx
And Raffie already on the run? Omg...
(Turns out it's only his girlfriend living there ;) )

10:01am, Fri 31 Jan 2014 Kercher family: 'We are still on a journey to the truth'
Sollecito 'stopped by police near Slovenian border'

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Local media reports that Raffaele Sollecito has been stopped by Italian police near the Slovenian border. ITV News understands that his girlfriend lives nearby.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01- ... an-border/



Yeah, right. If his girlfriend "lives nearby", why then were they both in a hotel?


It's funny. Luca Maori repeats RS only went to his girlfriend's house:
"Mr Maori said his client was "stressed" on Thursday and had travelled to the Friuli area because his girlfriend lived there.
Ansa reported that investigators were considering whether Sollecito had shown the intention of fleeing, and if so could keep him in protective custody."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25978340

Nick Squires posts a photo of the hotel where he was checking into with girlfriend:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Well, it seems clear to me that Sollecito went across the Austrian border to hide out for the verdict and only deigned to come back over into Italy once he was sure that he wouldn't be put in precautionary detention and only his passport would be confiscated. Had precautionary detention been ordered by the court, Sollecito would still be in Austria or some other foreign country now.

And on a different note, I'd just like to say that Sky's Greg Milam is a complete arsehole! Somebody needs to tell him that it's Knox and Sollecito that stand convicted of murder, it isn't the Kerchers that are on trial! This is the second time he's attempted to put the Kerchers in the dock with his line of questioning, one that never seems to be reserved for other victims of murder after a trial by British courts.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:36 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
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Justice for Meredith, finally!!
Great work on the tweets and links, guermantes! Thank you so much! xx
And Raffie already on the run? Omg...
(Turns out it's only his girlfriend living there ;) )

10:01am, Fri 31 Jan 2014 Kercher family: 'We are still on a journey to the truth'
Sollecito 'stopped by police near Slovenian border'

Last updated Fri 31 Jan 2014
Local media reports that Raffaele Sollecito has been stopped by Italian police near the Slovenian border. ITV News understands that his girlfriend lives nearby.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01- ... an-border/



Yeah, right. If his girlfriend "lives nearby", why then were they both in a hotel?


Hey Michael. Don't think things through n-((

These two convicted killers sure don't. sc-))
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ava wrote:


YIKES.

Glad the strain is taking it's toll. angel-)

Thanks to the entire forum in the fight for Meredith's justice.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Well, it seems clear to me that Sollecito went across the Austrian border to hide out for the verdict and only deigned to come back over into Italy once he was sure that he wouldn't be put in precautionary detention and only his passport would be confiscated. Had precautionary detention been ordered by the court, Sollecito would still be in Austria or some other foreign country now.

And on a different note, I'd just like to say that Sky's Greg Milam is a complete arsehole! Somebody needs to tell him that it's Knox and Sollecito that stand convicted of murder, it isn't the Kerchers that are on trial! This is the second time he's attempted to put the Kerchers in the dock with his line of questioning, one that never seems to be reserved for other victims of murder after a trial by British courts.


That is a really good theory on Sollecito.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

As ever, the only people put in front of the cameras who emerge with any dignity and display of humility and decency are the Kercher family.

The revelations about Sollecito's globetrotting, wooing of women bearing passports and sudden tourist excursion to Austria while his appeal against a murder conviction is being announced says loud and clear that he wont be going to prison willingly. He came back and surrendered his passport because he has another year to work out an escape route and hiding place. The lack of passport is not going to stop him scheming but with his brains it's bound to be a shambles.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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He was just doing a tour in Austria. Which part of 'don't leave Italy' did he misunderstand?

Sollecito, travel ban notified
"I did a tour in Austria, then I came back"
http://firenze.repubblica.it/cronaca/20 ... -77354020/



Half day tour huh? Just as a court is deciding on the murder conviction against him? It's Thursday afternoon, I guess it must be Austria.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Good theory. They caught him at the airport last time on his way to the DR, but crossing an EU border is a lot easier. Over on Bruce's forum, some were "hoping he had a private plane waiting to whisk him away" before the court ruling yesterday, LOL.

Nope, he got his girlfriend to drive him across the border. Not in the boot of the car, they scan cars at borders now to catch people smugglers :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:47 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Good theory. They caught him at the airport last time on his way to the DR, but crossing an EU border is a lot easier. Over on Bruce's forum, some were "hoping he had a private plane waiting to whisk him away" before the court ruling yesterday, LOL.

Nope, he got his girlfriend to drive him across the border. Not in the boot of the car, they scan cars at borders now to catch people smugglers :)



He might not show up on the scanner. It's set for people and a lump of shite might get missed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I'm stunned by this latest news and Sollecito's clumsy attempt to escape across the border with Austria. Have you noticed how he now prefers to stay in hotels in small villages in the mountains, in the hopes that nobody would recognize him there? ;)

And while this was going on, his lawyers were telling journalists that he was at a relative's house in Florence, waiting for the verdict. What a bunch of liars they all are (his lawyers, family, etc etc) Everyone should steer clear of them!

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Luca Maori #Sollecito's lawyer tells me his client is "not coming back" for verdict. He is "stressed & wants to avoid media"

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Mr Maori assures me #Sollecito is still in Florence & "has not gone to the airport"


That was said at about 6/7:30pm when Sollecito had already gone on his pleasure trip across the country.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

He looks positively crazy in this picture: a criminal on the run.

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I think he stayed at a hotel because the police might check his girlfriend's (parents) house in Traviso. But hotel staff looked at his ID and reported it to the police immediately. (Normally they just forward to the police station the next day, enough time to get away)

Looks like he isn't so loved in Italy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Andrea Vogt is one of the few sane voices in the wilderness:

Amanda Knox murder conviction spurs debate on Italian justice
By Anthony Zurcher

Some American commentators write that the US shouldn't put Ms Knox's fate back in the hands of the Italian legal system.

Joe Coscarelli of New York magazine calls Italian law "totally insane", as it allows a suspect to be tried multiple times for the same crime - a "double jeopardy" that is constitutionally prohibited in US law. He writes that Knox is "the poster child for not studying abroad".

The Atlantic's Olga Khazan labels the case "an illogical, clumsy disaster" that reflects poorly on Italian justice.

"Judicial appointments in Italy are made through nepotism, juries aren't properly sequestered, and the courts are in dire need of reform," she writes. "Prosecutors may have been right to pursue the case until they're fully satisfied, but the bizarre, never-ending saga that Knox's case has become detracts from the legitimacy of the final verdict."

The Week UK's Andrea Vogt counters that American media are turning the murder of Kercher into "some sort of twisted reality show, not a heinous crime being tried in a serious European court of law".

"Frankly, it makes a mockery of the Italian magistrates who professionally managed this appeal, and who regularly risk their lives prosecuting the mafia in that very same courtroom," she writes. "Has American arrogance ever been so bold? Have the western media ever been so complicit in such an orchestrated public relations sham?"

The Guardian's Nick Richardson advises that as the case proceeds, everyone should take a look at their opinions and see if they are based in reality and not on biases and cultural stereotypes.

"We should be cautious in our aspersions or feelings about the verdict, lest they say more about us than they do about the case; and if we do feel strongly one way or the other, we'd do well to ask ourselves if something besides evidence has a hand in our opinion," he writes.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

An entertaining article in the Mirror:

Amanda Knox's murder conviction: Does it help if you're pretty, white and flush the loo?

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But there is a whole BUNCH of things about what's happened with Foxy Knoxy and her chums which are pretty illuminating:
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He looks positively crazy in this picture: a criminal on the run.

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RIP Meredith Kercher
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Amanda Knox's boyfriend: I wasn't trying to flee (VIDEO)

Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend said Friday that he was out of Italy when he got the stunning news that they had been re-convicted of her roommate's brutal murder and he immediately returned to surrender his passport.

But Raffaele Sollecito said that before he could get to a police station, officers swooped down on him in a border hotel in Italy, woke him up and took him in.

"As soon as I got the news there was a guilty verdict … I came right immediately back in Italy," Sollecito told NBC News in an exclusive interview.


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Sollecito's comment is an insult to our intelligence: didn't cha know that "he had planned a trip out of the country in advance"?
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Everything the two say now-a-days is an insult to intelligence... mostly their own.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:14 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yay-)

Dershowitz: Lots of evidence against Knox (VIDEO)

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I'm curious about something. In the event that extradition becomes an issue, will England assume a position because Meredith was British?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:49 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I absolutely believe so. Politics play a big part in extradition...and England and America have a very strong relationship.
It would be extremely difficult for England to deny extradition..especially as Meredith's family have said they want it.
There would be no grounds to refuse. IMO, of course.

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And..to add..the only time extradition is refused..is if a Death Penalty is on the table. Then..unless that is not an option..they wil extradite. ( It often takes about 2 years because the guilty person fights it like mad :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Napia5 wrote:
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Have a look at Paul Callan discussing the case. Steve Moore attacks him and Paul Callan fires back. Excellent.

A few funny lines from Steve Moore:

* He can make confess Paul Callan in 53 hours denying him food, water and toilet breaks
* [Talking about mixed DNA/blood found at the crime scene] There was no mixed DNA on the knife. Amanda cooked with that knife. The knife is "out".
* I was there at the trial.

Paul Callan ripping Steve Moore to shreds on CNN



This is priceless. Callan seems to be trying not to laugh as Moore babbles on. At one point, it looks like Callan wants to signal her to not interrupt Moore. About darned time. Moore fumbled badly.


He's a complete buffoon! He doesn't even know who he's talking to. How many times did he state that Callan is a NY detective, seemingly oblivious to the fact that he's talking to a lawyer. He reference's the C&V report, stating that their conclusions are the only valid conclusions. He actually states that Knox was tortured for 53 hours! He is counting on an ignorant audience, something that was true six years ago, but which is no longer true today. Does he have any idea how ridiculous he appears?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:56 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

ttrroonniicc wrote:
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max wrote:

Déjà vu. Curt!..ah never mind...he probably thinks it's sexy :)

I've never understood what is accomplished by putting a coat entirely over your head. huh-)

Or, maybe it's a game, like in Sesame Street. Which one of these is not like the other? (Guilty?)

curt knox permanently angry look - hates italy, hates the world
maybe he should have been a better father


Is that Deanna? If so, she's certainly looking worse for wear.
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Jester...

All I noticed were Curts nipples and breasts. :shock:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Dershowitz is brilliant. Clear and concise. The Foakers must be livid :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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A little more is emerging as to what happened with Raffaele Sollecito last night.
According to the Telegraph, he was required to submit proof of ID when checking into the hotel.
Staff then alerted local police who brought him in to the station.
His passport has now been stamped so that he cannot leave Italy but the police chief says he will be free to leave later today.
Asked whether Sollecito was intending to flee the country, the officer said: "We don't know his intentions"


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/am ... ve-3096275


What's going on with Knox's hair? Is she wearing a wig? Was she wearing a wig when it appeared that she had short hair? In the photo at that link, she appears to have long hair again.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:16 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

That's not Knox, that's Janet Huff I think. Knox's head is under the jacket.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Tomorrow's Daily Mirror has Amanda Knox on the front page under the headline "The Ice Maiden". The FOAKers are going to freak!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:19 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

@Jester, you cannot see her, in the picture you posted she is behind her father and between 2 women. Her head is entirely cover by a coat. I also do not understand why she covered herself here.
Also, IMHO her sister is quite beautiful, even though she looks very tired (and that I do understand).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
He looks positively crazy in this picture: a criminal on the run.

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It looks like he was dressed for the Russian front.
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Jester...

All I noticed were Curts nipples and breasts. :shock:


He's no Mr Buff!
I remember news reporters describing Edda Mellas as "petite".
There's clealy some confusion about self image in the family.

Speaking of Mellas, where's Chris?
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That's not Knox, that's Janet Huff I think. Knox's head is under the jacket.


Thanks. What's her problem? Is she drunk? Why is she being smuggled out of the house?
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Michael wrote:
Tomorrow's Daily Mirror has Amanda Knox on the front page under the headline "The Ice Maiden". The FOAKers are going to freak!


Excellent! I can hardly wait.
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A poster from the Foaker site...is feeling very frustrated. Why? Because he doesn't understand why Knox can't say the words * I'm Innocent *. He says she just makes confusing remarks when asked. He's talking about the latest interviews since the last verdict.
Hand shooting up. I can answer, Clint9. It's because.............SHE'S NOT INNOCENT. She can type it in an email...but saying it? She can't risk it because she worries that it will show her guilt. So she rambles on and as the poster says...is confusing.
Simples.

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That's not Knox, that's Janet Huff I think. Knox's head is under the jacket.


Thanks. What's her problem? Is she drunk? Why is she being smuggled out of the house?


LOL,. It's not as if..she's in hiding. Or wants to be incognito. She is out there..in more ways than one.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:44 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Tomorrow's Daily Mail also has Knox on the front page, under the headline "Shameless in Seattle".

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capealadin wrote:
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That's not Knox, that's Janet Huff I think. Knox's head is under the jacket.


Thanks. What's her problem? Is she drunk? Why is she being smuggled out of the house?


LOL,. It's not as if..she's in hiding. Or wants to be incognito. She is out there..in more ways than one.




It's probably because those photos of her that the press are trying to take aren't paid for and Knox doesn't do freebies.

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Jester...

All I noticed were Curts nipples and breasts. :shock:


He's no Mr Buff!
I remember news reporters describing Edda Mellas as "petite".
There's clealy some confusion about self image in the family.

Speaking of Mellas, where's Chris?


Not Buff? I would add he is a buff-oon. I don't envy him..and I do feel a bit sorry for him. It has to be gut wrenching to be a parent of a murderer. Knox has destroyed the lives of so many people. Her own family included.

I was wondering..idly..this morning. Whatever happened to Frank Sfarzo? :mrgreen:

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capealadin wrote:
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That's not Knox, that's Janet Huff I think. Knox's head is under the jacket.


Thanks. What's her problem? Is she drunk? Why is she being smuggled out of the house?


LOL,. It's not as if..she's in hiding. Or wants to be incognito. She is out there..in more ways than one.


Thanks, either my laptop screen or my eyes are messed up, but I couldn't see Knox or the coat, but instead only saw the woman with the long hair turning her shoulder in an odd way. If Knox needs an escort to leave her mother's house, why isn't her step dad stepping up to the plate. He's been so silent.
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guermantes wrote:
Yay-)

Dershowitz: Lots of evidence against Knox (VIDEO)

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MUST VIEW VIDEO!

Thousands and thousands have been convicted in the U.S. with LESS evidence. Precisely what we have all been saying for YEARS!
Thank you Alan Dershowitz for not falling for the pretty American damsel in distress crap!
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Well, Michael...She says she's broke. ( couldn't afford to go to Italy for the appeal verdict). That was said before someone said......* No..don't say that. What if people pay for you?*.....Then it changed to * I'm going to be a fugitive..It's a trravesty, etc. wa-))
Freebies? No Sir. She had dinner for a shag on the train. Drugs in Perugia. And murder for a week's shagging. hump-)

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capealadin wrote:
Jester wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Jester...

All I noticed were Curts nipples and breasts. :shock:


He's no Mr Buff!
I remember news reporters describing Edda Mellas as "petite".
There's clealy some confusion about self image in the family.

Speaking of Mellas, where's Chris?


Not Buff? I would add he is a buff-oon. I don't envy him..and I do feel a bit sorry for him. It has to be gut wrenching to be a parent of a murderer. Knox has destroyed the lives of so many people. Her own family included.

I was wondering..idly..this morning. Whatever happened to Frank Sfarzo? :mrgreen:


Frank was badmouthing Bongiorno last I checked.

I think that Curt can take some responsibility for how his daughter turned out. He abandoned his family when Edda was pregnant with Deanna. It is impossible that Knox was given the attention a child deserves when Edda was trying to look after Deanna and Knox. If anyone fell through the cracks, it was Knox. Then, after who knows what kind of early childhood Knox had being shuffled between her grandmother, mother and who knows how many other caregivers, Edda marries a man that is about half way between her age and that of her 14 year old daughter. That had to be problematic for Knox. Next, Knox is sent off to some sort of private school. What was it about Knox that caused the parents to conclude that public school was not a good option for Knox. I suspect that there was some sort of concern for them to make that decision.
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As ever, the only people put in front of the cameras who emerge with any dignity and display of humility and decency are the Kercher family.

The revelations about Sollecito's globetrotting, wooing of women bearing passports and sudden tourist excursion to Austria while his appeal against a murder conviction is being announced says loud and clear that he wont be going to prison willingly. He came back and surrendered his passport because he has another year to work out an escape route and hiding place.The lack of passport is not going to stop him scheming but with his brains it's bound to be a shambles.


I wonder what he's trying next...plastic surgery, going underground...
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DAILY MAIL

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Jester wrote:
capealadin wrote:
Jester wrote:
Michael wrote:
That's not Knox, that's Janet Huff I think. Knox's head is under the jacket.


Thanks. What's her problem? Is she drunk? Why is she being smuggled out of the house?


LOL,. It's not as if..she's in hiding. Or wants to be incognito. She is out there..in more ways than one.


Thanks, either my laptop screen or my eyes are messed up, but I couldn't see Knox or the coat, but instead only saw the woman with the long hair turning her shoulder in an odd way. If Knox needs an escort to leave her mother's house, why isn't her step dad stepping up to the plate. He's been so silent.

Lol..I had that with the pic of her arriving at GM. I thought she had a huge spinello in her hand :mrgreen:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/arc ... 08263c.jpg
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Raffaele On The Run
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'Italian playboy' :mrgreen:
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Maybe she is hiding under the coat because she doesn't like her new haircut.
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Maybe she is hiding under the coat because she doesn't like her new haircut.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Hahahaha.

That's the first time I've ever felt any empathy towards Knox.
Been there, done that.
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jaybee51 wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Maybe she is hiding under the coat because she doesn't like her new haircut.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Hahahaha.

That's the first time I've ever felt any empathy towards Knox.
Been there, done that.


I remember that when Knox cut her hair in prison (pretty much the same cut that she has today), her mother made a big fuss about how the stress caused her to do such a crazy thing and that now her beautiful long hair was gone. I wonder how her mother is coping with another hair cut.
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I'm trying to read on the fly today. Where did the GMA interview take place? New York?

ETA: I found it, New York.
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Ava wrote:
SqueakEMouse wrote:
As ever, the only people put in front of the cameras who emerge with any dignity and display of humility and decency are the Kercher family.

The revelations about Sollecito's globetrotting, wooing of women bearing passports and sudden tourist excursion to Austria while his appeal against a murder conviction is being announced says loud and clear that he wont be going to prison willingly. He came back and surrendered his passport because he has another year to work out an escape route and hiding place.The lack of passport is not going to stop him scheming but with his brains it's bound to be a shambles.


I wonder what he's trying next...plastic surgery, going underground...

Well, it did look like he was growing a beard.

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I have a question; there are generally no border control posts around Europe (within the EU) - how can he be stopped from crossing the borders? Are we to rely on his integrity?

If he is found in another EU country, what will happen to him from a legal stand point? Is it immediate incarceration for breaking the terms of bail (I guess he is essentially out on bail now?)


Thanks to everyone for all the updates! And thank you Nell for the maps, that really put it in perspective.
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jaybee51 wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Maybe she is hiding under the coat because she doesn't like her new haircut.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Hahahaha.

That's the first time I've ever felt any empathy towards Knox.
Been there, done that.


Was that Knox under the coat? It doesn't look like her - I think somewhere it showed it was Maddison Paxton?
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Aranavachi wrote:
I have a question; there are generally no border control posts around Europe (within the EU) - how can he be stopped from crossing the borders? Are we to rely on his integrity?

If he is found in another EU country, what will happen to him from a legal stand point? Is it immediate incarceration for breaking the terms of bail (I guess he is essentially out on bail now?)

Thanks to everyone for all the updates! And thank you Nell for the maps, that really put it in perspective.

Good question. He has now been officially notified that he can not leave the country and his passport was taken. It is easy for him to travel around Europe without a passport, but if anybody recognizes him and reports him outside Italy then he is in violation of his travel ban and will most likely be arrested IMO.
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Aranavachi wrote:
jaybee51 wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Maybe she is hiding under the coat because she doesn't like her new haircut.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Hahahaha.

That's the first time I've ever felt any empathy towards Knox.
Been there, done that.


Was that Knox under the coat? It doesn't look like her - I think somewhere it showed it was Maddison Paxton?


The clothes are Madison :-) there was another picture (don't know where) with her wearing the same clothes.
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Ava wrote:
Amanda Knox's Parents Angry, Stunned Over Guilty Verdict
Jan. 30, 2014
By NEAL KARLINSKY, LAUREN EFFRON and NIKKI BATTISTE
http://abcnews.go.com/US/amanda-knoxs-p ... d=22305362

The parents of Amanda Knox said they were stunned and angry that an Italian court again convicted their daughter of murder and vowed to continue to fight to clear her name.
"Amanda's upset, we were all shocked and upset, but we're all ready to fight too," said Knox's mother Edda Mellas. "Everyone in the family, everyone in the extended family are all ready to continue to fight for truth and fight for her freedom and it's not going to stop."
...
Knox's parents sat down for an interview with ABC News shortly after the verdict was announced, and said they were not expecting this outcome.
...
Amanda was mostly silent as she listened to the verdict, which was being read in Italian, her mother said.
"She just said, 'guilty, 28 years,'" Mellas said. "She was more concerned about what was going to happen to Raffaelle."


How do you clear the name of someone who keeps telling lies?

Amanda Knox's book contradicts Sollecito's in key points.

That they were in regular contact after their release must have been another lie, otherwise their stories would match by now.
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Zopi wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
jaybee51 wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Maybe she is hiding under the coat because she doesn't like her new haircut.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Hahahaha.

That's the first time I've ever felt any empathy towards Knox.
Been there, done that.


Was that Knox under the coat? It doesn't look like her - I think somewhere it showed it was Maddison Paxton?


The clothes are Madison :-) there was another picture (don't know where) with her wearing the same clothes.


I think it's Madison under the coat. You can see it by looking through all the pictures in the Mirror photo gallery:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/amanda-knox-guilty-meredith-kercher-3096275#.Uuxzbfv-DCM

Pay attention to the clothes of the person under the coat and then look at what Madison is wearing. My guess is Melloxes wanted to throw off the scent reporters that had been waiting for Knox in front of her mother's house; they then took off in pursuit of the black limousine, thinking it was Knox in the car. After the photographers had left, Knox was able to either slip out unobserved through a back door or was whisked away in a different car. It's an old trick used by celebrities to avoid paparazzi (think Princess Diana, for example). So, Melloxes are slowly learning how to deal with annoying tabloid photographers and uninvited journalists/reporters.
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No sign of Tangerine Trousers ?
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max wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
I have a question; there are generally no border control posts around Europe (within the EU) - how can he be stopped from crossing the borders? Are we to rely on his integrity?

If he is found in another EU country, what will happen to him from a legal stand point? Is it immediate incarceration for breaking the terms of bail (I guess he is essentially out on bail now?)

Thanks to everyone for all the updates! And thank you Nell for the maps, that really put it in perspective.

Good question. He has now been officially notified that he can not leave the country and his passport was taken. It is easy for him to travel around Europe without a passport, but if anybody recognizes him and reports him outside Italy then he is in violation of his travel ban and will most likely be arrested IMO.


So basically it comes down to: 1-trust that he won't leave and 2-trust that someone will recognize him and report it.

I bet he doesn't like being well known and the centre of attention after this! Well done on all his efforts to make sure he was as notorious as Knox cl-)
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Aranavachi wrote:
max wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
I have a question; there are generally no border control posts around Europe (within the EU) - how can he be stopped from crossing the borders? Are we to rely on his integrity?

If he is found in another EU country, what will happen to him from a legal stand point? Is it immediate incarceration for breaking the terms of bail (I guess he is essentially out on bail now?)

Thanks to everyone for all the updates! And thank you Nell for the maps, that really put it in perspective.

Good question. He has now been officially notified that he can not leave the country and his passport was taken. It is easy for him to travel around Europe without a passport, but if anybody recognizes him and reports him outside Italy then he is in violation of his travel ban and will most likely be arrested IMO.

So basically it comes down to: 1-trust that he won't leave and 2-trust that someone will recognize him and report it.

I bet he doesn't like being well known and the centre of attention after this! Well done on all his efforts to make sure he was as notorious as Knox cl-)

Yes, I don't like it either. He can leave the country and go into hiding if he really wants. I hope they do at least regular checks on him. The good thing is that he is a dumbass. Yes, he has done 'great' for himself. He has been horrible in keeping a low profile.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Another short segment dedicated to the Amanda Knox case on today's AC360:

Amanda Knox vows to fight her second conviction (VIDEO)

Anderson discusses whether Knox could really face extradition with The Daily Beast's Rome Bureau Chief Barbie Latza Nadeau, Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin, and Investigative Correspondent Drew Griffin.

CNN AC360

By the way, here's the transcript of yesterday's program:

CNN TRANSCRIPT AC360 January 30, 2014

Joining us now is Amanda Knox's attorney, Ted Simon and Greg Hampikian who you just saw in Drew's report.

Ted, you saw this verdict as obviously a historic miscarriage of justice. What happens now? Because a lot of people are talking about her being extradited, but there's a lot of steps before anything like that. I mean, there's an appeal, correct?

THEODORE SIMON, AMANDA KNOX'S ATTORNEY: That's correct. And let's understand, some things haven't changed despite this unwelcomed verdict. You know, she was previously found innocent by another appellate court jury, not just not guilty, but actually found innocent. And that is why, when we think about that, and we realize there was no evidence back then and there's no different evidence today, why this is such a horrific miscarriage of justice, of really historic proportions. In fact, it's somewhat incomprehensible to understand how there can be a difference, how can there be a verdict other than what happened before?

COOPER: So, why do you think they made this decision, is it politics, face saving? What do you think?

SIMON: You know, look, the last appellate court jury did a searching inquiry, they reviewed all the evidence, independent experts were hired by the court that debunked the two key pieces of evidence, purportedly, you know, thought to be persuasive by the prosecution. They were eviscerated, evaporated, held to be without any probative value. And there was nothing else really in the case. So we left it to a discerning eye.

But I can tell you, a careful review of the evidence, you have to ask yourself, how is it possible that an appellate court jury found her actually innocent and now another jury of equal stature has reviewed the evidence again and there's no new or different or favorable evidence? In fact, now the knife was retested and the prosecution was basically throwing a hail Mary pass, hoping that they would find Meredith Kercher's profile on the blade. In fact, it was determined that she absolutely was not on the blade, you know. There was a finding that Amanda Knox was on the knife, but that was already the case and she had used that knife. So there's nothing unusual or significant about it. It simply remains no evidence.

COOPER: Let me bring in Greg. Because, Greg, you went to Italy to aid the defense team. You looked at all the evidence. You know about the retesting of the knife in the second trial. Is there any doubt in your mind that Amanda Knox did not commit this crime?

HAMPIKIAN: No, there is never any doubt about this case. We disputed the DNA evidence at the very beginning that was used to convict her.

COOPER: What did they get wrong about the DNA evidence?

HAMPIKIAN: Well, what they did was, they went way below where we look, so there's a level at which we set our instruments for sensitivity. And you don't want to go below that, because, frankly, there's DNA that comes into lab and chemicals or on gloves or small bits of transfer that can occur. That's one of the reasons. But if you want to go that far down, you have to demonstrate through a validation process that you can. So the normal level for those instruments was at a level called 200 relative fluorescent unit.

They took them down far below that. The FBI wouldn't even look at anything below 200 at that time to incriminate anybody. My lab would go maybe to 150. There was no DNA at that level. So we disputed it. The appellate court wisely said we're not going to hear from defense experts. We are not going to hear from the original prosecution experts. And the judge appointed two experts out of Rome, Italian experts. They independently tested the DNA evidence. And they agreed with the defense. And that's why she was freed. So science freed her.

SIMON: You know, Anderson --

COOPER: Ted, what happened now? I mean, where do you go now? Do you appeal?

SIMON: Well, yes. There's certainly an appeal. But you know, when you look at the case, and I know you're familiar with the case, and this was a horrific, bloody murder. And if Amanda had participated in any way, part of herself would have been left in the room or on the person of Meredith Kercher. No hair, fibers, footprint, shoeprint, handprint, palm print, sweat, DNA, saliva of any sort of Amanda Knox was found in that room. And you simply can't remove what you can't see. That in and of itself is absolutely unassailable, unquestioned evidence that shows she could not have been involved. That has never changed.

COOPER: Ted, what does it mean for Amanda Knox in terms of -- I mean, obviously she's not going to travel to Italy. That would not be wise. What about if she traveled somewhere outside of the United States, is that a concern?

SIMON: Well, you know, I know people ask a question on extradition. But it's really not in play right now, because first of all, she has another appeal to the Supreme Court of Italy. In Italy, under their system, you're still actually presumed innocent until that third final stage.

COOPER: So they wouldn't request of extradition of her?

SIMON: No. It would be way, way premature. And the prosecution asked for cautionary or provisional arrest warrant today, it was rejected. The court recognized she's lawfully in the United States. She was never required to attend these proceedings, in this form of proceeding. So she has done everything lawful. Everything correct. She's abiding by all court orders, and her appearance then was not necessary, and it's not an issue today.

If it ever becomes an issue, you can rest assured there are very substantial defenses that can be interposed. But, you know, I think we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. The bottom line is, there is no evidence, there was no evidence, and there never will be any evidence, and that's why this is such a gross miscarriage of justice.

COOPER: Ted Simon, I'm glad to have you on. Greg --

HAMPIKIAN: In fact, they retested --

COOPER: Go ahead, Greg.

HAMPIKIAN: We in fact have new evidence, which is this test reported just in November, ordered by the court, which confirms once again that the evidence we disputed, the DNA was not reliable. There's no evidence of the victim on the knife. That's new, and that came out in November. For the court to ignore that and to increase her sentence when Rudy Guede, whose DNA is in the victim's body is all over that, his hand prints are there, they lowered his sentence. It has nothing to do with science.

COOPER: Yes, Rudy Guede, they lowered his sentence.

Ted Simon, Greg Hampikian, I do appreciate you guys being on. Thank you.

You can follow me on twitter. Let me know what you think about this case @andersoncooper, the twitter hand out. Tweet me using #AC360.
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Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

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Quote from Andrea Vogt's latest update (Jan.31)

Quote:
Guilty. After 12 hours of deliberation on Thursday, presiding judge Alessandro Nencini and six lay jurors from Florence upheld the original court’s finding in the Meredith Kercher murder case: Amanda Knox and Raffaelle Sollecito are guilty.

Guilty of murder, carrying a concealed weapon, sexual assault, simulating a crime scene and slandering Patrick Lumumba.


THE FREELANCE DESK

Has anyone been able to obtain a copy of the court's ruling (dispositivo)? Last time (in March), Andrea Vogt posted a PDF on her blog/website and it was then quickly translated by Yummi and Catnip. I'm just curious to know: what exactly did the appeal court rule? Any compensation for the Kerchers?

I can't view/read the .org forum AT ALL today, not even by following the link provided by Ergon in one of his posts up thread. Is it now completely closed to outsiders? I can't register/log in as I'm banned from accessing their forum (*sigh*)
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Quote:
Amanda and Raffaele, says the judge: "That evening they had to do
Alexander says that Nencini until eight and a quarter of the November 1, 2007 the two convicts had firm commitments but "then the situation has changed." And then: "The jurors are bombarded by TV"

07:56 - "That night Amanda and Raffaele had nothing to do.'s Murder comes from there." To declare the "Messenger" is Alessandro Nencini, President of the Assize Court of Appeal of Florence who sentenced them. "Until 8:15 Amanda had to go to work from Lumumba, Raffaele at the station for a friend. Then the situation has changed." The judge also speaks of "jurors are bombarded by television" and "condemnation painful, I too have children."

"If that day Knox had gone to work, probably Meredith would still be alive," says Nencini to the Corriere della Sera. As for the motive, the court stated that "we have developed a line of reasoning.'m Aware that it will be the most controversial."

Twelve hours of deliberation, "necessary because the jurors would take cognizance of the acts, which are many," says Nencini, who will not lean on the definition of the crime of a sexual nature. "There seems to be a prevailing momente, - precise - the crime is born and matured into a boys night out." "What exactly happened after eight and a quarter of the evening nobody knows."

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guermantes wrote:
Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

CNN OUTFRONT


I just Wish for Bumble's sake..he didn't end with his wild conspiracy theories. The SUPREME COURT is involved in the conspircy..dontcha know :) Yep. They're involved with Rudy Guede. Who knew he was some kind of a Kingpin :shock:



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda and Raffaele, the judge speaks "I have children myself, it was a difficult choice"
"The defense had asked us to separate the positions of the two defendants But Raphael has not done interrogate
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I have no time to further look into the Nencini interview now, but it seems he said some interesting things.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

max wrote:
I have no time to further look into the Nencini interview now, but it seems he said some interesting things.


Thanks Max. Yes, I've just read Google trans of the interview. Would you like me to post it on the board? ;)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Okay, here's an imperfect Google trans of the Nencini interview:

Amanda and Raffaele , the judge speaks
" I have children myself , it was a difficult choice "

1 February 2014

"I feel liberated because the moment of decision is the most difficult . I also have children and to impose sentences of 25 and 28 years to two young people is something emotionally very strong . "

At 10 the day after the judge Alessandro Nencini is in his office. The President of the Court of Assizes of Appeal of Florence, who two nights ago held Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher, is aware that "the judgment will open a new debate, especially in the media ," but because of this agrees to explain how they arrived at a verdict.

You were twelve hours in closed session. The college was divided?

"The acts dealing with this process can fill half a room , there are 30 surveys . The jurors , who are not insiders, had to take cognizance of the file to arrive at a joint decision , as it must be to a Court of Assizes . We must examine the documents , reason above . We did this by taking all the time necessary taking into account that the victim was a girl. "

And then you have reached unanimity?

"I spoke to shared decision-making . I can say that in all these months and especially at the time of the last meeting we felt the severity of a sentence involving young people and families . This is a story that has upset many lives . "

Yours was a narrow path , the Supreme Court has urged to ' remedy ' in relation to the judgment of second instance of Perugia that had acquitted the two defendants .

" Not so, we had maximum accessibility . The only constraint was that in case of acquittal would have to give reasons in a logical manner . There was no stake . "

Even with respect to the judgment entered against Rudy Guede ?

" In fact the peculiarity of the process was this : a person already convicted on summary judgment and a final competirion for the same murder. The Supreme Court asked us to evaluate the role of competitors. We could say that there were two defendants , motivating convincingly. But we did not consider this to be the truth. "

Why did you decide not to interrogate Guede ?

" For what? He never confessed, and even if we had called [him to testify], he would have used the right not to say anything. We have not deemed it necessary. Instead it seemed important to investigate other aspects and in fact we have an expert report and heard the witnesses on which there were doubts. It is the role of the appellate courts . In four months we were able to get the definition . "

Sollecito 's lawyers had asked you to separate the positions.

" We will motivate in depth about explaining why we did not agree to this approach . In any case Sollecito decided never to be queried in the process . "

This has influenced the choice to condemn him?

"It is a right of the accused , but it certainly lacks an item of a process. He was limited to spontaneous statements , said only what he wanted without submitting to the contradictory [cross-examination]. "

In the years have been hypothesized different motives . Your idea that you have made ​​?

"We have a conviction and sentence in espliciteremo . At the moment I can say that until 20.15 that evening the young people [ragazzi] had different plans , then the commitments are skipped and it has created an opportunity . If Amanda had gone to work, probably would not be here . "

It means that the murder was just a coincidence?

"I want to say that it was a thing between young people [ragazzi], there have been coincidences and on this we have developed a line of reasoning . I am aware that it will be the most controversial . "

The Supreme Court has demolished the acquittal . Will you do it for yourself?

"I 'll talk about it , we must focus on the facts in the first instance that we have confirmed ."

And you do not believe that there were errors ?

"I never said that. Something I think there has been and will highlight."

You have condemned Amanda Knox but you do not have any protective order issued against her. Why ?

"It is legitimate that she is in the United States . At the time of the crime was in Italy for study and returned to her home after being acquitted. She is an American citizen . The problem will arise if there were to be a need to enforce the sentence. Now I do not think it was a necessary measure . "

So why have confiscated passport of Raffaele Sollecito ?

"It was the minimum wage . In these cases, the order is to prevent something and we had to avoid if one is untraceable waiting for the final judgment . "

It is enough to believe the travel ban ?

"Yes, we felt it was more than enough. If we were to be no developments will evaluate them . "

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Dershowitz wouldn't want his son to date Amanda Knox

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jaybee51 wrote:
Dershowitz wouldn't want his son to date Amanda Knox

http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/alan-d ... /id/550244


Great link!

Who are you going to believe, Harvard's Demigod of Appellate Law or <insert name of amateur nobody here*>?


http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v ... z.cnn.html

The inculpatory evidence is "very, very considerable".

"...for people that say there's 'no evidence', they're just not telling the truth."

"Based on this evidence, in America, if she were not an attractive young woman...on the basis of this evidence, she would be convicted and would be serving life imprisonment or even worse, perhaps the death penalty, in the United States."

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"...she has been conducting an incredibly successful media campaign," he said.

"I have to tell you, in 50 years of practicing law, I had never seen a more one-sided presentation by the media in the United States of the case. Everybody is saying there's no evidence against her and she's totally innocent. It's just not true."

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* Examples: the furrier from Illinois, the food blogger from Seattle, the retired Cessna pilot, the Redundant Reverend Billy Halfwit, the angloclown with no law degree, the British bunny doctor, the tiny Australian school teacher who likes to pretend he's a forensic pathologist/MMA champ when he's online, the chem prof who likes to spend his holidays telling 20-somethings he's a "DNA Guy", the phone engineer with an imaginary private jet, etc., etc..
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

jaybee51 wrote:
No sign of Tangerine Trousers ?


Last thing I read about him was that they are keeping their relationship low-key and have separate apartments.
Also, where is Chris Mellas? Behind his laptop?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:46 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks G. What I thought was interesting was the question that Sollecito's lawyers wanted to split the defence (from Knox). Nencini rejected this and mentions that Sollecito didn't testify. So when Sollecito did his spontaneous declaration Nencini was very serious inviting him to come back and tell more. Should have listened dumbass!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

max wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
max wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
I have a question; there are generally no border control posts around Europe (within the EU) - how can he be stopped from crossing the borders? Are we to rely on his integrity?

If he is found in another EU country, what will happen to him from a legal stand point? Is it immediate incarceration for breaking the terms of bail (I guess he is essentially out on bail now?)

Thanks to everyone for all the updates! And thank you Nell for the maps, that really put it in perspective.

Good question. He has now been officially notified that he can not leave the country and his passport was taken. It is easy for him to travel around Europe without a passport, but if anybody recognizes him and reports him outside Italy then he is in violation of his travel ban and will most likely be arrested IMO.

So basically it comes down to: 1-trust that he won't leave and 2-trust that someone will recognize him and report it.

I bet he doesn't like being well known and the centre of attention after this! Well done on all his efforts to make sure he was as notorious as Knox cl-)

Yes, I don't like it either. He can leave the country and go into hiding if he really wants. I hope they do at least regular checks on him. The good thing is that he is a dumbass. Yes, he has done 'great' for himself. He has been horrible in keeping a low profile.


He could go into hiding within the EU, but maybe it's more about not leaving for non-extraditing countries or going back to the DR?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ava wrote:
max wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
max wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
I have a question; there are generally no border control posts around Europe (within the EU) - how can he be stopped from crossing the borders? Are we to rely on his integrity?

If he is found in another EU country, what will happen to him from a legal stand point? Is it immediate incarceration for breaking the terms of bail (I guess he is essentially out on bail now?)

Thanks to everyone for all the updates! And thank you Nell for the maps, that really put it in perspective.

Good question. He has now been officially notified that he can not leave the country and his passport was taken. It is easy for him to travel around Europe without a passport, but if anybody recognizes him and reports him outside Italy then he is in violation of his travel ban and will most likely be arrested IMO.

So basically it comes down to: 1-trust that he won't leave and 2-trust that someone will recognize him and report it.

I bet he doesn't like being well known and the centre of attention after this! Well done on all his efforts to make sure he was as notorious as Knox cl-)

Yes, I don't like it either. He can leave the country and go into hiding if he really wants. I hope they do at least regular checks on him. The good thing is that he is a dumbass. Yes, he has done 'great' for himself. He has been horrible in keeping a low profile.


He could go into hiding within the EU, but maybe it's more about not leaving for non-extraditing countries or going back to the DR?


He gave up on Kelsey Kay when he found that marrying her wouldn't help him. He gave up on the girl from Oz. I doubt she could have helped him either. Even Oggi follows and snaps him in Dominica. Now he's staying very close to the girl with family in South America. She drove him to Austria. He thinks he's Adolf Eichmann. Oh! Wait a minute. He got dragged back inside a suitcase. Another bad role model for him.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Italy’s most influential newspaper, the Corriere Della Sera, this morning has published a fascinating long interview with Judge Alessandro Nencini about his reasons for convicting Amanda Knox. The interview was done by one of the newspaper’s most veteran crime and investigative reporters, Fiorenza Sarzanini.

http://thefreelancedesk.com/front_featu ... -appeal-2/
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:48 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

CNN OUTFRONT


Steve seems unhinged.

I think he's right on the verge of saying something that will cost him dearly.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Legal Dunning: "Judgments are respected, no interviews." "Fashion of the interviews on the council chambers discredits the entire judiciary, but an interview after a sentence is simply unacceptable." With these words entrusted to a joint statement, Sollecito's lawyers, Giulia Bongiorno and Luca Maori, accuse the President of the Court of Appeal of Florence, Nencini, a behavior "very serious, indeed unacceptable." That is, he "publicly commented on what happened in the secret chamber of the board and shall be compelled to criticize the defensive strategy of Sollecito."

http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2014/0 ... -77445301/

Only after a sentence. They sure didn't have any problem with a judge giving interviews after an acquittal.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yeah, they'll pounce on this and take it to the High Court. Not that it can mean anything of practical use for them against the verdict and sentence. As long as Nencini writes a good logical Motivations Report, Knox and Sollecito are toast.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Raffaele Sollecito denies trying to flee Italy after appeal court verdict

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/01/raffaele-sollecito-denies-flee-italy

and he was really going to Gubbio.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

CNN OUTFRONT


Still a buffoon! Now it's a huge conspiracy where Sollecito and Knox were prosecuted to cover up the imaginary fact that a police informant (Guede) committed murder? Was Moore required to retire? It seems like he has a very loose grip on reality.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:07 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jackie wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

CNN OUTFRONT


Steve seems unhinged.

I think he's right on the verge of saying something that will cost him dearly.


Steve Moore brought a pair of tweezers to a gun fight. No..a pen. Love the way Paul Callan Wow..he is shrewd)..let's Bumbles rant on. Good detective ploy. Loose lips sink ships.

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Jackie wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

CNN OUTFRONT


Steve seems unhinged.

I think he's right on the verge of saying something that will cost him dearly.


The word 'overly medicated' comes to mind. Be it whatever, the word, sticks.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

CNN OUTFRONT


Still a buffoon! Now it's a huge conspiracy where Sollecito and Knox were prosecuted to cover up the imaginary fact that a police informant (Guede) committed murder? Was Moore required to retire? It seems like he has a very loose grip on reality.


There is a good reason Paul Callan laughed at his conspiracy theories. One could think Steve Moore was there when the Perugian police called the Milan police to tell them to let him go.

The Supreme Court, he lets the viewers know, is behind this as well.

Steve Moore did not explain to my satisfaction why Guede was ultimately convicted if the powerful Perugian police wanted to protect their informant. I would also like to know, if he was a police informant and after having been convicted, how did it help the Perugian police to cover up anything regarding Gude by accusing an innocent couple of the crime? And why would that innocent couple lie to police?

Maybe he will reveal that in the next sequel. I can hardly wait to see it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:28 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks for the link to Judge Nencini's interview, max. I knew from his demeanor and obvious intelligence it will be one humdinger of a motivations report. I may be wrong on this, though, thought it will be shorter than Massei's, I was thinking around 100 pages+

Now, seeing his considered replies, can we start a pool on how many pages the report will be? (In Italian, to be specific, plus we'll know the results sooner :)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:38 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Reminder the reporter, Fiorenza Sarzanini, was sued by Amanda Knox for her book "Amanda And The Others".

La Knox lost :)
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mul-) PITY PARTY TIME! mul-)

1. Get haircut
2. Send out statements announcing how the decision is so wrong
3. Hide under coats to and fro
4. Rally the troops for multiple media appearances
5. Cry a river in between convoluted answers
6. Drum up a nationalistic outcry against the Italian judicial system

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Nell wrote:
Jester wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

CNN OUTFRONT


Still a buffoon! Now it's a huge conspiracy where Sollecito and Knox were prosecuted to cover up the imaginary fact that a police informant (Guede) committed murder? Was Moore required to retire? It seems like he has a very loose grip on reality.


There is a good reason Paul Callan laughed at his conspiracy theories. One could think Steve Moore was there when the Perugian police called the Milan police to tell them to let him go.

The Supreme Court, he lets the viewers know, is behind this as well.

Steve Moore did not explain to my satisfaction why Guede was ultimately convicted if the powerful Perugian police wanted to protect their informant. I would also like to know, if he was a police informant and after having been convicted, how did it help the Perugian police to cover up anything regarding Gude by accusing an innocent couple of the crime? And why would that innocent couple lie to police?

Maybe he will reveal that in the next sequel. I can hardly wait to see it.


Hi, Nell. I don't know about anyone else, but I personally find it more than a little unsettling to see someone so easily lose their cool in a discussion and then realize that this person was a gun-carrying member of law enforcement.
What is the expression? Cool under fire? Can you picture how difficult it must be to maintain your composure while staring through a gun-sight? I don't know what Steve Moore's problem is, but he really doesn't seem to have it all together.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:50 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The FOAKers have started two petitions to the White House to save Amanda Knox from extradition. They are asking for a humble 100,000 signatures and so far they have 1,089 and 636 in a separate petition.

Petition #1: Don't extradite Amanda Knox for double jeopardy
Petition #2: Protect Amanda Knox from extradition

These are very low numbers considering the interest in this case just peaked and her supporters are tweeting these links nonstop using her hashtag.
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indie wrote:
mul-) PITY PARTY TIME! mul-)

1. Get haircut
2. Send out statements announcing how the decision is so wrong
3. Hide under coats to and fro
4. Rally the troops for multiple media appearances
5. Cry a river in between convoluted answers
6. Drum up a nationalistic outcry against the Italian judicial system

mul-) la_) mul-)


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:05 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Steve's rants verbatim:

CNN TRANSCRIPT OUTFRONT January 30, 2014

BURNETT: Steve, when it's laid out like that it makes a real case for a guilty verdict. You have looked into this and had gone to the evidence in Italy, why do you say it proves Amanda Knox is innocent?

MOORE: Well, because unlike Detective Callan. I looked into the case. Callan just repeated only what the Italians have said. He said has no opinion on it and that means he hasn't looked at the evidence first hand. Therefore, if he is, as he says, New York homicide detective had he looked at that information, had he looked at every bit of evidence, he would agree with me and he wouldn't be spouting the Italian lie. I know that's his job as a correspondent, but here --

BURNETT: I know he will want it reply to that, but lay out for me, please, why you say?

MOORE: Prove me wrong with the evidence.

BURNETT: Make your case first. Why is that wrong when you have the DNA mixed on the knife? When you have a confession twice made and recanted? These are the points he's making that the prosecution makes. Tell us why from your investigation it's wrong.

MOORE: First of all, there was no DNA mixed on the knife. The second trial proved with independent experts that the DNA that they claim was the victim's was not on the knife. It was thrown out. So, you have to accept that. There was no DNA of the victim on the knife. Amanda cooked with that knife and it was in a kitchen drawer. It was, as the detective will note, it was a disorganized crime scene.

Again, the knife did not fit the wounds. So, how can you say that that knife committed the crime? There was another knife print of the knife that did fit the wounds that was never found. The knife is out. Then the confession is out and because, and the detective will have to agree with me on this.

If you give me 53 hours with a suspect and I can slap them, hit them, deny water, food, anything. I can get detective Callan to admit to the crime. If you then go to the bra clasp and admit that thing was recovered six weeks after the crime scene had been released and the independent DNA --

BURNETT: Meaning contaminated.

MOORE: Right. And it said that even with that, the DNA that they said was Rafael was actually a woman's DNA. You don't have the DNA on the bra clasp. You don't have the knife. You don't have any confession and that, alleged cartwheel was yoga moves to end stress and this making out that they said happened was a woman standing outside her own house where her best friend had just been slaughtered and her boyfriend is holding on to her to comfort her and they pecked two or three times on the lips. That's making out. And it offends me when people talk about this case without looking into it.

CALLAN: You know, Steve has very impressive investigative credentials, but he should realize that I'm not a detective, I'm a lawyer. You should have done more investigation on that before you sat in the chair.

MOORE: I was reading your lower thirds. It said detective.

CALLAN: I read your upper thirds and you have very impressive credentials but even in this country we don't let former FBI Agents decide guilt or innocence. We let juries decide and the one thing about this case. I was not in court, nor were you.

MOORE: Yes, I was.

CALLAN: Maybe for part of the trial, I don't think you were there for all the trials. I do know that you have this case going all the way to the Italian Supreme Court. You have six individuals evaluating it at the intermediate level. You have a lower court level. Court after court in the end said there is enough evidence here to convict her in much the same way that might be said in the United States. So, I'm not, I'm saying there's enough evidence here for them to have based a judgment on. I think we have to hesitate a little bit before we're overly critical of the Italians.

BURNETT: Only going to hit pause here on this, actually, go ahead, Steve, you can quickly respond, please.

MOORE: This was a show trial. Show trials, like I have not seen since Stalin. The minute you say every single court procedure in the world is leg legitimate just because it happened, then you are on -- put Martin Luther King in jail. This is not legitimate.

BURNETT: All right, thank you very much. I appreciate both of you taking the time and no doubt many of you watching one side or the other, although, I will say equating this to Stalin is a bit rich. But OUTFRONT next more of our breaking news coverage of the Amanda Knox guilty verdict because there was a huge question here that Steve was referring to, will the U.S. extradite Amanda Knox to Italy? If that happens, she could serve, as you heard, her sentence to 28.5 years in jail.
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Hi, Nell. I don't know about anyone else, but I personally find it more than a little unsettling to see someone so easily lose their cool in a discussion and then realize that this person was a gun-carrying member of law enforcement.
What is the expression? Cool under fire? Can you picture how difficult it must be to maintain your composure while staring through a gun-sight? I don't know what Steve Moore's problem is, but he really doesn't seem to have it all together.


I couldn't agree more with what you say.

Jackie wrote earlier "I think he's right on the verge of saying something that will cost him dearly.". I felt the same way when I saw the first interview. He is out of control.

For the sequel it appears they told him to tone it down a bit. He seemed very agitated in the first interview. They allowed him to keep his pen though and he keeps wielding it in front of the camera. Someone needs to let him know how this looks like from the other side of the camera.

Steve Moore's maturity level is not what is expected at his age. He is unable to calmly debate anything. I can only imagine how relieved Pepperdine University must be to have lost his input regarding security. Whatever it is they paid - if they paid anything - it was worth it.
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Yeah. The * timely* haircut. Ready for her close up......when..she thought..NOT guilty. Short bobbed cut to make her look girl next door..perennial student. Add glasses for Librarian look.
Also....there is no femininity to Knox. No softness. So..for her GM interview..a pink sweater..and make up..to soften the look. So contrived. In her pics arriving for the interview..she's in msculine attire..and a blue tea cozy hat. Not an endearing look.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Steve's rants verbatim:

CNN TRANSCRIPT OUTFRONT January 30, 2014

BURNETT: Steve, when it's laid out like that it makes a real case for a guilty verdict. You have looked into this and had gone to the evidence in Italy, why do you say it proves Amanda Knox is innocent?

MOORE: Well, because unlike Detective Callan. I looked into the case. Callan just repeated only what the Italians have said. He said has no opinion on it and that means he hasn't looked at the evidence first hand. Therefore, if he is, as he says, New York homicide detective had he looked at that information, had he looked at every bit of evidence, he would agree with me and he wouldn't be spouting the Italian lie. I know that's his job as a correspondent, but here --

BURNETT: I know he will want it reply to that, but lay out for me, please, why you say?

CALLAN: Prove me wrong with the evidence.

BURNETT: Make your case first. Why is that wrong when you have the DNA mixed on the knife? When you have a confession twice made and recanted? These are the points he's making that the prosecution makes. Tell us why from your investigation it's wrong.

MOORE: First of all, there was no DNA mixed on the knife. The second trial proved with independent experts that the DNA that they claim was the victim's was not on the knife. It was thrown out. So, you have to accept that. There was no DNA of the victim on the knife. Amanda cooked with that knife and it was in a kitchen drawer. It was, as the detective will note, it was a disorganized crime scene.

Again, the knife did not fit the wounds. So, how can you say that that knife committed the crime? There was another knife print of the knife that did fit the wounds that was never found. The knife is out. Then the confession is out and because, and the detective will have to agree with me on this.

If you give me 53 hours with a suspect and I can slap them, hit them, deny water, food, anything. I can get detective Callan to admit to the crime. If you then go to the bra clasp and admit that thing was recovered six weeks after the crime scene had been released and the independent DNA --

BURNETT: Meaning contaminated.

MOORE: Right. And it said that even with that, the DNA that they said was Rafael was actually a woman's DNA. You don't have the DNA on the bra clasp. You don't have the knife. You don't have any confession and that, alleged cartwheel was yoga moves to end stress and this making out that they said happened was a woman standing outside her own house where her best friend had just been slaughtered and her boyfriend is holding on to her to comfort her and they pecked two or three times on the lips. That's making out. And it offends me when people talk about this case without looking into it.

CALLAN: You know, Steve has very impressive investigative credentials, but he should realize that I'm not a detective, I'm a lawyer. You should have done more investigation on that before you sat in the chair.

MOORE: I was reading your lower thirds. It said detective.

CALLAN: I read your upper thirds and you have very impressive credentials but even in this country we don't let former FBI Agents decide guilt or innocence. We let juries decide and the one thing about this case. I was not in court, nor were you.

MOORE: Yes, I was.

CALLAN: Maybe for part of the trial, I don't think you were there for all the trials. I do know that you have this case going all the way to the Italian Supreme Court. You have six individuals evaluating it at the intermediate level. You have a lower court level. Court after court in the end said there is enough evidence here to convict her in much the same way that might be said in the United States. So, I'm not, I'm saying there's enough evidence here for them to have based a judgment on. I think we have to hesitate a little bit before we're overly critical of the Italians.

BURNETT: Only going to hit pause here on this, actually, go ahead, Steve, you can quickly respond, please.

MOORE: This was a show trial. Show trials, like I have not seen since Stalin. The minute you say every single court procedure in the world is leg legitimate just because it happened, then you are on -- put Martin Luther King in jail. This is not legitimate.

BURNETT: All right, thank you very much. I appreciate both of you taking the time and no doubt many of you watching one side or the other, although, I will say equating this to Stalin is a bit rich. But OUTFRONT next more of our breaking news coverage of the Amanda Knox guilty verdict because there was a huge question here that Steve was referring to, will the U.S. extradite Amanda Knox to Italy? If that happens, she could serve, as you heard, her sentence to 28.5 years in jail.


There is an error in the transcript. It is Steve Moore, not Paul Callan who says "Prove me wrong with the evidence." It is the response to Burnett's second question.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

More soundbites from CNN:

I won't go 'willingly' back to Italy (VIDEO)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:23 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
There is an error in the transcript. It is Steve Moore, not Paul Callan who says "Prove me wrong with the evidence." It is the response to Burnett's second question.


Thanks Nell. I've corrected it now in my post. CNN warns on their website that "it's a rush transcript" and "may not be in its final form."
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Nell wrote:
There is an error in the transcript. It is Steve Moore, not Paul Callan who says "Prove me wrong with the evidence." It is the response to Burnett's second question.


Thanks Nell. I've corrected it now in my post. CNN warns on their website that "it's a rush transcript" and "may not be in it's final form."


Thank you Guermantes.

I remember it so well because that was the first time I laughed during the interview. The evidence has been presented and is proof. He is unable to proof anything, makes some conspiracy claims and says "prove me wrong". That's comical.

Steve Moore's wife, Michelle Moore, has informed Paul Callan and others that Callan is wrong because he has received his information about the case from "the family". She tweets like there is no tomorrow defending her husband in her very unique way.

Steve Moore's career commenting on cases will be short lived. He sounds like a lunatic.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Legal expert: Amanda Knox "should stay where she is" (VIDEO)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:45 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I just checked Twitter and noticed Paul Callan has reacted to Michelle Moore's comment, saying that he has not been in contact with the Kerchers.

Paul Callan: "@santamariaxx @ErinBurnett @NellPMFdotNET @michellesings For the record I have had no contact w Kercher Family"

Michelle Moore keeps advising people about McCall's "fake wiki" even though it is Bruce Fischer who copied it not the other way around.

I have never seen anything like it. Having people registering a domain almost identical to yours 8 months after you created site, copying design and arrangement and then refer to the original as "fake". It is unreal. Listening to the FOAKers one could think it was the other way around.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:59 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Meredith Kercher: a crime that defies all our assumptions
By Jenny McCartney
01 Feb 2014

Many in the US are now seemingly convinced that Knox was coerced by police into false statements, and that the Italian court processes have been a travesty of justice. Yet there seems very little in the way of hard evidence that bears this out.

This much appears undisputed: that Knox – roughly an hour into her questioning – admitted being in the house when Meredith died, and accused her Congolese boss at the bar where she worked, Patrick Lumumba, of killing Meredith. She alleged he was alone with Meredith as she was sitting in the kitchen and heard a single scream.

Much later that evening, she produced a long, garbled note that appeared to be expanding her options, albeit contradictory ones. She said she was “confused” but that she stood by “events that could have taken place in my home with Patrik [sic]” although they now seemed “more unreal to me than what I said before, that I stayed at Raffaele’s house”. She said that “everything I have said in regards to my involvement in Meredith’s death, even though it is contrasting, are the best truth that I have been able to think.” The latter part of that sentence – “the best truth that I have been able to think” – bears consideration.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:13 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Dershowitz: Case against Knox 'compelling' (VIDEO)

CNN legal analysts Alan Dershowitz and Paul Callan discuss the latest guilty verdict in the Amanda Knox murder case.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Steve's rants verbatim:

CNN TRANSCRIPT OUTFRONT January 30, 2014

...

MOORE: This was a show trial. Show trials, like I have not seen since Stalin. The minute you say every single court procedure in the world is leg legitimate just because it happened, then you are on -- put Martin Luther King in jail. This is not legitimate...[/border]



Stalin?! "Seen"?!

Stalin died 60 years ago.

Was Steve watching Stalin's show trials when he was just a glint in his momma's eye?!

And what, in God's name, was that bit about "put[ting] Martin Luther King in jail"?!!!

The man is a complete loon!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:29 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
I just checked Twitter and noticed Paul Callan has reacted to Michelle Moore's comment, saying that he has not been in contact with the Kerchers.

Paul Callan: "@santamariaxx @ErinBurnett @NellPMFdotNET @michellesings For the record I have had no contact w Kercher Family"

Michelle Moore keeps advising people about McCall's "fake wiki" even though it is Bruce Fischer who copied it not the other way around.

I have never seen anything like it. Having people registering a domain almost identical to yours 8 months after you created site, copying design and arrangement and then refer to the original as "fake". It is unreal. Listening to the FOAKers one could think it was the other way around.


Has anyone tweeted those Dershowitz clips to Callan? (I'd like to see Callan get a little more intense in the face of the latest FOA lunacy - maybe he needs a little moral support from an esteemed colleague.)


ETA: I missed Guermantes' link (above) to the CNN clip (Callan and Dershowitz appearing on the same show). Now that I know Callan is well aware of Prof. D's opinion, I'm a little disappointed in Callan. Strange Steve deserved a much rougher reception.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:39 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jackie wrote:
Nell wrote:
I just checked Twitter and noticed Paul Callan has reacted to Michelle Moore's comment, saying that he has not been in contact with the Kerchers.

Paul Callan: "@santamariaxx @ErinBurnett @NellPMFdotNET @michellesings For the record I have had no contact w Kercher Family"

Michelle Moore keeps advising people about McCall's "fake wiki" even though it is Bruce Fischer who copied it not the other way around.

I have never seen anything like it. Having people registering a domain almost identical to yours 8 months after you created site, copying design and arrangement and then refer to the original as "fake". It is unreal. Listening to the FOAKers one could think it was the other way around.


Has anyone tweeted those Dershowitz clips to Callan? (I'd like to see Callan get a little more intense in the face of the latest FOA lunacy - maybe he needs a little moral support from an esteemed colleague.)


Not that I am aware of.

Paul Callan has retweeted a few interesting things though. I believe he is very well aware by now who he is dealing with when he talks to Steve Moore.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Uh-oh, poor Mandy, should've known better about the consequences and stayed in a comfortable Italian jail to serve out her sentence:

Amanda Knox could face detention in tough US jail
Amanda Knox could spend the duration of any extradition wrangle between the US and Italy locked up in a federal prison five miles from her home
By Nick Allen, Seattle

Amanda Knox faces being incarcerated in a grim federal prison five miles from her parents' house for the duration of any extradition battle between the US and Italy, the Telegraph can reveal.

If Italy makes an extradition request, and the case is argued in US courts, she would be detained by US Marshals and sent to Seatac federal detention centre.

In a US extradition case the "fugitive" is held in a federal detention centre. Seatac, the only federal facility listed in Washington state, is a 10-minute drive from the suburban home where Knox watched Thursday's verdict on television.


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Thanks for the link to Judge Nencini's interview, max. I knew from his demeanor and obvious intelligence it will be one humdinger of a motivations report. I may be wrong on this, though, thought it will be shorter than Massei's, I was thinking around 100 pages+

Now, seeing his considered replies, can we start a pool on how many pages the report will be? (In Italian, to be specific, plus we'll know the results sooner :)



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80 pages long!

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Uh-oh, poor Mandy, should've stayed in a comfortable Italian jail to serve out her sentence:

Amanda Knox could face detention in tough US jail
Amanda Knox could spend the duration of any extradition wrangle between the US and Italy locked up in a federal prison five miles from her home
By Nick Allen, Seattle

Amanda Knox faces being incarcerated in a grim federal prison five miles from her parents' house for the duration of any extradition battle between the US and Italy, the Telegraph can reveal.

If Italy makes an extradition request, and the case is argued in US courts, she would be detained by US Marshals and sent to Seatac federal detention centre.

In a US extradition case the "fugitive" is held in a federal detention centre. Seatac, the only federal facility listed in Washington state, is a 10-minute drive from the suburban home where Knox watched Thursday's verdict on television.


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Steve Moore, like Bruce Fischer always blows up, like Daffy Duck in the Saturday Morning toons I used to watch.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ann Coulter will be on Fox News Fox & Friends tomorrow -- Sunday -- 9am, est.

I bet the case will get better coverage than CNN and ABC.
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Napia5 wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Thanks for the link to Judge Nencini's interview, max. I knew from his demeanor and obvious intelligence it will be one humdinger of a motivations report. I may be wrong on this, though, thought it will be shorter than Massei's, I was thinking around 100 pages+

Now, seeing his considered replies, can we start a pool on how many pages the report will be? (In Italian, to be specific, plus we'll know the results sooner :)



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My initial guess was 120 pages, but I will have to consider. However, since nothing new was discussed at the appeal, I'm going to vote for brevity.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Zopi wrote:
Aranavachi wrote:
jaybee51 wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Maybe she is hiding under the coat because she doesn't like her new haircut.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Hahahaha.

That's the first time I've ever felt any empathy towards Knox.
Been there, done that.


Was that Knox under the coat? It doesn't look like her - I think somewhere it showed it was Maddison Paxton?


The clothes are Madison :-) there was another picture (don't know where) with her wearing the same clothes.


I think it's Madison under the coat. You can see it by looking through all the pictures in the Mirror photo gallery:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/amanda-knox-guilty-meredith-kercher-3096275#.Uuxzbfv-DCM

Pay attention to the clothes of the person under the coat and then look at what Madison is wearing. My guess is Melloxes wanted to throw off the scent reporters that had been waiting for Knox in front of her mother's house; they then took off in pursuit of the black limousine, thinking it was Knox in the car. After the photographers had left, Knox was able to either slip out unobserved through a back door or was whisked away in a different car. It's an old trick used by celebrities to avoid paparazzi (think Princess Diana, for example). So, Melloxes are slowly learning how to deal with annoying tabloid photographers and uninvited journalists/reporters.


or maybe she wasn't even in that house. In all cases it was bad publicity, covering her face (head) like that she looked like a guilty criminal.
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Napia5 wrote:
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Sequel to yesterday's episode!

Steve Moore and Paul Callan are guests on Erin Burnett's OutFront again tonight.

CNN OUTFRONT


Still a buffoon! Now it's a huge conspiracy where Sollecito and Knox were prosecuted to cover up the imaginary fact that a police informant (Guede) committed murder? Was Moore required to retire? It seems like he has a very loose grip on reality.


There is a good reason Paul Callan laughed at his conspiracy theories. One could think Steve Moore was there when the Perugian police called the Milan police to tell them to let him go.

The Supreme Court, he lets the viewers know, is behind this as well.

Steve Moore did not explain to my satisfaction why Guede was ultimately convicted if the powerful Perugian police wanted to protect their informant. I would also like to know, if he was a police informant and after having been convicted, how did it help the Perugian police to cover up anything regarding Gude by accusing an innocent couple of the crime? And why would that innocent couple lie to police?

Maybe he will reveal that in the next sequel. I can hardly wait to see it.


Hi, Nell. I don't know about anyone else, but I personally find it more than a little unsettling to see someone so easily lose their cool in a discussion and then realize that this person was a gun-carrying member of law enforcement.
What is the expression? Cool under fire? Can you picture how difficult it must be to maintain your composure while staring through a gun-sight? I don't know what Steve Moore's problem is, but he really doesn't seem to have it all together.


It is just unbelievable! every time it surprises me how they can invent something new in this case.
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Unbelievable is right! The more I try to puzzle out Moore's comments, the goofier it gets.
So, the police went after Knox and Sollecito to divert attention away from Guede, and conspired by contaminating evidence and lying and coercing Knox to name Patrick and then arrested Knox and Sollecito and THEN arrested and convicted Guede? So, the police knew immediately that Guede murdered Meredith? And everyone in Italy, up to and including the Supreme Court is in on this? What kind of insanity is this?
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Nell wrote:
...Paul Callan has retweeted a few interesting things though. I believe he is very well aware by now who he is dealing with when he talks to Steve Moore.


Good because I like this Callan fellow. He strikes me as being quite sharp.
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Ergon wrote:
Ann Coulter will be on Fox News Fox & Friends tomorrow -- Sunday -- 9am, est.

I bet the case will get better coverage than CNN and ABC.



Say what you will about Coulter's political POV, she went to a great law school and made Order of the Coif (top 10% of her class) - She knows FOA BS when she sees it.
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Michelle Moore just made a big mistake. She claimed "Harry Rag" is John Kercher Jr. and called him "beyond hateful" and "not a nice guy".

She had the audacity to tweet that to Paul Callan and Erin Burnett.

Hands up if you believe Steve Moore will not be invited for another interview on CNN.


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Hampikian making rounds on TV:

DNA expert: Science was ignored for Knox (VIDEO)

Professor Greg Hampikian discusses DNA evidence in the Amanda Knox trial with CNN's Brooke Baldwin

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Ergon wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Ergon wrote:
Thanks for the link to Judge Nencini's interview, max. I knew from his demeanor and obvious intelligence it will be one humdinger of a motivations report. I may be wrong on this, though, thought it will be shorter than Massei's, I was thinking around 100 pages+

Now, seeing his considered replies, can we start a pool on how many pages the report will be? (In Italian, to be specific, plus we'll know the results sooner :)


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My initial guess was 120 pages, but I will have to consider. However, since nothing new was discussed at the appeal, I'm going to vote for brevity.

I have no idea about the number of pages, but I think it will be detailed, but short and to the point. What I hope is that it will be done in a month, and the SC can schedule it this year.
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I think that even if it is done in a month they won't release it in a month, but wait the full 90 days. I don't think a court wants to have the appearance of reasoning in hast.

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Nell wrote:
Michelle Moore just made a big mistake. She claimed "Harry Rag" is John Kercher Jr. and called him "beyond hateful" and "not a nice guy".

She had the audacity to tweet that to Paul Callan and Erin Burnett.

Hands up if you believe Steve Moore will not be invited for another interview on CNN.


I suspect that the Missus may be reading the reviews for her hubby's latest meltdown. She probably doesn't want him to stand there, with his ass hanging out, looking stupid alone. She wants a piece of the attention.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Meredith , Sollecito 's father : " impermissible comments of the judge Nencini "

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The comments of the lawyers . "We ask first - say Bongiorno and Maori - if he [Nencini] speaks on behalf of all the jurors and whether the sentence on the non-interrogation of Raffaele Sollecito means that , if he had accused Amanda Knox, would have been acquitted ." "In any case , we remind all that the magistrates have the power to judge - emphasize the two defenders - not to interfere in the choices of the defense and to comment publicly. In the coming days we will evaluate the steps to be taken . " For lawyers Maori and Bongiorno "the fashion of the interviews on the council chambers discredits the entire judiciary, but an interview after a sentence is simply unacceptable ."

Sollecito 's father . " If it's true what I've read, then it's really an aberration of justice. A person who has been convicted seems to be more respectful of the law than the judges who issued the sentence , " said Francesco Sollecito, father of Raffaele, speaking with Adnkronos. "For me, one thing is unacceptable that a president of the Court of Assizes of Appeal in an Italian court can express himself in that way. We are beyond the reasonable doubt : we are even to the prejudice of guilt. It is an abhorrent thing , I have no other words . " Francesco Sollecito resides in Bisceglie , in the province of Barletta -Andria -Trani. Responding to a question about the possibility that some of the statements of the President of the Court may be interpreted as an attempt to separate the positions of Raffaele and Amanda Knox, Sollecito says that "if there was this intention, he had full authority to do so, having regard to the powers conferred on him by our judiciary . "

"I think it is absolutely dreadful that we should entrench behind an alleged refusal by my son to undergo an interrogation because , if we are honest as they say and not as acts say, says the father of Raffaele, he has never detracted in a single interrogation. The only time that someone had decided to hear him, he did not avail himself of the right to remain silent but responded fully to all the questions that have been asked. And I am referring specifically to the validation hearing just two days after his arrest by the investigating judge Matteini . Although his lawyer had advised him to avail himself of the right to remain silent, Raffaele responded fully to all the questions that were posed even if these answers were used against him. Obviously because there was confirmation of the arrest . "

Aunt on FB : Raffaele never a fugitive . " Raffaele has never believed in being a fugitive from justice , nor would ever be able to be available because of his innate goodness (correct interior) , his simplicity , his genuineness ." These are the words of Sara Achille , aunt of Raffaele Sollecito , entrusted to a video message posted a few hours ago on her Facebook page . "Although as a free citizen could remain outside of Italy - she said - in accordance with our law , Raffaele is back in Italy , confounding expectations a bit, all of which saw him already as a fugitive ."


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

To refresh Papa Sol's aging memory: Hellman gave two interviews explaining his and his court's ruling of acquittal, to be more precise, on 5 October 2011 (two days after the verdict) and in March 2013, after the Supreme Court's decision to annul the acquittals.

Read more here:

Court President: "Amanda is innocent ' But now the truth "remains unsolved"

Amanda Knox judge says she may have 'been responsible' after all

The judge who presided at the trial of Amanda Knox and her former Italian boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, has reportedly said they may be guilty after all.

Speaking just two days after he and his fellow judges handed down a full acquittal on appeal, Judge Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, said the court's verdict "is the result of the truth that was created in the proceedings. But the real truth may be different. They may be responsible, but the evidence is not there."


The judge says in an interview: "That's why I acquitted Amanda"

Knox Acquittal Judge Describes 'Political Background' to Case

In an unusual move, Claudio Pratillo Hellman, 68, spoke about the decision to acquit Knox of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, in an interview with Italian newspaper La Nazione.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:56 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
guermantes wrote:
Uh-oh, poor Mandy, should've stayed in a comfortable Italian jail to serve out her sentence:

Amanda Knox could face detention in tough US jail
Amanda Knox could spend the duration of any extradition wrangle between the US and Italy locked up in a federal prison five miles from her home
By Nick Allen, Seattle

Amanda Knox faces being incarcerated in a grim federal prison five miles from her parents' house for the duration of any extradition battle between the US and Italy, the Telegraph can reveal.

If Italy makes an extradition request, and the case is argued in US courts, she would be detained by US Marshals and sent to Seatac federal detention centre.

In a US extradition case the "fugitive" is held in a federal detention centre. Seatac, the only federal facility listed in Washington state, is a 10-minute drive from the suburban home where Knox watched Thursday's verdict on television.


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Finally, for the media, the penny's beginning to drop.

This time in a US jail won't be deducted from her murder sentence. Is that correct? She should hope it will be a quick process. I read articles that she could drag it out for years, but why would she want that?
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Michael wrote:
I think that even if it is done in a month they won't release it in a month, but wait the full 90 days. I don't think a court wants to have the appearance of reasoning in hast.

I think it will be judged on its contents, but you are probably right. The hope is that the SC might schedule it a bit sooner than the year (sometimes even more) usually mentioned.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... yours.html


"Read the 2,000-word 'cri de coeur' letter Amanda Knox sent to convince Italian judges she wasn't guilty of murder. It didn't change their minds... will it change yours?"
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hellman comments for the third (!) time on the verdict in the AK-RS trial:

Amanda Knox Judge Describes Agony Of Decision
The judge who convicted Amanda Knox speaks of the pain of his decision, but the colleague who freed her in 2011 slams the verdict.

Speaking about the latest decision, Judge Hellmann said: "I remain certain that there is no concrete evidence at all against these two young people."

"This new sentence was on the cards - it's tied to the decision made by the Supreme Court - Amanda's not doing a bad thing by not coming back to Italy."


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If he's retired, why does he still feel the need to comment? He has no business criticizing other courts' decisions. IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

This Michelle Moore. What a sad, pathetic creature. I truly believe..if she ever commits a crime..she would be found incompetant to stand trial. Nuff said.

Hmm..the LONG letter. p-((( I suppose Knox thought it would have some baring on the outcome. She's had more than 6 years to hone her pleas.
Nope. The Italians have her measure. In any event....she didn't appear. Couldn't be cross examined. And..THAT'S the reason
Raff only gave spontaneous outbursts. Talk is cheap but money buys the whiskey. Anyone can sprout BS..but it must hold up under questioning..or even polite enquiries :)
An Australian newspaper's headline is * Amanda goes on a * charming Offensive*. They got the offensive part right. Knox makes a statement that she was only able to have a cry on her way to the interview.
How exhausting. That means it took days to scrunge up some crocodile tears. Well, she certainly didn't cry when Meredith was murdered. No. In her words..she tried so hard to keep a positive attitude for Meredith's friends. It's throw up time.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:15 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Hellman comments for the third (!) time on the verdict in the AK-RS trial:

Amanda Knox Judge Describes Agony Of Decision
The judge who convicted Amanda Knox speaks of the pain of his decision, but the colleague who freed her in 2011 slams the verdict.

Speaking about the latest decision, Judge Hellmann said: "I remain certain that there is no concrete evidence at all against these two young people."

"This new sentence was on the cards - it's tied to the decision made by the Supreme Court - Amanda's not doing a bad thing by not coming back to Italy."


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If he's retired, why does he still feel the need to comment? He has no business criticizing other courts' decisions. IMO.


Quite right, G. The * concrete evidence*. According to Bumbles...insert (screaming here) * Knox was found INNOCENT.
Oh..so he says it was in the cards. Yeah. Because he knew his ludicrous judgement was completely flawed in every way. He obvioulsy knew that his verdict was going to be overturned.
Well...I'm thankful for sane, intelligent, methodical Judges..who have EXPERTISE in these matters..have righted the OTIGINAL verdict.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi, cape. Elizabeth Vargas is hosting a 20/20 special on ABC as we speak.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Sorry. ORIGINAL. Btw..In view of Hellmann's * Amanda was quite right not to come to Italy..perhaps he'll petition for Raffles to stay out of Italy as well. After all..what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander.
Yes. Let's see him do that. After all..he acquitted both of them. Pfft. In trying to save face...he's a complete fa(r)ce.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Oh..Thanks naps :)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hmm..mine shows Jeapardy:)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:28 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

capealadin wrote:
Hmm..mine shows Jeapardy:)


Check again at 10PM. Or don't. Just have a bucket handy.
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Yeah.It'll be on at 10.00 pm. Vargas must have cancelled the original show called * Whack wars*. ( that's the description)

Btw..Is it any good? Is it worth watching?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:30 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Aaargh. Really? I'm so * annoyed * (cough) at Hellmann and the letter already.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:38 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ted Simon, Elizabeth Vargas and a re-running of the Sawyer interview so far. It is just unbelievable how the tone and demeanor and the words being used are ever-so-gently manipulating the audience.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:41 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

For example: Sawyer calls the prosecution reconstruction an 'avatar cartoon'. WTF
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OK.Thanks so much.I'm not gonna watch. I don't believe there will be any new converts to the innocent PR .
I just don't believe people are stupid. Most anyway. I have to say, though..that NEVER have I *seen* so many fools together as to the Foakers. Like to like.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:42 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Rudy Guede's DNA is 'everywhere' In the room, per Diane Sawyer.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:43 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

FFS. And to think I used to really like Diane. She's on shaky ground with me now :)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:44 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I'm finished watching also. I'm not fond of watching all of the fawning.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Do you know..I just recently heard that DNA is not always present at the scene of a crime. I know Rudy's was. BUT..Hey..Diane. What about the mixed DNA in Filomena's room? I would really like someone to bring up the lamp..the bathmat boogie..the MONEY in Knox's account.
Where's Paul Callan? The voice of reason. Mannn.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Yeah. Give it up, Naps. Do something nice for yourself. I actually believe that anyone of us could be a talking head on this case by now. Well, perhaps not me. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Google-translated excerpt from the La Repubblica article linked by Max (about Raf's trip to the border; as usual, his stories don't match up and keep changing ;) ):

Still doubts about the journey of Raffaele.

Ambiguities of an alleged escape. After the verdict , Raffaele Sollecito gave several interviews to explain why , while in a courtroom his destiny was being decided, he moved away from Florence by car to pass the border with Austria in the company of his girlfriend . To La Repubblica, Raffaele talked about stress from waiting. "I can't bare to stay here, [let's] take a ride ," he told Greta, embarking on that journey because he believed he would be acquitted.

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This belief is the only point of contact with the account given by the same Sollecito to the American broadcaster NBC News. Where a makeshift (spontaneous) trip across the border turns into a journey that Raffaele had planned in case of an acquittal . "Once you have mastered the new sentence , said Sollecito , the immediate return to Italy." "I did not run away - he said to NBC - because in reality I came back ."

His words have not convinced the lawyer Francesco Maresca, one of the lawyers of the Kercher family . "I think that regardless of where Sollecito was traced (Tarvisio, ed), it is evident that he wasn't in Florence - said Maresca speaking this morning at the opening of the judicial year of the Italian criminal, in the course of the Salone dei Cinquecento in Florence - . If he had wanted to wait for the judgment, he would have been in the courtroom or in his home . Whatever else, may be evaluated differently . How to get the hell out [of the country]."


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

OK, I finally figured out what irritated the hell out of me with this 20/20 program. It's Sawyer's tone.
So incredulous. So disbelieving of what the events were. So shocked. For God sake, Sawyer, if you were so damn puzzled and confused, why didn't you talk to a few experts about the actual evidence and testimony before you did the interview? Get your facts straight. Know what you're talking about. You LED people to a conclusion with your voice. What a phony.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Hellman comments for the third (!) time on the verdict in the AK-RS trial:

Amanda Knox Judge Describes Agony Of Decision
The judge who convicted Amanda Knox speaks of the pain of his decision, but the colleague who freed her in 2011 slams the verdict.

Speaking about the latest decision, Judge Hellmann said: "I remain certain that there is no concrete evidence at all against these two young people."

"This new sentence was on the cards - it's tied to the decision made by the Supreme Court - Amanda's not doing a bad thing by not coming back to Italy."


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If he's retired, why does he still feel the need to comment? He has no business criticizing other courts' decisions. IMO.


If we assume Hellman received a financial favour in exchange for his generous acquittal and he has made the other party believe that the Supreme Court would not so easily be able to overturn his decision - that was a deep belief of the groupies and also Amanda Knox's US lawyer Ted Simon, that the verdict could not be reversed even if it was "wrong" - then he would be in a tight spot right now.

I am not saying this is what happened, but it is a possibility.

When Greg Hampikian received the request from Andrea Vogt regarding any correspondence with the keywords Vecchiotti/Hellmann, instead of rejecting compliance with the request, he should have been outraged that it was even suggested he had been in contact with the court appointed experts. He was suspiciously silent.

Something seems not right here.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell..Here's the thing. IMO. Hellmann was SO blatant. Willy nilly denying this, denying that. OPENING WORDS...were...

All we know for certain is that Meredith is dead. This from his arm candy..Vecchiotti :)

The prosecutors knew then...something was rotten in Denmark.( cross that..insert Perugia)..

As to the reasons? move your thumb and first 2 fingers together. Or megliomania. Sheer ignorance.

In the end..he has done neither of the killers any favours. Justice delayed is not justice denied.

Now..it will be so much worse. Having tasted x amount of freedom...led to believe that all the support..PR will set them free. Not so fast, Duckies.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:31 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks G. That is the dumbest thing I ever heard him say, and he has said some dumb stuff :) Good thing is that he admits to have crossed the border. Also note that Nencini mentions he will reconsider the precautionary measures if there are other developments later. Well done!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Am I right that there were only 5 traces of Dna found in the bedroom: 4 of Guede (body, bra strap, cuff,purse) and RS on the bra clasp.

Hardly 'industrial' quantities. Shows how hard it is to leave Dna behind at a crime scene.
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Yes..Max. AND...he only returned when he heard that he only had to surrender his passport..and he was not going to be carted off to Prison immediately. ( which I suppose gives him about a year to plot and scheme .

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:

If we assume Hellman received a financial favour in exchange for his generous acquittal ...

I am not saying this is what happened, but it is a possibility.

When Greg Hampikian received the request from Andrea Vogt regarding any correpsondence with the keywords Vecchiotti/Hellmann, instead of rejecting compliance with the request, he should have been outraged that it was even suggested he had been in contact with the court appointed experts. He was suspiciously silent.

Something seems not right here.


Follow the money and you will know.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Follain has written an article for Sunday Times.
I don't subscribe. Anyone able to read it?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:29 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Lots of comments here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eur ... ctab=all_&
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