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XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30, 13 - JULY 31, 14

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:00 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Conversation started July 10, 2013
7/10, 3:00pm

Raffaele Sollecito
Hi 7/10, 3:01pm
Kelsey Kay
Hello Raffaele. I am a huge supporter of yours. I pray for you often and have read your book many times. I will be contributing as much and as often as I can to your donation website.
I truly think you are the most honest and caring man and I am not sure what else I can do to help you, but whatever I can do, I will! 7/10, 3:04pm
Raffaele Sollecito
Oh I thank you immensely nice to meet you 7/10, 3:08pm
Kelsey Kay
You are very welcome. It's my pleaure to meet you. Bless you 7/10, 3:09pm
Raffaele Sollecito
Where are you from? 7/10, 3:11pm
Kelsey Kay
I live in Coeur D' Alene Idaho. It is about 4 hours away from Seattle. 7/10, 3:11pm
Raffaele Sollecito
i see, what do you do in your life? I'm in NYC right now wow, I was looking at your pictures, you're gorgeous! 7/10, 3:16pm
Kelsey Kay
You yourself are extremely handsome. I must admit . Well, for work I am a personal assistant. I work in an office. I hope you are enjoying NYC! I visited there in April. 7/10, 3:18pm
Raffaele Sollecito
Great! being a personal assistant is a nice job I'm with relatives here, and I'm working to raise funds for my trial are you single? you're more than extremely gorgeous 7/10, 3:20pm
Kelsey Kay
Yes I really enjoy my job. I am indeed single, are you? And I am so glad you have family to watch over you here 7/10, 3:20pm
Raffaele Sollecito
Yes I am 7/10, 3:21pm
Kelsey Kay
Oh, you are so sweet. You are an American girls dream.7/10, 3:21pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I would love to talk with you can you give me your number? you're my dream 7/10, 3:22pm
Kelsey Kay
******* can you text, I am at work for 2 more hours! You are lovely.7/10, 3:22pm
Raffaele Sollecito
yes I can my number is +********** 7/10, 3:24pm
Kelsey Kay
I will text you now July 22, 2013 7/22, 11:08pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I'm sorry if I did the mistake to come in Seattle and be mad at you .. I deeply apologize and I feel bad. I hope you'll fogive me because I felt stressed and alone .. did know what to do .. If there's anyway to reconcile I'll do that, but respond me back
November 19, 2013 11/19, 1:52pm
Kelsey Kay
How are you? 11/19, 1:55pm
Raffaele Sollecito
Hi Kelsey I'm fine ... in Italy at the moment Tomorrow I have to do an oral exam 11/19, 2:06pm
Kelsey Kay
What is new with your case? Update me! And good luck on your exam 11/19, 2:08pm
Raffaele Sollecito
nothing new really the court seems pretty fair and this prosecutor is not attacking anything actually we will see what he states on the 25th 11/19, 2:31pm
Kelsey Kay
So it is safe for you to be there? How long will your trial be 11/19, 2:31pm
Raffaele Sollecito
until january but soon I'll be back in the Dominican Republic 11/19, 2:32pm
Kelsey Kay
The trial is over in January? And when do you return to Dominican Republic? 11/19, 2:35pm
Raffaele Sollecito
on the 27th november 11/19, 2:35pm
Kelsey Kay
Ah I see! And that is where you will live? 11/19, 2:35pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I don't know anything about my future 11/19, 2:36pm
Kelsey Kay
Is it still possible you return to the US You should text me! Or can you not text from Italy 11/19, 2:37pm
Raffaele Sollecito
yes I can on whatsapp done 11/19, 2:41pm
Kelsey Kay
Oh, I need to download it again hold on 11/19, 2:54pm
Kelsey Kay
I don't see anything on here from you! On whatsapp
11/19, 2:55pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I've sent you two messages 11/19, 2:56pm
Kelsey Kay
Ok 11/19, 3:05pm
Kelsey Kay
Either it is not working or you are not seeing my messages
November 20, 2013 11/20, 6:16am
Raffaele Sollecito
28 is the score!!! On 30 of maximal December 5, 2013 12/5, 4:14pm
Kelsey Kay
I have tried to reach you on whatsapp 12/5, 7:11pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I have the dominican number now
+************ 12/5, 7:40pm
Kelsey Kay
Oh goodness. You just text me, ********** 12/5, 8:23pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I've texted you as well
December 17, 201312/17, 10:16am
Kelsey Kay
Please text me December 18, 2013 12/18, 1:14pm
Kelsey Kay
I know you have seen my messages. My phone alerts me when you see them. I'm confused as to how last week you wanted to marry me and this week I never hear from you. I don't know what is going on. Please put me in the loop. I have decisions to make based off of yours.
December 18, 2013
12/18, 4:41pm
Raffaele Sollecito
Hi Kelsey sorry for my delaying ...but I've been stressed lately
12/18, 4:41pm
Kelsey Kay
I've been so stressed and worried. Please keep in contact
12/18, 4:41pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I wanted to talk with you for a while but never got the right time these days
12/18, 4:42pm
Kelsey Kay
I'm so sorry. You said something bad happened but never told me.
12/18, 4:42pm
Raffaele Sollecito
well ... basically what we want to do has no effect
12/18, 4:42pm
Kelsey Kay
What do you mean
12/18, 4:42pm
Raffaele Sollecito
thus ... I don't know ... I'm pretty down with my mood
12/18, 4:43pm
Kelsey Kay
I don't understand
12/18, 4:44pm
Raffaele Sollecito
basically marrying you doesn't protect me by italians
12/18, 4:45pm
Kelsey Kay
So you only want to marry me if it gives you protection?
12/18, 4:46pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I want to date you, then hopefully marry
but I'm worried now about what to do
12/18, 4:48pm
Kelsey Kay
What was the bad news you told me about? What are you worries about. Give me details. I'm here to listen
12/18, 4:50pm
Raffaele Sollecito
well my project about the DR has to wait
12/18, 4:50pm
Kelsey Kay
Raff message me on whatsapp. It's more secure.
12/18, 4:53pm
Raffaele Sollecito
ok
12/18, 4:54pm
Kelsey Kay
Hurry dear
December 20, 2013 12/20, 1:56pm
Kelsey Kay
hey
December 24, 2013 12/24, 7:47am
Raffaele Sollecito
Hi Kelsey
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
December 26, 201312/26, 10:55am
Kelsey Kay
Merry Christmas to you as well. I hope it went well for you
December 26, 2013 12/26, 4:48pm
Raffaele Sollecito
yes I'm with family in Italy
December 27, 2013 12/27, 12:07am
Kelsey Kay
I am in the hospital. Please wake up and talk to me
12/27, 12:07am
Raffaele Sollecito
What happened Kelsey?
12/27, 12:08am
Kelsey Kay
I got cut my a box cutter that was dirty. It spread an infection through my blood and to my organs. I can't leave the hospital. They are keeping me here a
12/27, 12:08am
Raffaele Sollecito
Oh my What Kind of infection did you get?
12/27, 12:09am
Kelsey Kay
It is called Sepsis.
12/27, 12:09am
Raffaele Sollecito
Never heard about that
12/27, 12:09am

Kelsey Kay
Google it
12/27, 12:09am
Raffaele Sollecito
What the doctors said?
12/27, 12:10am
Kelsey Kay
The have me on an IV. Gave me antibiotic that I had a bad allergic reaction too. Pain meds
12/27, 12:10am
Kelsey Kay
12/27, 12:13am
Raffaele Sollecito
Oh poor Kelsey
12/27, 12:13am
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12/27, 12:13am
Kelsey Kay
I miss you.
12/27, 12:13am
Raffaele Sollecito
Did doctors say they have the situation under control?
12/27, 12:14am
Kelsey Kay
You feel both physically and emotionally far from me. And I don't know. All I know is that I must stay overnight
12/27, 12:14am
Raffaele Sollecito
I miss you too
12/27, 12:15am
Kelsey Kay
D
12/27, 12:15am
Raffaele Sollecito
Sorry I have tons of things to think about here
12/27, 12:15am
Kelsey Kay
I know
12/27, 12:16am
Raffaele Sollecito
That's the reason why I try to stay detached by anything else
12/27, 12:16am
Kelsey Kay
It makes no sense. I want to be in your life whether you're found guilty or innocent
12/27, 12:17am

Raffaele Sollecito
I think you'll improve and get better n
12/27, 12:17am
Kelsey Kay
I'm sure I will.12/27, 12:18am
Raffaele Sollecito
My life is here in this moment 12/27, 12:19am
Kelsey Kay
Ok? 12/27, 12:19am
Raffaele Sollecito
I'm dealing with my trial, my 12/27, 12:20am
Kelsey Kay
I know that.12/27, 12:20am
Raffaele Sollecito
Family, my last exam at university 12/27, 12:20am
Kelsey Kay
I know that Raffaele
Raffaele Sollecito
That's the reason why I'm completely blown 12/27, 12:20am
Kelsey Kay
I get it.12/27, 12:21am
Raffaele Sollecito
It's hard to manage with everything in this moment Even I have to deal with my business
Too much 12/27, 12:21am
Kelsey Kay
I'm not trying to be managed. Just trying to be a significant part in your life. 12/27, 12:22am
Raffaele Sollecito
Thanks honey Any kind of dear thought is very welcome n
I hope you'll get better soon And I'm sure you'll n 12/27, 12:24am
Kelsey Kay
Raffaele. I want to be more. Don't you want someone by your side who loves you no matter what the outcome or challenges are 12/27, 12:32am
Raffaele Sollecito
Yes I do12/27, 12:33am
Kelsey Kay
Well/ I'm confused then haha
12/27, 12:33am
Raffaele Sollecito
What does make you confused? D 12/27, 12:34am
Kelsey Kay
Idk. You haha D 12/27, 12:34am
Raffaele Sollecito
D 12/27, 12:42am
Kelsey Kay
I don't fell well 12/27, 12:56am
Raffaele Sollecito
You'll get better honey Now I have to switch off my phone I'm on the plane Talk soon
12/27, 12:57am
Kelsey Kay
K December 28, 2013 12/28, 5:15am
Kelsey Kay
Morning December 30, 2013 12/30, 7:19am
Raffaele Sollecito
Good evening 12/30, 9:32am
Kelsey Kay
Hey December 30, 2013 12/30, 4:00pm
Raffaele Sollecito
How are you? :d December 31, 2013
12/31, 12:46pm
Kelsey Kay
Sorry I have been very sick. Could have died if not for my surgery. Now I am recovering. How are you? Are you seeing someone else? January 1 1/1, 12:48pm
Raffaele Sollecito
surgery?? what surgery did you do?
1/1, 12:54pm
Kelsey Kay
kidney. Are you seeing someone
1/1, 1:03pm
Raffaele Sollecito
what did you have at kidneys?
1/1, 1:04pm
Kelsey Kay
Please stop ignoring my question1/1, 1:05pm
Raffaele Sollecito
yes I'm seeing someone 1/1, 1:06pm
Kelsey Kay
Wow.
1/1, 1:07pm
Raffaele Sollecito
it's the truth ... even if I don't know how it will develop, if anything will develop 1/1, 1:09pm
Kelsey Kay
The truth that you clearly avoided telling me. I honestly don't know who you are. Tell me this summer you're in love with me. You know what you wanted? A visa. That's all that I was to you. You lied to me. You lied by not telling me about her, by telling me when you court was over we would have a future. Telling me you still have feelings for me! You even considered marrying me again but your lawyers told you it wasn't possible to get the visa that fast. Wow. Just wow. I'm speechless. I was just a fuckin visa to you.1/1, 1:10pm
Raffaele Sollecito
you were not a visa I really want to know you, but you scare me with your strange reaction reactions 1/1, 1:11pm
Kelsey Kay
Don't lie to me. I have no idea who you are. This whole time you've been treating me like we have a future while you were seeing someone else.1/1, 1:11pm
Raffaele Sollecito
whole time? 1/1, 1:11pm
Kelsey Kay
I scare you? Strange reactions? I don't know what they call it in Italy but here in America we call that two timing 1/1, 1:11pm
Raffaele Sollecito
the person I'm seeing, well is recent 1/1, 1:12pm
Kelsey Kay
I scare you? By offering my hand in marriage to save you? By having a conscience! By wanting to do things the right way? By supporting you? I don't believe this 1/1, 1:13pm

Raffaele Sollecito
you scared when you left me alone for that days, I don't know you either and we are always very far I don't dislike your support it doesn't have anything to do with relationships 1/1, 1:15pm
Kelsey Kay
You didn't know me but you told me you were in love with me and that you wanted to marry me for the right reasons. I scared you by doing the right thing and not marrying you for a visa? You are cruel. You are not who I thought you were. We were engaged to be married. Now I know it was all out of selfishness, which is what I was trying to figure out when I didn't come to see you in coeur d Alene. Thanks for clearing that up for me 1/1, 1:15pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I care, but we I didn't promise anything this time we have never been engaged 1/1, 1:16pm
Kelsey Kay
Oh ya? Do I need to send you screen shots! And oh so you were full of fucking shit too when you called me your fiancé to the lady at chase bank? 1/1, 1:16pm
Raffaele Sollecito
we wanted to know each other to see if it could work 1/1, 1:16pm
Kelsey Kay
Cool. You're a liar.1/1, 1:16pm
Raffaele Sollecito
but we spent only one day together two days sorry
sure there's was my and yours willing to move to a marriage
but it's not the same thing as an engagement if we didn't date in the end ... we all the good intentions 1/1, 1:18pm
Kelsey Kay
You know what. I don't care what you have to say. You aren't the gentle and kind person I thought. You are cruel, and you twist the truth to make yourself look and feel better.
I've been DYING in the fucking hospital while you were too busy to care DYING 1/1, 1:19pm

Raffaele Sollecito
well, I will not stop you to say bad things to me 1/1, 1:19pm
Kelsey Kay
You were probably on a fucking date while I underwent surgery! 1/1, 1:19pm
Raffaele Sollecito
Kelsey, I'm in Italy ...1/1, 1:19pm
Kelsey Kay
Oh trust me, I'm not even close to done. You hurt me. You're careless.1/1, 1:20pm
Raffaele Sollecito
uh ... sorry I shouldn't say anything 1/1, 1:20pm
Kelsey Kay
Oh I'm sorry I wasn't aware that Facebook and whatsapp didn't work from Italy. Oh wait they do.....
1/1, 1:20pm
Raffaele Sollecito
sure ... but I was in Rome yesterday and with my friends and family all this time 1/1, 1:21pm
Kelsey Kay
I was in the hospital a week Raffaele. I almost DIED. What are you not getting?
1/1, 1:21pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I don't know how to support you I'm not at home on facebook 1/1, 1:22pm
Kelsey Kay
Whatever, You could have used whatsapp. you could have facetimed, 1/1, 1:22pm
Raffaele Sollecito
in less than 5 hours I have to wake up again and take another flight 1/1, 1:22pm
Kelsey Kay
Poor you. That's how it always is. Poor Raffaele
I assure you, you have made the mistake of a lifetime.1/1, 1:23pm
Raffaele Sollecito
when I could, I messaged you 1/1, 1:23pm
Kelsey Kay
Bullshit
You made a huge mistake. I don't take kindly to being lied to and mistreated and led on!
1/1, 1:25pm
Raffaele Sollecito
probably I made a mistake and I'm very sorry for your surgery, but I thought you just had an infection that would get away in few days 1/1, 1:25pm
Kelsey Kay
I fuckin told you it was serious. 1/1, 1:25pm
Raffaele Sollecito
I didn't know anything about a surgery 1/1, 1:25pm
Kelsey Kay
Well that's because you have been an absent asshole! The only time you talk to me is to lie and give me just enough to believe we had a future. What is your address, I am sending back my bracelet. I wore it every day. Now I am do e Do e
Done* 1/1, 1:27pm

Raffaele Sollecito
I didn't know that as well 1/1, 1:28pm
Kelsey Kay
You know why?? Cause you don't care about me enough to communicate. I always talk to you first. You give me just enough hope to hang on while youre dating someone else. You make me SICK. What is your address. You are a cold unfeeling jerk. I don't want the bracelet 1/1, 1:36pm
Raffaele Sollecito
yes, I shouldn't give you that space to hope in these conditions, I feel sorry1/1, 1:37pm
Kelsey Kay
Fuck you.1/1, 1:38pm
Raffaele Sollecito
even if the person I'm dating is not a serious relationship, but I don't have the right to put you on hold 1/1, 1:39pm
Kelsey Kay
1/1, 1:40pm
Kelsey Kay
Liar^ Scam artist^ Fraud^ using me 1/1, 1:47pm
Kelsey Kay
Your apology is insincere and means NOTHING to me Oh yes, ignore me. That's a smart idea. NO1/1, 1:48pm
Raffaele Sollecito
ok, I'm pretty clear that I would have done it for having a life, actually I told you that once we met my feelings were very big and sincere now I told you that I would know you first and then ... hopefully ... I remember what I wrote 1/1, 1:50pm
Kelsey Kay
LIAR!!!!!!!Those messages are only a few weeks old and I CAN PROVE IT. You very recently said that to me. First you want to marry me, then you are seeing someone else? That is called a scam.
I have ALL our messages, so quit denying that you did an evil and disgusting thing 1/1, 1:50pm

Raffaele Sollecito
kelsey, I'm clear in the message
we were talking about me having a possibility of a life 1/1, 1:51pm
Kelsey Kay
YEAH YOU ARE, You are clear that you wanted to marry me for the wrong reasons. I am sure America would love to know the real Raffaele 1/1, 1:51pm

Raffaele Sollecito
I know that that message is recent, never objected it 1/1, 1:51pm
Kelsey Kay
You are a cold unfeeling asshole 1/1, 1:51pm

Raffaele Sollecito
denied it 1/1, 1:52pm
Kelsey Kay
By saying you said that only to save your life, you make yourself look WORSE. You do realize that right? 1/1, 1:53pm
Raffaele Sollecito
yes I do 1/1, 1:53pm
Kelsey Kay
Good to know you have no feelings for me and it was all a game Everyone should know this about you. 1/1, 1:53pm
Raffaele Sollecito
but I also told you that I would loved to date you and see then recently you want to spread it? 1/1, 1:54pm
Kelsey Kay
I want to fucking scream. That's what I want. You are someone else. You are not who I thought you were You hurt me so badly. 1/1, 1:54pm
Raffaele Sollecito
well Kelsey I didn't want to hurt you 1/1, 1:54pm
Kelsey Kay
You don't care about me at all. 1/1, 1:55pm
Raffaele Sollecito
you basically don't know me still Kelsey I care I messaged you when I could 1/1, 1:55pm
Kelsey Kay
You manipulated and lied to me. Thank God that while you were in CDA I left you alone at the hotel so I could think. If I didnt I would have married a monster. oh did you? really? cause I see you all over Facebook all the time. don't mock my pain 1/1, 1:56pm
Raffaele Sollecito
no Kelsey, I'm online doesn't mean I'm on facebook I'm online even when I'm traveling 1/1, 1:56pm
Kelsey Kay
I can see when you post things and respond to people
Quit it! Just FUCKING quit it. Stop excusing your poor behavior 1/1, 1:57pm

Raffaele Sollecito
just yesterday at New Year's eve ...1/1, 1:57pm
Kelsey Kay
does your girlfriend know you are a scam artist? Maybe she should be warned 1/1, 1:58pm
Raffaele Sollecito
please Kelsey
1/1, 1:58pm
Kelsey Kay
fuck you 1/1, 1:58pm

Raffaele Sollecito
ok 1/1, 1:59pm
Kelsey Kay
I thought I knew who you were. Now I know nothing It is only fair she knows you said the SAME things to her as you did to me She deserves someone who actually loves her, and isnt a fraud
and so do I oh yes, ignore me. what a great idea 1/1, 2:12pm
Kelsey Kay
You don't even have the respect to respond to me. WOW!!! 1/1, 2:18pm

Raffaele Sollecito
I'm going to sleep Kelsey 1/1, 2:18pm
Kelsey Kay
you have made a huge mistake

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I wonder how Sollecito could persuade Knox to meet him? Apparently she wouldn't even lower herself to respond to his text messages.

It must have been something really important that needed discussing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

zorba wrote:
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band-) Happy birthday Nell


Thank you so much!


You're welcome, hope you are having a great time


I do! I'm looking forward to some quality time with the family later.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:08 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
I wonder how Sollecito could persuade Knox to meet him? Apparently she wouldn't even lower herself to respond to his text messages.

It must have been something really important that needed discussing.


wasn't that with the lawyers where he brought up marriage according to Kelsey. I do remember back then shortly after his Seattle trip he announced he didn't love Amanda anymore. He also made a couple of sideways digs like her behaviour at the Questura made him uncomfortable. The bit about him asking Kelsey to lie and say she met him in Seattle was in The Daily Entertainment News. Sorry I can't link.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

[reverso][/reverso]
Ergon wrote:
I would like to know how much Radar Online paid her for her story


Haha. She seems a little insistent to drag fight out as long as possible. She covers the same bases more than once...Nobody likes being lied to...on the other hand she changes her story from sepsis to a kidney surgery. I think they are made for each other..
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:22 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
zorba wrote:
Nell wrote:
zorba wrote:
band-) Happy birthday Nell


Thank you so much!


You're welcome, hope you are having a great time


I do! I'm looking forward to some quality time with the family later.



Oh nice, get your party hat on!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:23 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

tamale wrote:
[reverso][/reverso]
Ergon wrote:
I would like to know how much Radar Online paid her for her story


Haha. She seems a little insistent to drag fight out as long as possible. She covers the same bases more than once...Nobody likes being lied to...on the other hand she changes her story from sepsis to a kidney surgery. I think they are made for each other..



Sepsis is blood poisoning Tamale so it is a thing that affects both liver and kidneys

Sepsis as in septic

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

tamale wrote:
[reverso][/reverso]
Ergon wrote:
I would like to know how much Radar Online paid her for her story


Haha. She seems a little insistent to drag fight out as long as possible. She covers the same bases more than once...Nobody likes being lied to...on the other hand she changes her story from sepsis to a kidney surgery. I think they are made for each other..



This is a bit much coming from you Tamale, considering you supported Frank Sfarzo, paid for his airline fare, and accommodation then provided Ergon with all kinds of details about him when things didn't tuirn out nicely.

Have a heart because Ergon did show you one.
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I wonder how Sollecito could persuade Knox to meet him? Apparently she wouldn't even lower herself to respond to his text messages.

It must have been something really important that needed discussing.


wasn't that with the lawyers where he brought up marriage according to Kelsey. I do remember back then shortly after his Seattle trip he announced he didn't love Amanda anymore. He also made a couple of sideways digs like her behaviour at the Questura made him uncomfortable. The bit about him asking Kelsey to lie and say she met him in Seattle was in The Daily Entertainment News. Sorry I can't link.


We didn't know until Kelsey Kay revealed it that their lawyers met. The photos taken revealed only a meeting between him and Knox plus Edda Mellas.

I remember the photo with the uncomfortable looking hug.

Sollecito seems to take rejection just as well as Knox.
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I would like to know how much Radar Online paid her for her story


Haha. She seems a little insistent to drag fight out as long as possible. She covers the same bases more than once...Nobody likes being lied to...on the other hand she changes her story from sepsis to a kidney surgery. I think they are made for each other..



Sepsis is blood poisoning Tamale so it is a thing that affects both liver and kidneys

Sepsis as in septic


Exactly. It started as sepsis and resulted in a a surgery, even though she does not reveal what kind of surgery.
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She isn't stupid though, I mean she asked him are you seeing someone, and three times he avoided a response and kept asking about her illness and she put him in his place sharp.

He is an ugly-minded bastard.


I think so too. This kind of confrontation is a very typical reaction when someone already knows the answer. Could that have been around the time Sollecito was photographed with a woman in the Dominican Republic? Kelsey Kay must have read that story too, was hurt and asked him directly. Despite his efforts to avoid responding, she nailed him and reacted angrily because of his attempts to fool her.

If Kelsey had a weak character, she would have happily accepted any excuse from him just to make the pain go away momentarily by clinging to the hope of a possible future together. Apparently she preferred to see reality straight in the eye. Good for her.



Yes Nell, and I feel that she is someone, who can see/process the truth/facts if provided with the correct data, she will be able to work that out, work it out how he has been lying about everything concerning the murder, of course she will, it is quite possible to read local stuff or whatever and think those people have been framed, it is because it has always been the PR firms's intention to have everyone believe such nonsense, but if she is informed and provided with info from other sources I'm sure she will see the light.

She now strikes me as being brighter than I took her for at first, because there are reasons why a person could believe certain things and he approached her faster than she could have imagined, even when she had told him she was a big supporter, within no time he was on her doorstep stuffing his tongue down her neck, telling her he loved her and wanted to marry her, she was gorgeous, she was more than that.

The guy is one sick bastard.

And it is good to hear her telling him off. Everything is all about him, poor Raffaele, it was about a life for ME he said, meaning he always saw it from his angle but was and is someone unable top step into anyone else's shoes, that means he is incapable of showing empathy, cannot feel it, because it is all about him.

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My reaction to reading some of the communication between Sollecito and this woman, and watching her monologue, is not at all positive. I see her as a manipulative woman that wanted her fifteen minutes of fame by latching onto a man standing trial for the murder of a young woman. I'm of the opinion that she knew exactly what she was doing, and that her objective was always to hit the jackpot.

I think it is absurd to believe that she ever believed that this was anything more than a marriage of convenience for a US passport. She knew that she could cash in one way or another - either by marriage to a man from a wealthy family, or as she is cashing in today. My impression as I read through some of it is that she wanted to put him on a yoyo string. He was at the hotel to visit her, and she didn't show up. That upset him, so he packed it in and went to the DR. After he's gone, then she tries to get her hooks into him again, but she wants to do this from a distance. She plays the guilt card, but that doesn't work. All of a sudden, she discovers that he's moved on from their 2 days relationship, and she's so angry that she calls him all sorts of names, plays the guilt card again, couldn't care less about his troubles, and then the jackpot - she sells the story to a tabloid.

It's funny to watch her face, especially her mouth, as she talks. The botox is so fresh that the only thing that moves is her chin.

I see her as a not too bright, mentally unstable, superficial lunatic, but also as a manipulative woman that has no boundaries when it comes to get rich quick schemes. She appear ridiculous in calling him a schemer, because she is Schemer No. 1, as she initiated the contact. What woman actually believes that a discussion about marriage, with a man that hopes to avoid prison in another country, does not have strings attached? She's not that stupid.
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For me, the most telling moment is when she asks him why he hasn't contacted her and he explains he was "down". When she keeps asking what it is that troubles him, he lets her know that the plan he had concocted will not work like he had hoped and that he just found out that marrying her will not protect him from Italian justice.

She reacts shocked that this is the only reason he considered marriage, but apparently he thinks he deserves some sympathy here.

So basically, he expects her to be supportive because he's frustrated finding out she won't be useful to him. How nice is that? How sensitive.
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My reaction to reading some of the communication between Sollecito and this woman, and watching her monologue, is not at all positive. I see her as a manipulative woman that wanted her fifteen minutes of fame by latching onto a man standing trial for the murder of a young woman. I'm of the opinion that she knew exactly what she was doing, and that her objective was always to hit the jackpot.

I think it is absurd to believe that she ever believed that this was anything more than a marriage of convenience for a US passport. She knew that she could cash in one way or another - either by marriage to a man from a wealthy family, or as she is cashing in today. My impression as I read through some of it is that she wanted to put him on a yoyo string. He was at the hotel to visit her, and she didn't show up. That upset him, so he packed it in and went to the DR. After he's gone, then she tries to get her hooks into him again, but she wants to do this from a distance. She plays the guilt card, but that doesn't work. All of a sudden, she discovers that he's moved on from their 2 days relationship, and she's so angry that she calls him all sorts of names, plays the guilt card again, couldn't care less about his troubles, and then the jackpot - she sells the story to a tabloid.

It's funny to watch her face, especially her mouth, as she talks. The botox is so fresh that the only thing that moves is her chin.

I see her as a not too bright, mentally unstable, superficial lunatic, but also as a manipulative woman that has no boundaries when it comes to get rich quick schemes. She appear ridiculous in calling him a schemer, because she is Schemer No. 1, as she initiated the contact. What woman actually believes that a discussion about marriage, with a man that hopes to avoid prison in another country, does not have strings attached? She's not that stupid.


You could be right with your opinion, but even if it were true, she's not the one on trial. It doesn't detract from the facts that have emerged regarding Sollecito trying to avoid justice.

He doesn't even deny it, he only disagrees on the exact status of that "relationship".

You can criticise this woman for seeking the limelight for financial gain (if she was paid for the story, maybe she only did it for the revenge), you can criticise her for revealing personal text messages, but it doesn't change that he doesn't deny it. To the contrary, he has confirmed it.

She is not the important part of the story, he is.
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Jester wrote:
My reaction to reading some of the communication between Sollecito and this woman, and watching her monologue, is not at all positive. I see her as a manipulative woman that wanted her fifteen minutes of fame by latching onto a man standing trial for the murder of a young woman. I'm of the opinion that she knew exactly what she was doing, and that her objective was always to hit the jackpot.

I think it is absurd to believe that she ever believed that this was anything more than a marriage of convenience for a US passport. She knew that she could cash in one way or another - either by marriage to a man from a wealthy family, or as she is cashing in today. My impression as I read through some of it is that she wanted to put him on a yoyo string. He was at the hotel to visit her, and she didn't show up. That upset him, so he packed it in and went to the DR. After he's gone, then she tries to get her hooks into him again, but she wants to do this from a distance. She plays the guilt card, but that doesn't work. All of a sudden, she discovers that he's moved on from their 2 days relationship, and she's so angry that she calls him all sorts of names, plays the guilt card again, couldn't care less about his troubles, and then the jackpot - she sells the story to a tabloid.

It's funny to watch her face, especially her mouth, as she talks. The botox is so fresh that the only thing that moves is her chin.

I see her as a not too bright, mentally unstable, superficial lunatic, but also as a manipulative woman that has no boundaries when it comes to get rich quick schemes. She appear ridiculous in calling him a schemer, because she is Schemer No. 1, as she initiated the contact. What woman actually believes that a discussion about marriage, with a man that hopes to avoid prison in another country, does not have strings attached? She's not that stupid.


I do not sense these things from what she said.

He was down there in no time, but it was all a bit too fast for her, so she needed a moment to think, which I can well imagine. I bet she spoke to her friendGirl who said wait up a moment.
She is wrong in being needy in hoping for a loving relationship, but the speed he worked at was a tad too fast for her.

Will look into it some more though.

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If you look at her with her friend, the friend is very young too, so I do not thibk she had botox, she is young.

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A bit more detail in The Mirror:

Meredith Kercher suspect Rafaelle Sollecito proposed TWICE to two different girls to avoid facing trial

The 22-year-old had read his book Honor Bound and empathised with him after she had been wrongly convicted of a crime. She had taken the blame for a theft to keep her then boyfriend out of prison and was handed community service by a judge.

She did a net search for Sollecito and found his website appealing for help to raise cash for his retrial legal fees. She left a message and a donation on June 10 last year. He replied immediately – and began quizzing her about her personal life.
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Later he arranged to meet her for dinner saying he wanted to get to know her better. But as they ate Sollecito “flipped” after Kelsey told him about her brush with the law.

He wrongly thought it would prevent them from marrying. He called his lawyer from the table who assured him it would not. Kelsey said: “I felt intimidated. He had been yelling at me. I was at the point where I was like, ‘This is nuts. What am I doing here?’ I was confused.”


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Sounds like the girl has a history of helping guys in trouble with the law.
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I'm not sure what to think at the moment though Jester.

Maybe seeing so many awful people is taking its toll, it is too much

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Jester wrote:
My reaction to reading some of the communication between Sollecito and this woman, and watching her monologue, is not at all positive. I see her as a manipulative woman that wanted her fifteen minutes of fame by latching onto a man standing trial for the murder of a young woman. I'm of the opinion that she knew exactly what she was doing, and that her objective was always to hit the jackpot.



Spot on, Jester. I agree absolutely with your assessment.
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Nell wrote:
For me, the most telling moment is when she asks him why he hasn't contacted her and he explains he was "down". When she keeps asking what it is that troubles him, he lets her know that the plan he had concocted will not work like he had hoped and that he just found out that marrying her will not protect him from Italian justice.

She reacts shocked that this is the only reason he considered marriage, but apparently he thinks he deserves some sympathy here.

So basically, he expects her to be supportive because he's frustrated finding out she won't be useful to him. How nice is that? How sensitive.


Sollecito is obviously very troubled about his predicament. His sole objective seems to be to figure out how to avoid the consequences of a guilty verdict. Kelsey asks him to tell her what's going on with the case, but she seems to have no interest in comprehending the tremendous stress he feels. I think it was a plan, from the beginning, to sell the story. I think that her feigned interest in what's happening in his private life is to get the inside scoop about his plans related to the trial.

Knox and Sollecito both expect that people from the US will pamper them, as that is what they've experienced since the day of the murder. Kelsey, a single mother that works six days a week, said that she wants to give him money to help him escape justice. She said all the right things to lure him in. He pounced, thinking that breaking the law again, with a fake marriage, would solve his problems. I don't believe for a moment that Kelsey ever believed that a marriage proposal, after knowing someone only a couple of days, was anything but a business contract, yet she acts like a jilted woman. If she truly believed that marrying a stranger was a good idea, she would have gone to the hotel to see him. As I see it, she didn't show up, so she broke it off. He left the country, and more or less terminated the contact. Then we see the yoyo string come out, where she pleads with him to respond, claims that she's in the hospital dying, and he responds. Then she brings up marriage again. When he tells her that he doesn't really know her and is upset that she stood him up, she keeps tugging at the yoyo string. When she realizes that she's been dumped and he's moved on, well, the rest is history. She collected her big fat cheque from the tabloid and she's had her 15 minutes of fame. I would steer clear of a woman like that. Sollecito sure knows how to pick them! I wonder what the DR woman is like, given Sollecito's history.
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Kelsey:

The final straw came when Sollecito revealed he had already asked Knox – who was a flat-mate of Meredith, from Coulsdon, Surrey, in Perugia – to marry him. Kelsey decided then it was foolish to go ahead with the wedding.

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For me, the most telling moment is when she asks him why he hasn't contacted her and he explains he was "down". When she keeps asking what it is that troubles him, he lets her know that the plan he had concocted will not work like he had hoped and that he just found out that marrying her will not protect him from Italian justice.

She reacts shocked that this is the only reason he considered marriage, but apparently he thinks he deserves some sympathy here.

So basically, he expects her to be supportive because he's frustrated finding out she won't be useful to him. How nice is that? How sensitive.


Sollecito is obviously very troubled about his predicament. His sole objective seems to be to figure out how to avoid the consequences of a guilty verdict. Kelsey asks him to tell her what's going on with the case, but she seems to have no interest in comprehending the tremendous stress he feels. I think it was a plan, from the beginning, to sell the story. I think that her feigned interest in what's happening in his private life is to get the inside scoop about his plans related to the trial.

Knox and Sollecito both expect that people from the US will pamper them, as that is what they've experienced since the day of the murder. Kelsey, a single mother that works six days a week, said that she wants to give him money to help him escape justice. She said all the right things to lure him in. He pounced, thinking that breaking the law again, with a fake marriage, would solve his problems. I don't believe for a moment that Kelsey ever believed that a marriage proposal, after knowing someone only a couple of days, was anything but a business contract, yet she acts like a jilted woman. If she truly believed that marrying a stranger was a good idea, she would have gone to the hotel to see him. As I see it, she didn't show up, so she broke it off. He left the country, and more or less terminated the contact. Then we see the yoyo string come out, where she pleads with him to respond, claims that she's in the hospital dying, and he responds. Then she brings up marriage again. When he tells her that he doesn't really know her and is upset that she stood him up, she keeps tugging at the yoyo string. When she realizes that she's been dumped and he's moved on, well, the rest is history. She collected her big fat cheque from the tabloid and she's had her 15 minutes of fame. I would steer clear of a woman like that. Sollecito sure knows how to pick them! I wonder what the DR woman is like, given Sollecito's history.



If I am not reading the reports incorrectly, you have understood a couple of things incorrectly.

She did not know he was into marrying her.
And when he made that clear, she was shocked, since she knew what his plan was with Knox, at that point she backed away.
She empathised with him, because she had taken the blame for her ex, for something to do with theft.
She received community service.
This according to her.

Will need to know more facts in order to fully understand it though, until then, I am not condemning her for bad behaviour.
I can imagine her relating to him in some strange way if she did tell the police the truth at least, and still ended up with a record.
That would be why she felt bad and related to him, at that level.

I may be entirely wrong with my view thus far, and if I am I will admit it.

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guermantes wrote:
A bit more detail in The Mirror:

Meredith Kercher suspect Rafaelle Sollecito proposed TWICE to two different girls to avoid facing trial

The 22-year-old had read his book Honor Bound and empathised with him after she had been wrongly convicted of a crime. She had taken the blame for a theft to keep her then boyfriend out of prison and was handed community service by a judge.

She did a net search for Sollecito and found his website appealing for help to raise cash for his retrial legal fees. She left a message and a donation on June 10 last year. He replied immediately – and began quizzing her about her personal life.
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Later he arranged to meet her for dinner saying he wanted to get to know her better. But as they ate Sollecito “flipped” after Kelsey told him about her brush with the law.

He wrongly thought it would prevent them from marrying. He called his lawyer from the table who assured him it would not. Kelsey said: “I felt intimidated. He had been yelling at me. I was at the point where I was like, ‘This is nuts. What am I doing here?’ I was confused.”


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Sounds like the girl has a history of helping guys in trouble with the law.


I'm pretty sure that this woman doesn't do anything unless there's something in it for her. She knew when they ate dinner together that he was unstable, but apparently that didn't matter, as she then went on to discuss marriage with him. When their four day relationship is clearly over, she discovers that he's seeing someone else, and all of a sudden she is angry that the marriage is off. She accuses him of seeing another woman while they're engaged even though she stood him up, he left the country and started seeing another woman after there was little contact between them. She's nuts.
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Not into handing this to Knox's supporters on a plate by criticising her so much, not until it is clear what is really what.
If it is true she is a faker then she will be deserving of being cast as a moneymaker, a scam artist. Something she accuses him of being, and when listening to her and reading their exchange, her accusing him of such a thing is something that felt genuine.

Who knows though, maybe being into such awful things does attract people with exactly the same lack of quality.

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zorba wrote:
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For me, the most telling moment is when she asks him why he hasn't contacted her and he explains he was "down". When she keeps asking what it is that troubles him, he lets her know that the plan he had concocted will not work like he had hoped and that he just found out that marrying her will not protect him from Italian justice.

She reacts shocked that this is the only reason he considered marriage, but apparently he thinks he deserves some sympathy here.

So basically, he expects her to be supportive because he's frustrated finding out she won't be useful to him. How nice is that? How sensitive.


Sollecito is obviously very troubled about his predicament. His sole objective seems to be to figure out how to avoid the consequences of a guilty verdict. Kelsey asks him to tell her what's going on with the case, but she seems to have no interest in comprehending the tremendous stress he feels. I think it was a plan, from the beginning, to sell the story. I think that her feigned interest in what's happening in his private life is to get the inside scoop about his plans related to the trial.

Knox and Sollecito both expect that people from the US will pamper them, as that is what they've experienced since the day of the murder. Kelsey, a single mother that works six days a week, said that she wants to give him money to help him escape justice. She said all the right things to lure him in. He pounced, thinking that breaking the law again, with a fake marriage, would solve his problems. I don't believe for a moment that Kelsey ever believed that a marriage proposal, after knowing someone only a couple of days, was anything but a business contract, yet she acts like a jilted woman. If she truly believed that marrying a stranger was a good idea, she would have gone to the hotel to see him. As I see it, she didn't show up, so she broke it off. He left the country, and more or less terminated the contact. Then we see the yoyo string come out, where she pleads with him to respond, claims that she's in the hospital dying, and he responds. Then she brings up marriage again. When he tells her that he doesn't really know her and is upset that she stood him up, she keeps tugging at the yoyo string. When she realizes that she's been dumped and he's moved on, well, the rest is history. She collected her big fat cheque from the tabloid and she's had her 15 minutes of fame. I would steer clear of a woman like that. Sollecito sure knows how to pick them! I wonder what the DR woman is like, given Sollecito's history.



If I am not reading the reports incorrectly, you have understood a couple of things incorrectly.

She did not know he was into marrying her.
And when he made that clear, she was shocked, since she knew what his plan was with Knox, at that point she backed away.
She empathised with him, because she had taken the blame for her ex, for something to do with theft.
She received community service.
This according to her.

Will need to know more facts in order to fully understand it though, until then, I am not condemning her for bad behaviour.
I can imagine her relating to him in some strange way if she did tell the police the truth at least, and still ended up with a record.
That would be why she felt bad and related to him, at that level.

I may be entirely wrong with my view thus far, and if I am I will admit it.


It's true that I could not read all of the nonsense between the two, as it became clear to me as I read the texts that she was attempting to guilt trip him for starting a relationship with another woman in another country after she stood him up at the hotel. I can't believe that she was jealous and angry when she learned that he also proposed to Knox. How could she be jealous when she hardly knew Sollecito. This woman is not young and naive, in my opinion. She is calculating, ruthless, and she's clawing her way through life.
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zorba wrote:
Not into handing this to Knox's supporters on a plate by criticising her so much, not until it is clear what is really what.
If it is true she is a faker then she will be deserving of being cast as a moneymaker, a scam artist. Something she accuses him of being, and when listening to her and reading their exchange, her accusing him of such a thing is something that felt genuine.

Who knows though, maybe being into such awful things does attract people with exactly the same lack of quality.


It reminded me of the Laci Peterson case - murder of a pregnant wife by the husband. He had a girlfriend, Amber Frey, on the side. Amber went to police when she realized that her boyfriend's wife was missing. Through taped phone calls, she did everything she could to get him to spill something incriminating. Kelsey's tone reminds me of Amber Frey's tone. I suspect that at the time Kelsey contacted Sollecito around Christmas, she already knew what she was going to do with all the texts and communcations she'd been carefully saving.

I know a female lawyer that was having an affair with a lawyer that was married to a judge. She was worried that it would blow up in her face - that she would be ostracized by the legal community, so she was carefully recording phone conversations so that she could throw it at him if things went South. She was going to manipulate the information to make it appear that she was the innocent victim who was pursued by him. It looks like that is exactly what Kelsey has done.
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Follow the links on this article:
http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/break ... void-jail/

See her 'modelling' site, the facebook page under a different name etc.

The woman is nuts and she suckered Raffie totally.
They suit each other - he got what he deserved........

You are totally correct, Jester.
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Looking at her facebook stuff, I see she mostly has guys commenting to hr but then THIS (not about Sollecito):



Ina Bocook Sams Thank you, Beautiful Lady , for what you are doing for my Great Grandson Maxx!
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Kelsey Kay You are so very welcome Ina I pray for him every day and won't stop trying to help till justice is his
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

And then there is this comment:

Stephanie Meade

6:20 PM on 22/1/2014


I'm from Spokane, Washington and worked at the golf course in Couer D'Alene for several years where I met Kelsey. One day she told me she had a terminal illness and I told her I'd do anything to help her out. She was crying and needed money to pay for life saving treatment. Then I found out it wasn't true. To this day I don't know why she told me that. I'm glad I live far away from her...she actually scared me, and I still think about her child with concern.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:03 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Gonna sleep on this, I expect to people in America it is easier to see faster who is who.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:04 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

jaybee51 wrote:
Follow the links on this article:
http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/break ... void-jail/

See her 'modelling' site, the facebook page under a different name etc.

The woman is nuts and she suckered Raffie totally.
They suit each other - he got what he deserved........

You are totally correct, Jester.


That's what I was expecting. They deserve each other. Sollecito has a type of woman that he's attracted to. Knox is his type, and this Kelsey woman is the same type. I think she puts her money into modifying her body, that she is hoping to attract a big spender. She's looking for easy street. She is as vindictive as Knox when she feels rejected.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:05 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Whether the Meade comment is genuine, seeing as how it was just made, is another matter for investigation.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

jaybee51 wrote:
Follow the links on this article:
http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/break ... void-jail/

See her 'modelling' site, the facebook page under a different name etc.

The woman is nuts and she suckered Raffie totally.
They suit each other - he got what he deserved........

You are totally correct, Jester.


Thanks for the links, jaybee51! A wannabe model, eh? That explains a lot.
Doesn't excuse Raffa's manipulative behavior though. Poor Raffa, fell flat on his face, again.
Things are starting to unravel fast and furious. He is toast in more than one sense.
I hope Italian press picks up on this story; RS's chums at Oggi, as you say, Zorba,
should get busy and bring it to Italian readers.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

jaybee51 wrote:
And then there is this comment:

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6:20 PM on 22/1/2014


I'm from Spokane, Washington and worked at the golf course in Couer D'Alene for several years where I met Kelsey. One day she told me she had a terminal illness and I told her I'd do anything to help her out. She was crying and needed money to pay for life saving treatment. Then I found out it wasn't true. To this day I don't know why she told me that. I'm glad I live far away from her...she actually scared me, and I still think about her child with concern.


That one is good! Sollecito has met his match!

Anyway, even if she is a gold digger, his supporters did suggest on Bruce Fischer's forum "Injustice In Perugia" he should move to the US and settle down with an American woman for the purpose of getting first a visa and then citizenship. For some reason they also thought he might be eligible for political asylum.

He followed their advice but asked the wrong woma/en.

There is not one stupid thing this man hasn't done yet. On the other hand, every time I say that, he surprises us with the next scandal, more sensational than the last.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:14 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
jaybee51 wrote:
Follow the links on this article:
http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/break ... void-jail/

See her 'modelling' site, the facebook page under a different name etc.

The woman is nuts and she suckered Raffie totally.
They suit each other - he got what he deserved........

You are totally correct, Jester.


Thanks for the links, jaybee51! A wannabe model, eh? That explains a lot.
Doesn't excuse Raffa's manipulative behavior though. Poor Raffa, fell flat on his face, again.
Things are starting to unravel fast and furious. He is toast in more that one sense.
I hope Italian press picks up on this story; RS's chums at Oggi, as you say, Zorba,
should get busy and bring it to Italian readers.


Yes, she good or bad, doesn't matter, as far as his own reign of rot goes, and yes, I do think the Italian authorities need to know, I think they will pick up on it.

If he had simply set out for Russia, he could have had his choice of brides and had all of the Russian pork salad he liked, pork for porkers.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:19 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

jaybee51 wrote:
And then there is this comment:

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6:20 PM on 22/1/2014


I'm from Spokane, Washington and worked at the golf course in Couer D'Alene for several years where I met Kelsey. One day she told me she had a terminal illness and I told her I'd do anything to help her out. She was crying and needed money to pay for life saving treatment. Then I found out it wasn't true. To this day I don't know why she told me that. I'm glad I live far away from her...she actually scared me, and I still think about her child with concern.


The business about dying, sepsis, kidney, surgery, all in five days over Christmas, but still busy berating Sollecito (a man she barely knows) for not paying attention to her, didn't sound right. I'd say she has a history of inserting herself into other people's misery. Perhaps she's a spectator of other people's pain, much in the same way that Knox is with her sick pranks. She also seems to have significant emotional need, pretending to need sympathy for surgery or fatal illness, perhaps acting out what she sees in others that do have illness and loss in their lives. She seems to be very comfortable with playing the victim.
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guermantes wrote:
Thanks for the links, jaybee51! A wannabe model, eh? That explains a lot.
Doesn't excuse Raffa's manipulative behavior though. Poor Raffa, fell flat on his face, again.
Things are starting to unravel fast and furious. He is toast in more that one sense.
I hope Italian press picks up on this story; RS's chums at Oggi, as you say, Zorba,
should get busy and bring it to Italian readers.


Raffaele Sollecito is a hopeless case. I begin to understand why his father called him so many times a day, which is very unusual considering his advanced age. He must have known that his son is somehow unfit for life with a tendency to run into trouble.
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jaybee51 wrote:
And then there is this comment:

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6:20 PM on 22/1/2014


I'm from Spokane, Washington and worked at the golf course in Couer D'Alene for several years where I met Kelsey. One day she told me she had a terminal illness and I told her I'd do anything to help her out. She was crying and needed money to pay for life saving treatment. Then I found out it wasn't true. To this day I don't know why she told me that. I'm glad I live far away from her...she actually scared me, and I still think about her child with concern.


The business about dying, sepsis, kidney, surgery, all in five days over Christmas, but still busy berating Sollecito (a man she barely knows) for not paying attention to her, didn't sound right. I'd say she has a history of inserting herself into other people's misery. Perhaps she's a spectator of other people's pain, much in the same way that Knox is with her sick pranks. She also seems to have significant emotional need, pretending to need sympathy for surgery or fatal illness, perhaps acting out what she sees in others that do have illness and loss in their lives. She seems to be very comfortable with playing the victim.


Your comment is spot on. Another person to stay away from. She is just as idiotic as the ones she associates herself with, given that this information is just a click away.

Raffaele Sollecito is not a victim though.

I also have to wonder, what does she stand to gain by associating herself to a murderer on the run, let alone marrying him?

She must have been disappointed when she found out the pre-nuptial contract stated she had to pay him if she was to divorce him. Concerning marriage of convenience, usually it is the one who offers to marry in exchange for a visa is the one who gets paid, not the other way around.
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Nell wrote:
Jester wrote:
jaybee51 wrote:
And then there is this comment:

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6:20 PM on 22/1/2014


I'm from Spokane, Washington and worked at the golf course in Couer D'Alene for several years where I met Kelsey. One day she told me she had a terminal illness and I told her I'd do anything to help her out. She was crying and needed money to pay for life saving treatment. Then I found out it wasn't true. To this day I don't know why she told me that. I'm glad I live far away from her...she actually scared me, and I still think about her child with concern.


The business about dying, sepsis, kidney, surgery, all in five days over Christmas, but still busy berating Sollecito (a man she barely knows) for not paying attention to her, didn't sound right. I'd say she has a history of inserting herself into other people's misery. Perhaps she's a spectator of other people's pain, much in the same way that Knox is with her sick pranks. She also seems to have significant emotional need, pretending to need sympathy for surgery or fatal illness, perhaps acting out what she sees in others that do have illness and loss in their lives. She seems to be very comfortable with playing the victim.


Your comment is spot on. Another person to stay away from. She is just as idiotic as the ones she associates herself with, given that this information is just a click away.

Raffaele Sollecito is not a victim though.

I also have to wonder, what does she stand to gain by associating herself to a murderer on the run, let alone marrying him?

She must have been disappointed when she found out the pre-nuptial contract stated she had to pay him if she was to divorce him. Concerning marriage of convenience, usually it is the one who offers to marry in exchange for a visa is the one who gets paid, not the other way around.


There's probably more to the story in terms of the contract. Perhaps she was guaranteed a financial gift, but if she broke the contract with divorce before he secured citizenship, then she had to repay all or a portion of that gift. Perhaps that's where the $20k comes from. There must be a reason that the contract is not part of her attention seeking stunt.

I think she sees Sollecito as an international celebrity and famous author with a bottomless bank account. She was probably dreaming of a life in exotic places.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:25 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I just want to say, I'm not going to be so quick to jump and believe this message that all of a sudden appeared on her Facebook page. I'm bearing in mind, that Knox and Sollecito both have very expensive PR teams as well as a whole bunch of supporters that have had a complete humanity and ethics bypass. When her story broke, does anyone think they were going to do nothing? The sirens would have been sounding in Knox/Sollecito PR HQ and they will have quickly responded. Their MO is to smear anyone and anything that is contrary to their agenda. Until we know that that isn't the case here we should be cautious and not immediately leap to the conclusion that this girl was a golddigger out to entrap Sollecito. By all means, approach these events with a skeptical eye, but let's not carve our conclusions in stone just yet. The story has only just broken and it looks like there's more to come.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Did Raffaele Sollecito PROPOSE to Amanda Knox in bid to get US citizenship and flee possible prison in Italy?

* Sollecito reportedly made the desperate plea last March, six years after they were both tried in Italian court for the 2007 murder of Knox's roommate Meredith Kercher
* It was a last ditch attempt to avoid serving more jail time in Italy, his ex-girlfriend, Kelsey Kay, claims
* The couple, who split years ago, are awaiting potential new convictions in a retrial of their case, after their previous murder convictions were overturned in 2011
* While Knox plans to be a 'fugitive' and remain in the U.S. if re-convicted, Sollecito could face a lengthy prison term because he's an Italian citizen
* According to Kay, Knox, who is in another committed relationship, has declined the offer

By Amanda Williams and Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED: 01:12, 23 January 2014 | UPDATED: 01:31, 23 January 2014



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The Mirror has a lot more detail than the Daily Mail.

If you're not sure of the veracity of all this Michael, is it not a little premature to quote Kelsey in your signature?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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The Mirror has a lot more detail than the Daily Mail.

If you're not sure of the veracity of all this Michael, is it not a little premature to quote Kelsey in your signature?


No, because without a doubt she said it to him, they are her words. And it is also very clear that Sollecito wanted to marry her for a visa (well, greencard actually) just like she said. It doesn't matter what her motivations were or were not, they do not take away from the fact that Sollecito has extremely cynically been trying to avoid justice and in a way that is very callous. And at this point I'm struggling to see her as a golddigger. I mean, what "gold" does Sollecito have left to dig? In fact, she paid HIM money.

ETA: And just to add, Kelsey has supplied screens of her messaging with Raffaele to support the veracity of what she says happened. The poster on her Facebook page has not. It's just an isolated post on her wall making a claim with no evidence supporting it. A "just take my word for it" post. How many of those have we seen in the lifetime of this case?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:40 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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There's probably more to the story in terms of the contract. Perhaps she was guaranteed a financial gift, but if she broke the contract with divorce before he secured citizenship, then she had to repay all or a portion of that gift. Perhaps that's where the $20k comes from. There must be a reason that the contract is not part of her attention seeking stunt.

I think she sees Sollecito as an international celebrity and famous author with a bottomless bank account. She was probably dreaming of a life in exotic places.


If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.

Zorba and Michael's comment regarding the recent comment on Kelsey Kay's Facebook page seems sensible to me regarding the media PR campaign. If the comment had been older, the problem of credibility wouldn't arise.

We should not forget that Raffaele Sollecito was contacted by Radar Online before publication and asked to comment. He was warned that this was about to break. The text messages are genuine, his intentions are clear and her motive is just a sideshow for me.

If she was promised money in exchange for a marriage to obtain a visa, then her anger was probably real and that could be the motive for exposing him (and also because it was her only opportunity to make money out of it - if she was paid at all).

Be it as it may, she admits to have contacted him first, but he is clearly the one who initiates the flirting and he was very direct and unromantic.

On IIP they are warning next time he goes bride-shopping, he has to be more careful who he shares his information with! I am not joking.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:50 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I think the 30th is going to be a very interesting day.

Seeing that Sollecito has planned his escape so much in advance, I expect some drama when the verdict comes in.

I won't be surprised if he is stopped at the airport in an attempt to leave the country before the verdict comes in.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:52 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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There must be a reason that the contract is not part of her attention seeking stunt.


Well, I doubt very much he actually gave her a copy, more likely just let her read through it or told her the main points it contained. That's why he brought her the document in person instead of simply emailing it to her as soon as it was ready, so he could keep hold of it. The only way he'd have let her keep a copy is if she signed it. Unless he's even more stupid then I thought. The lawyer that drew it up for him would have advised him of this.

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On IIP they are warning next time he goes bride-shopping, he has to be more careful who he shares his information with! I am not joking.


Unbelievable!!!

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If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.


Well, call me stupid but...she says first of all she read his book, then she went to his Facebook page and that linked her to his GoFundMe page where she made him a donation and sent him a contact message...well, most people have a GoFundMe page because they're broke and Sollecito announces there (as well as on his Facebook) that he is indeed broke. That's hardly a lure for a "Golddigger", is it???

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There must be a reason that the contract is not part of her attention seeking stunt.


Well, I doubt very much he actually gave her a copy, more likely just let her read through it or told her the main points it contained. That's why he brought her the document in person instead of simply emailing it to her as soon as it was ready, so he could keep hold of it. The only way he'd have let her keep a copy is if she signed it. Unless he's even more stupid then I thought. The lawyer that drew it up for him would have advised him of this.


A sham marriage is a federal crime and it is punished with up to five years in prison and fines up to $250,000 for the person who offers to marry to provide the partner with a greencard.

The immigrant will be deported immediately and is banned permanently for any future visa.

So no matter if she has a copy of the contract or not, we will never going to get a copy from her for obvious reasons.
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Nell wrote:
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There must be a reason that the contract is not part of her attention seeking stunt.


Well, I doubt very much he actually gave her a copy, more likely just let her read through it or told her the main points it contained. That's why he brought her the document in person instead of simply emailing it to her as soon as it was ready, so he could keep hold of it. The only way he'd have let her keep a copy is if she signed it. Unless he's even more stupid then I thought. The lawyer that drew it up for him would have advised him of this.


A sham marriage is a federal crime and it is punished with up to five years in prison and fines up to $250,000 for the person who offers to marry to provide the partner with a greencard.

The immigrant will be deported immediately and is banned permanently for any future visa.

So no matter if she has a copy of the contract or not, we will never going to get a copy from her for obvious reasons.



Perhaps then, US immigration should be contacted with this story.

It's also another reason why Sollecito wouldn't have let her keep an unsigned copy.

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Michael wrote:
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If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.


Well, call me stupid but...she says first of all she read his book, then she went to his Facebook page and that linked her to his GoFundMe page where she made him a donation and sent him a contact message...well, most people have a GoFundMe page because they're broke and Sollecito announces there (as well as on his Facebook) that he is indeed broke. That's hardly a lure for a "Golddigger", is it???



Good point Michael.

She also has a job and since she's a model she will have that additional income now and then, maybe, anyhow I did see her model page, looks professional.

She didn't appear to be living in a dive, I do not think she was gold-digging.

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Michael wrote:
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There must be a reason that the contract is not part of her attention seeking stunt.


Well, I doubt very much he actually gave her a copy, more likely just let her read through it or told her the main points it contained. That's why he brought her the document in person instead of simply emailing it to her as soon as it was ready, so he could keep hold of it. The only way he'd have let her keep a copy is if she signed it. Unless he's even more stupid then I thought. The lawyer that drew it up for him would have advised him of this.




When she freaked he said it could be modified, which made her even more mad.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
I think the 30th is going to be a very interesting day.

Seeing that Sollecito has planned his escape so much in advance, I expect some drama when the verdict comes in.

I won't be surprised if he is stopped at the airport in an attempt to leave the country before the verdict comes in.


I wouldn't be surprised if the border police have been informed to watch out for him, because if he wwre to leave now, it could only mean ome thing and surely Italy would have the power to stop him running, rthere areaa kyriad of possible offences that can serve as grounds for detaining him.

This shit has gone on far too long, sitting watching these killers make a mockery of everything & everyone.

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zorba wrote:
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If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.


Well, call me stupid but...she says first of all she read his book, then she went to his Facebook page and that linked her to his GoFundMe page where she made him a donation and sent him a contact message...well, most people have a GoFundMe page because they're broke and Sollecito announces there (as well as on his Facebook) that he is indeed broke. That's hardly a lure for a "Golddigger", is it???



Good point Michael.

She also has a job and since she's a model she will have that additional income now and then, maybe, anyhow I did see her model page, looks professional.

She didn't appear to be living in a dive, I do not think she was gold-digging.


If she was a golddigger there are plenty of celebs she could have gone after instead, ones not facing life in prison in a foreign country and having what few assets they have frozen. She's young, articulate and pretty. Plenty would go for her. And if Golddigging is her game, then she'll have a past history that would have left a footprint on the web, her chasing various people. If that exists, the FOAKers and Marriott's and John Q Kelly's people would have dug it up hours ago.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:49 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Also, we learn, Sollecito has a bank account in the US. I think the Italian authorities will need to know about that.

I'd also like to know how he got that account. Who acted as guarantor for him?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:57 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Michael wrote:
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If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.


Well, call me stupid but...she says first of all she read his book, then she went to his Facebook page and that linked her to his GoFundMe page where she made him a donation and sent him a contact message...well, most people have a GoFundMe page because they're broke and Sollecito announces there (as well as on his Facebook) that he is indeed broke. That's hardly a lure for a "Golddigger", is it???


Following the money trail is always interesting ...

Bruce Fischer on his forum "Injustice In Perugia" allows his members to vilify the Kerchers who, according to him, persecute Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito for money, because they are greedy.

At the same time you hear Amanda Knox claiming on national television she is broke again right after receiving her advance of $4,000,000 because, according to her, she quickly repaid unspecified debts - probably inexistent - to her mom. Now she is left with so many unpaid bills, like her lawyer fees, consultants, the money awarded to Lumumba and his lawyer fees, I am not sure if she owes the landlady as well, that her financial future is "uncertain".

Sollecito accepts donations while he travels the world. Even inside the US he didn't stay with his immediate family, like a humble man, instead he went bride-shopping, hopping on the plane to have a quick look at a candidate.

Despite accepting money from hard working people, his first priority is not to save money, instead he follows quite a lavish lifestyle.

While his father claims his son is unemployable, his son texts complete strangers something about his business in the Dominican Republic. Is it even legal to work and have a business for a man who is not a permanent resident there? In many countries it is forbidden.

I doubt he declares the donations he receives, as Sollecito stated publicly on Twitter the donations were linked to a "dedicated" account to hide the funds from authorities. Whatever that's supposed to mean. He probably has it linked to an American bank account linked to one of his family members living there.


I also note that the $20,000 Kelsey Kay was supposed to pay back in case she filed for divorce before he could obtain citizenship, is close to the amount he received in donations (a bit over $28,000). Just a coincidence?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:06 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Also, we learn, Sollecito has a bank account in the US. I think the Italian authorities will need to know about that.

I'd also like to know how he got that account. Who acted as guarantor for him?


I do not know if you can have a bank account in the US if you are not a permanent resident or some status superior to a tourist.

In any case, if the account was on his name, the funds could be seized. He assured the funds were shielded for the worst case scenario and having learned he has family in the US, his donations might just be linked to one of their accounts.
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We should not forget that Raffaele Sollecito was contacted by Radar Online before publication and asked to comment. He was warned that this was about to break. The text messages are genuine, his intentions are clear and her motive is just a sideshow for me.


And by default, so were the Knox/Sollecito PR machine alerted in advance...giving them the opportunity to devise a preliminary strategy.

And as for Kelsey's motivation being a sideshow, I couldn't agree more. Kelsey didn't make Raffaele ask to fly out and meet her the first time they spoke online, Raffaele did that off his own back. She didn't make him take the flight, he chose to take it (with other peoples money I might add). She didn't make him propose the idea of marriage when they first spoke online. She didn't make him go and write up a pre-nuptial agreement (with ridiculous demands) and ask her to sign it on only the second day they met.

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I do not know if you can have a bank account in the US if you are not a permanent resident or some status superior to a tourist.


Yep, so something very dodgy has been going on with that.

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While his father claims his son is unemployable, his son texts complete strangers something about his business in the Dominican Republic. Is it even legal to work and have a business for a man who is not a permanent resident there? In many countries it is forbidden.


This is also something that definitely needs looking into.

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In fact, if Kelsey had of married Raffaele and then he was convicted, he owes millions to the Kercher's in compensation and would also owe vast amounts in fines and court fees. As his wife, Kelsey could have seen the Italians going after not only his assets, but also hers!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:51 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The news is spreading in Italy as well: Raffaele Sollecito voleva sposare una statunitense per sfuggire al carcere

Thanks for Sallyoo who posted the link on .org.
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Michael wrote:
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Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.


Well, call me stupid but...she says first of all she read his book, then she went to his Facebook page and that linked her to his GoFundMe page where she made him a donation and sent him a contact message...well, most people have a GoFundMe page because they're broke and Sollecito announces there (as well as on his Facebook) that he is indeed broke. That's hardly a lure for a "Golddigger", is it???



Good point Michael.

She also has a job and since she's a model she will have that additional income now and then, maybe, anyhow I did see her model page, looks professional.

She didn't appear to be living in a dive, I do not think she was gold-digging.


If she was a golddigger there are plenty of celebs she could have gone after instead, ones not facing life in prison in a foreign country and having what few assets they have frozen. She's young, articulate and pretty. Plenty would go for her. And if Golddigging is her game, then she'll have a past history that would have left a footprint on the web, her chasing various people. If that exists, the FOAKers and Marriott's and John Q Kelly's people would have dug it up hours ago.



Yes and Idaho, well what with the Idaho project, who knows what kind of influence it has there, maybe more than elsewhere, and I posted a comment yesterday from Kelsey's Facebook page, it was from someone, female, not as young as Kelsey, thanking Kelsey for what she was doing for the lady's great grandson.

And Kelsey responded by saying she was praying for him and would continue to do what she can until he sees justice.

So it seems to me that Kelsey has become involved, somehow, in being one of these who goes against what she --along with others like those in the Idaho thing-- believes is an injustice.

Kelsey must have heard about Sollecito through the Idaho Project, it seems that it is highly likely, something like this, it seems to fit, she did say she would pray for Sollecito too.
I do not think she does all of that praying because she wants to get rich or famous.

Angry she definitely genuinely is and was.

She was then more open and susceptible to the wrongs Sollecito could pose by her getting to know him, since she seems to believe in the cause of fighting injustice.
That set the right grounds for him to be able to commit fraud against her, it's obvious shew believed he really did like her and she was going to be perhaps prepared to marry him, but she would have done it because she believed he really was uinto her, with the knowledge he was into her, she would have been prepared to do it, to help him, but it seems clear she would not have married him just to help him if he did no care for her, as in, be truly into hr, really like her, care about her.

Given the Idaho Project is something in her region I think it was easier for Sollecito to get to her, because she had preconcieved ideas and wanted him to confirm that, confirm that all of the things she thought about him being some poor abused guy were true, but when he did what he did she was genuinely shocked to find out that he was not at all who she had imagined him to be.

I think she may even change her tune about believing in his innocence.


The comment by the person called Meade, I do not believe it, it is one of those typical Fischer posts, designed to be truly mean, like mentioning the fact that she is a mother and then trying to scaremonger and raise concern about the safety of her child.
That is really mean.

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How long must I be married to an American in order to gain American citizenship?


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Marriage to a US Citizen

If you marry a US Citizen you are eligible to apply immediately for Permanent Residency (green card), unless you have had a J-1 visa with a two-year home residency requirement which has not been fulfilled or waived. There are several issues related to travel and timing of an application which need to be considered carefully. The information following may be used to understand the general process, but does not constitute legal advice.

Do I get to be a permanent resident just by marrying an American?

A: No, you must file an application with USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, formerly the INS) including an affidavit of support, certified medical examination, and other documentation as outlined in the instruction sheet attached.

Can I apply before we get married?

A: No, USCIS needs proof that you are married. You can, however, prepare your application prior to marriage.

What is a fiancé(e) visa?

A: A visa that allows a fiancé(e) outside the United States to enter the US in order to get married. The US citizen fiancé(e) has to file a petition with the USCIS in the US. The approved petition will be forwarded to the Consulate, which will contact the applicant and eventually schedule an interview. Processing will probably take 4–6 months before the fiancé(e) visa is issued.

My fiancé is American, but he doesn’t have a US passport, only a green card.

A: If your fiancé has a green card, he is not a citizen but a permanent resident. He can petition for you to become a permanent resident, but because of the quota there is a long wait before you can even apply for the green card. The wait is currently 5 years.

If my permanent resident fiancé applies for me once we’re married, can I stay in the US?

A: Not unless you have a valid non-immigrant visa throughout the waiting period (about 5 years!)

Can I work while waiting to get my green card?

A: When you apply for permanent residency (I-485, affidavit, medical exam, photos, etc.), you can also request work authorization to cover employment while your application is being processed.
If you marry a permanent resident and are not able to file for the green card yet, you can work only if you have a valid non-immigrant visa which allows you to work.

Once I’ve filed the application with USCIS how long does it take?

A: It varies at different USCIS offices and can take anywhere from six months to two years. You should check with the office where you will be filing.

After the interview, do I get my green card?

A: Your laminated “Permanent Resident” green card will be sent to you shortly after your interview unless for reason further documentation is needed. If you need immediate confirmation of your new status before receiving the card, you can request a stamp in your passport evidencing your PR.

I’ve heard that both my spouse and I have to be interviewed; is that true? What will Immigration ask us?

A: Yes, both husband and wife will be interviewed. The purpose of the interview is to determine that the marriage was entered into in good faith and that all immigration forms have been correctly completed.

I’ve heard that the green card is only temporary—is that true?

A: Yes, because marriage is a relatively easy route to permanent residency, there is a second check on the marriage after 2 years. USCIS will grant conditional permanent residency for 2 years, after which you’ll need to file another form to get an unconditional green card. (If you’ve already been married 2 years by the time you are interviewed, the green card will be permanent.)

If I become a permanent resident, do I have to give up my passport?

A: No. A permanent resident is not a citizen. Your citizenship doesn’t change. In fact, you can only apply to become a US citizen after having a green card and being married to a US citizen for 3 years.


What are the benefits of permanent residency?

A: You may become eligible for in-state tuition at a state university at a later date, will qualify for most student financial aid, do not have to be a full-time student, will not have restrictions on working, and can return to the US freely after short trips abroad.

What are the conditions of permanent residency?

A: You must not leave the US for more than 365 consecutive days without advance permission.

If you’re planning to be abroad for extended periods of time you risk losing your permanent residency.
You will not qualify for some types of Federal Aid such as Food Stamps.

What forms do I need, and where can I get them?

A: See the instruction page.

I understand USCIS will ask my spouse to show she will always support me. What is that regulation?

A: With the passage of the immigration law of 1996, there are quite specific financial requirements for people applying for the green card based on marriage. You must show income of at least 125% of the federal poverty guidelines. For a family of two in 2009, that amount was $18,212/year.

For more detailed information see for I-864 at the USCIS website.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Seems clear it was Sollecito who was completely up on the facts about American citizenship.

A green card alone would never be enough, a green card is conditional, even if you stay away more than a year you lose the rights it brings.
In a way you have to earn your rights to life in America, as a resisent you are allowed to work, study, but you cannot have all of that and rthen just start leaving andcoming back when you wish, tyou have to have been married or 3 years.

That does not mean that you will be able to apply successfully, if you divorce your kind wife exactly on the date, or around the date the 3 years is up/expires, they will make a case saying the only reason you"were'' married was to gain American citizenship and they will not allow it.

So if he was going to invest in pretending to a woman that he was all into her, for that long, he wanted to make sure she was not at liberty to change her mind.

He was not going to be offering her SHIT, no present, what, he who only knows take, take, take, bleed dad dry all his life, no way, he isn't a giver he's a real taker, what he does give is nothing as he has never ever worked for anything.

Give me a bar of chocolate that cost you some time at work, it'll mean more than giving me a diamond ring paid for with money from papa.


About business in the Dominican Republic, I think he may have been muddling things up, certainly since he was in fact messing this girl around, so the business he is on about is the business of making sure he stays out of prison, which means marrying some girl in the DR if that is a way to escape punishment.

He was not placing all of his eggs in one basket, he was exploring all of the potential winning markets, he did not manage to work anything out in the DR, not the way he needs it to be.

I really think he read all of us here talking, even joking about his next move being to South America, the very next thing we knew, there he was. But we are not accountable for him.

Of course he is reading stuff and then he sees us saying things and he is desperate and goes and does it too. It's incredible.

Mr Sollecito, your best bet is to cut the crap and go and hand yourself in.
The way things are going you will not be granted any type of early release.
It's never too late to make some kind of real change.
As a fugitive you yourself will become the prey, that at your own peril.
People will go after you when they know who you are, they will make your life hell, they'll want money from you knowing your father has it, a hell far worse than staying in prison awaits you, you'll wish you were simply in prison.
Go and own up.
Your life is finished if you choose the life of a fugitive, you will not be able to go anywhere, even if you find somewhere to hide, at a certain point you ARE going to get caught and taken back to Italy.
Go to prison and get help for what it is that is wrong with your thinking processes.

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A very Happy Birthday to you, Nell! :)
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Maresca is aware of this latest development.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:12 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Thank you very much Ava!
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Haha. She seems a little insistent to drag fight out as long as possible. She covers the same bases more than once...Nobody likes being lied to...on the other hand she changes her story from sepsis to a kidney surgery. I think they are made for each other..


Have some compassion. You will get it back with interest.

I believe that she made an honest mistake.
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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
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Also, we learn, Sollecito has a bank account in the US. I think the Italian authorities will need to know about that.

I'd also like to know how he got that account. Who acted as guarantor for him?


I do not know if you can have a bank account in the US if you are not a permanent resident or some status superior to a tourist.

In any case, if the account was on his name, the funds could be seized. He assured the funds were shielded for the worst case scenario and having learned he has family in the US, his donations might just be linked to one of their accounts.


Morning All.......

I've been through the Green Card/Citizenship process during the last 6 years, so I have all the answers, I think. Fire away.

As for bank accounts, you have to have a social security number first. If you don't have a right to legal employment in the US I don't think there's a way of getting an SSN. Maybe a friend has opened an account with RS as a co-signatory.
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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.


I think I've seen handsomer ones before ;)
Maybe it's his accent or that to some he might come across a little shy...
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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.


Handsome? Like a Ken doll
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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.


Yeah well a lot of that flirting goes on online and it in no way means there's something wrong with a person.

To me all as I see is the killer, and more, though people, and not just her supporters, say Knox is attractive, I see ugliness, and I never went for the plain Jane's, which she is, anyhow.

This girl Kelsey is attractive, not that she is my type, but girls like that get a lot of attention and lots of girls like that indulge in it, and again, I see nothing wrong with that. When he said you are more than gorgeous I bet he meant yes for you are gorgeous and my ticket to freedom, here let me give you a tender kiss, half raping her by sticking his tongue down her throat in an unexpected way, when he had only just met her. Everything about him makes that all very easy to imagine.

As I have pointed out a couple of times, there is that message from a woman, whose great grandson is also in some kind of trouble and from what is written it is clear Kelsey supported this guy in some way, and it appears in some fight for justice. Since Kelsey is from Idaho it figures that she is more than klikely influenced by the Idaho Innocence Project and has gotten into that, I don't know but it seems there is a great possibility of it. If anywhere, Idaho is going to be the place, the main place where Idaho's innocence project is advertised in some way or another, the place it will be known.
In the phortos of them together there she is looking happy and he is looking twisted and forced.

It is easy to see how she could have been predisposed to him, taking the view that he is innocent, a nice, gentle guy who has been framed. Her shock was that he was totally manipulative and a LIAR.

That was her belief, how she came to that, I reckon has to do with the activities going on that are based in Idaho, around people convicted for things they did not do. In this case then, it would not be a case of nutty woman falling in love with man on death row, etc., or one with a long prison sentence, like ones who even admit guilt and still have certain women falling for them, it would have been that she did think he looked nice and was innocent, so it is then not too much of a stretch to see her saying she thought he was handsome, he started right on into that stuff.

A man on trial for his life, involving something to do with a perversion of sex, in that it is not sex when it is rape, being part of that, yet there he is telling women they're gorgeous, off with the Italian at first, in Italy, arms around her that looked more like he was strangling her, then the Burnin Man stuff, the women in the Dominican Republic: it is him that is way off course, not her, it is him that makes no sense at all, not her.
I cannot see that she has told lies, it is right there to see what happened on the Radar conversation.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:41 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ava wrote:
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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.


I think I've seen handsomer ones before ;)
Maybe it's his accent or that to some he might come across a little shy...


In a couple of years he'll look like Shane MacGowan's twin

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If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.


Well, call me stupid but...she says first of all she read his book, then she went to his Facebook page and that linked her to his GoFundMe page where she made him a donation and sent him a contact message...well, most people have a GoFundMe page because they're broke and Sollecito announces there (as well as on his Facebook) that he is indeed broke. That's hardly a lure for a "Golddigger", is it???



Good point Michael.

She also has a job and since she's a model she will have that additional income now and then, maybe, anyhow I did see her model page, looks professional.

She didn't appear to be living in a dive, I do not think she was gold-digging.


A profile on Model Mayhem doesn't necessarily mean that someone is a model. It means that someone has created a profile and is aspiring to be a model. Women on model mayhem have gone missing in the past and it is both a bit of a pick-up site as well as a site where women advertise themselves as available for all types of photo shoots:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/27 ... ied-alive/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:51 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.


I actually find them both to be a quite homely, but add a couple pairs of sunglasses, and it's better. Freakish, yes, both.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
zorba wrote:
Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.


Well, call me stupid but...she says first of all she read his book, then she went to his Facebook page and that linked her to his GoFundMe page where she made him a donation and sent him a contact message...well, most people have a GoFundMe page because they're broke and Sollecito announces there (as well as on his Facebook) that he is indeed broke. That's hardly a lure for a "Golddigger", is it???



Good point Michael.

She also has a job and since she's a model she will have that additional income now and then, maybe, anyhow I did see her model page, looks professional.

She didn't appear to be living in a dive, I do not think she was gold-digging.


A profile on Model Mayhem doesn't necessarily mean that someone is a model. It means that someone has created a profile and is aspiring to be a model. Women on model mayhem have gone missing in the past and it is both a bit of a pick-up site as well as a site where women advertise themselves as available for all types of photo shoots:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/27 ... ied-alive/


She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


Maybe women have a more sensitive nose for gold-diggers then men do. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

zorba wrote:
Jester wrote:
zorba wrote:
Michael wrote:
Nell wrote:
If she thought he would marry her and she could milk him for money than she is probably not as clever as we thought.


Well, call me stupid but...she says first of all she read his book, then she went to his Facebook page and that linked her to his GoFundMe page where she made him a donation and sent him a contact message...well, most people have a GoFundMe page because they're broke and Sollecito announces there (as well as on his Facebook) that he is indeed broke. That's hardly a lure for a "Golddigger", is it???



Good point Michael.

She also has a job and since she's a model she will have that additional income now and then, maybe, anyhow I did see her model page, looks professional.

She didn't appear to be living in a dive, I do not think she was gold-digging.


A profile on Model Mayhem doesn't necessarily mean that someone is a model. It means that someone has created a profile and is aspiring to be a model. Women on model mayhem have gone missing in the past and it is both a bit of a pick-up site as well as a site where women advertise themselves as available for all types of photo shoots:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/27 ... ied-alive/


She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


The alternative is that she's a wonderful person that was willing to commit a criminal offence by entering into a contract to marry a man whom she knew to be earnestly attempting to avoid the consequences for committing murder. She has a child, so she must have some experience with a traditional marriage. Since the discussion of marriage came up as soon as they met, she must have known that this was not a traditional marriage proposal. Yet, in her tabloid information, I get the impression that she wants people to believe that she was justified in swearing at Sollecito because he had moved on and was seeing another woman. I also get the impression that she wants people to believe that she thought a discussion of marriage with a foreigner whom she had just met meant a traditional marriage.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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zorba wrote:
She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


Maybe women have a more sensitive nose for gold-diggers then men do. ;)


Women may have an advantage in recognizing female behaviour that is underhanded because we may have known women that have discussed calculating, manipulative tactics that they use to get what they want. Additionally, a woman scorned is not a pretty sight. Regardless of how honourable this woman is, I think we can see that she has a vindictive streak. That is, the release of the information seems to have one purpose, and that is to retaliate and inflict harm for a perceived wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:32 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

jaybee51 wrote:
zorba wrote:
She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


Maybe women have a more sensitive nose for gold-diggers then men do. ;)


That could be right, my mother gave a few of my girlfriends the evil eye, then I realised, no, I have no gold, coffee and a doughnut, okay.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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jaybee51 wrote:
zorba wrote:
She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


Maybe women have a more sensitive nose for gold-diggers then men do. ;)


Women may have an advantage in recognizing female behaviour that is underhanded because we may have known women that have discussed calculating, manipulative tactics that they use to get what they want. Additionally, a woman scorned is not a pretty sight. Regardless of how honourable this woman is, I think we can see that she has a vindictive streak. That is, the release of the information seems to have one purpose, and that is to retaliate and inflict harm for a perceived wrong.



Aside from whether or not what you say is right, the wider implication, the one meaningful to this, concerns the facts about Sollecito.

This relay reveals things about him, and that is important.

I'm trying to look into her, but I just don't sense she is all bad or bad.

Writing ''women'' off as gold-diggers is what the tabloids do all the time.

So again, originally it's a man thing aimed at putting women down, by dismissing anything other concerning them: Oh she's just a gold-digger.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

zorba wrote:
Jester wrote:
jaybee51 wrote:
zorba wrote:
She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


Maybe women have a more sensitive nose for gold-diggers then men do. ;)


Women may have an advantage in recognizing female behaviour that is underhanded because we may have known women that have discussed calculating, manipulative tactics that they use to get what they want. Additionally, a woman scorned is not a pretty sight. Regardless of how honourable this woman is, I think we can see that she has a vindictive streak. That is, the release of the information seems to have one purpose, and that is to retaliate and inflict harm for a perceived wrong.



Aside from whether or not what you say is right, the wider implication, the one meaningful to this, are the facts about Sollecito.

This relay reveals things about him, and that is important.

I'm trying to look into her, but I just don't sense she is all bad or bad.

Writing someone off as a gold-digger is what the tabloids do all the time.


I do view her as willing to commit a criminal offence (which people don't usually do unless there's something in it for them), vindictive, and that she has benefited financially from her association with Sollecito. On the other hand, this does reveal that Sollecito is actively attempting to secure work in the Dominican Republic, that he wants to establish residency in a foreign country, and that he is also prepared to marry any woman if it means avoiding facing consequences for murder in Italy. I don't really see this as new information. I seem to recall from months ago, when it was first known that Sollecito was in the DR, that his chances of avoiding extradition were improved if he had residency, a job, owned property, or actually had a life in the DR prior to the conviction.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:18 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
zorba wrote:
Jester wrote:
jaybee51 wrote:
zorba wrote:
She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


Maybe women have a more sensitive nose for gold-diggers then men do. ;)


Women may have an advantage in recognizing female behaviour that is underhanded because we may have known women that have discussed calculating, manipulative tactics that they use to get what they want. Additionally, a woman scorned is not a pretty sight. Regardless of how honourable this woman is, I think we can see that she has a vindictive streak. That is, the release of the information seems to have one purpose, and that is to retaliate and inflict harm for a perceived wrong.



Aside from whether or not what you say is right, the wider implication, the one meaningful to this, are the facts about Sollecito.

This relay reveals things about him, and that is important.

I'm trying to look into her, but I just don't sense she is all bad or bad.

Writing someone off as a gold-digger is what the tabloids do all the time.


I do view her as willing to commit a criminal offence (which people don't usually do unless there's something in it for them), vindictive, and that she has benefited financially from her association with Sollecito. On the other hand, this does reveal that Sollecito is actively attempting to secure work in the Dominican Republic, that he wants to establish residency in a foreign country, and that he is also prepared to marry any woman if it means avoiding facing consequences for murder in Italy. I don't really see this as new information. I seem to recall from months ago, when it was first known that Sollecito was in the DR, that his chances of avoiding extradition were improved if he had residency, a job, owned property, or actually had a life in the DR prior to the conviction.


I don't see that, if you read carefully what she said, she was only going to help him because she believed in him. Believe in him, here means, that she viewed him as being innocent, and thought he was a nice person, I believe that about her.
I think that is different to someone who knows someone is guilty of crime but still wants to help him.
I mean that conversation shows something so rare, unrolling right there, namely, her reactions to his acts, his words. It seems real to me, her reactions and words were not contrived.

I may have missed something though.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
zorba wrote:
Jester wrote:
jaybee51 wrote:
zorba wrote:
She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


Maybe women have a more sensitive nose for gold-diggers then men do. ;)


Women may have an advantage in recognizing female behaviour that is underhanded because we may have known women that have discussed calculating, manipulative tactics that they use to get what they want. Additionally, a woman scorned is not a pretty sight. Regardless of how honourable this woman is, I think we can see that she has a vindictive streak. That is, the release of the information seems to have one purpose, and that is to retaliate and inflict harm for a perceived wrong.



Aside from whether or not what you say is right, the wider implication, the one meaningful to this, are the facts about Sollecito.

This relay reveals things about him, and that is important.

I'm trying to look into her, but I just don't sense she is all bad or bad.

Writing someone off as a gold-digger is what the tabloids do all the time.


I do view her as willing to commit a criminal offence (which people don't usually do unless there's something in it for them), vindictive, and that she has benefited financially from her association with Sollecito. On the other hand, this does reveal that Sollecito is actively attempting to secure work in the Dominican Republic, that he wants to establish residency in a foreign country, and that he is also prepared to marry any woman if it means avoiding facing consequences for murder in Italy. I don't really see this as new information. I seem to recall from months ago, when it was first known that Sollecito was in the DR, that his chances of avoiding extradition were improved if he had residency, a job, owned property, or actually had a life in the DR prior to the conviction.


Can you show the proof of her benefiting from the situation in financial terms?

I am no expert on how those things go but I am guessing you are assuming she was paid by Radar to do what she has.
I'm not sure about that, if they offered her it she'd have been an idiot to refuse it and I hope then her child has a few pennies for her education later. Well done, he was out to rip her and rip her good.

Whatever she has done, without her, nobody would ever have known what Sollecito did with the marriage stuff, so for that, I don't care if she got paid and I thank her for not being afraid of him or his helpers and exposing his awful acts.

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Maybe not so much gold... but more/some attention.
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At least, thanks to this story, we now know how much of an advance Sollecito received for his book. According to The Mirror, it's £600,000. He had always declined to disclose how much he made off his book. And he claims he is broke? All he is is a conman and a fraud. As Nell said, he hops on a plane almost every week.

I have to say, Sollecito has undergone quite a transformation in just a few years, since 2007, from a shy, inexperienced, nerdy "virgin" to a daring "playboy" that kisses and hugs girls on a first date. Five or six years ago, we wouldn't have believed it possible.

A couple more links to a longer article and a photo gallery in Radar Online:

Indecent Proposal: Amanda Knox’s Ex Raffaele Sollecito Offered Marriage Contract To Idaho Woman In Desperate Bid To Avoid More Jail Time

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Raffaele Sollecito’s Intimate Snapshots With Green Card Girlfriend Kelsey Kay

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:35 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Whatever she has done, without her, nobody would ever have known what Sollecito did with the marriage stuff, so for that, I don't care if she got paid and I thank her for not being afraid of him or his helpers and exposing his awful acts.


I completely agree.
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On the other hand, this does reveal that Sollecito is actively attempting to secure work in the Dominican Republic,
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There is no proof he was trying to secure work, his work as far as I can see was first to find someone to marry to start a process that would have, possibly, gained him some assumed entitlements, assumed because he his clutching at straw, since even citizenship would only be somerthing he hoped would place him on a level footing with Knox, as in, if she succeeds in not being extradited then they could hardly allow him to be extradited, in his head, he figured they would not do that as it would be unfair, so it is a desperate attempt to at least try, and it is based on his beliefs about what the PR machine has put out where they are saying Knox will not be extradited

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that he wants to establish residency in a foreign country,


Yes

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and that he is also prepared to marry any woman if it means avoiding facing consequences for murder in Italy.


Yes

Jester wrote:
I don't really see this as new information.


But it IS because just guessing is diferent to having facts on it and it is different, his particular path of behaviour in this way, the forcing, the brutality involved, the ruthlessness, to someione who would get married in a natural way because of really falling for Someone


Jester wrote:
I seem to recall from months ago, when it was first known that Sollecito was in the DR, that his chances of avoiding extradition were improved if he had residency, a job, owned property, or actually had a life in the DR prior to the conviction.


Very loose ideas, since there was nothing on how he would ever manage to do all of that, the basic knowledge on this was the fact that Italy has no treaty with the Dom Rep.

Therefore, once more, I would like to take the opportunity to thank Kelsy whatshername for revealing these facts.
Now there is no room for guessing, no need, now we know, what he has been up to.

I am going to investigate to see if I can find out what she is all about.

If not, I am still glad she was vindictive and upset enough, or whatever it was, that she felt compelled to expose this lying fake, this ruthless murderer, this spoilt brat, this I am infallible twat.

And I seek to try to educate her as to the other facts on him, the ones that showing that his behaviour regarding Meredith's murder, correspond with his nasty behaviour towards her.

I am not for the cutting off of hands or beheading in the village square, let's give her a chance to defend herself before pouring the boiling hot oil out of the castle turrets & cannonball ports, perhaps Sollecito (sorry, here I cannot say making love when referring to him, but making hate doesn't work either) when screwing her, shouted Knox's name, NO?

That would have pissed her right off after being jumped by him after an hour of meeting him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Maybe not so much gold... but more/some attention.


Yes maybe but I really so not believe she was so stupid to imagine that attention for her through the press would definitely be good for her, but she felt so turned over, she wanted to get back at him, in this I do not find it a bad thing, adfter all, he needs it.

She needed someone to love, probably, and in that, imagined he was some poor guy, a nice guy, wronged, and then she felt some urge to want to care fo someone like that, or not someone like that, but HIM.

The girl is not the same as Knox, anyone who says that is talking rubbish, Knox is a murderer, what has Kelsey done to be compared to Knox? Nothing.

Her age by the way is 22.

If she started with botox and body changing stuff at such a young age I'd be very, very surprised.
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I agree that Sollecito is now exposed as being desperate to do whatever it takes, including a contract marriage, to avoid the consequences for committing murder.

"On the very first day they spoke, Kay says, Sollecito quickly brought up wanting to meet her — and even proposed that he marry her to avoid the murder retrial and looming threat of jail time in Italy."
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:55 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

zorba wrote:
dgfred wrote:
Maybe not so much gold... but more/some attention.


Yes maybe but I really so not believe she was so stupid to imagine that attention for her through the press would definitely be good for her, but she felt so turned over, she wanted to get back at him, in this I do not find it a bad thing, adfter all, he needs it.

She needed someone to love, probably, and in that, imagined he was some poor guy, a nice guy, wronged, and then she felt some urge to want to care fo someone like that, or not someone like that, but HIM.

The girl is not the same as Knox, anyone who says that is talking rubbish, Knox is a murderer, what has Kelsey done to be compared to Knox? Nothing.

Her age by the way is 22.

If she started with botox and body changing stuff at such a young age I'd be very, very surprised.
Though in America, a lot of weird shit goes on.
Many in Hollywood look like they have the Addams Family Disease


It used to be that when girls turned 16, they got a car. Now they get a nose job and breast implants.

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Whatever she has done, without her, nobody would ever have known what Sollecito did with the marriage stuff, so for that, I don't care if she got paid and I thank her for not being afraid of him or his helpers and exposing his awful acts.


I completely agree.


Thank you,

maybe I'm getting my long johns in a twist because it's time this little shit Sollecito was put in his place.

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Jester wrote:
zorba wrote:
dgfred wrote:
Maybe not so much gold... but more/some attention.


Yes maybe but I really so not believe she was so stupid to imagine that attention for her through the press would definitely be good for her, but she felt so turned over, she wanted to get back at him, in this I do not find it a bad thing, adfter all, he needs it.

She needed someone to love, probably, and in that, imagined he was some poor guy, a nice guy, wronged, and then she felt some urge to want to care fo someone like that, or not someone like that, but HIM.

The girl is not the same as Knox, anyone who says that is talking rubbish, Knox is a murderer, what has Kelsey done to be compared to Knox? Nothing.

Her age by the way is 22.

If she started with botox and body changing stuff at such a young age I'd be very, very surprised.
Though in America, a lot of weird shit goes on.
Many in Hollywood look like they have the Addams Family Disease


It used to be that when girls turned 16, they got a car. Now they get a nose job and breast implants.


I see, well it (implants) helps when swimming to stay afloat.

Girls where I am do not do those things, thank god. America is the worst place on earth for this denaturalisation of humans, or whatever it is called when men are not allowed to have any hair but women are only allowed hair on their head and nowhere else.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I agree that Sollecito is now exposed as being desperate to do whatever it takes, including a contract marriage, to avoid the consequences for committing murder.

"On the very first day they spoke, Kay says, Sollecito quickly brought up wanting to meet her — and even proposed that he marry her to avoid the murder retrial and looming threat of jail time in Italy."
(Radar link)


Think that it was he brought up the marriage to her when they MET not when they first spoke.

So when they spoke in one another's company, I think.

His dad, I mean if it wasn't all so heavy, it would be comical, dad saying oh he just popped into Paris, he'll be back for dunner, kind of thing, then the next thing we heard was what we were all already thinking, yes, he had gone to the Dominican Republic.

Holiday. Yes marry girl holiday.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:20 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jester wrote:
zorba wrote:
dgfred wrote:
Maybe not so much gold... but more/some attention.


Yes maybe but I really so not believe she was so stupid to imagine that attention for her through the press would definitely be good for her, but she felt so turned over, she wanted to get back at him, in this I do not find it a bad thing, adfter all, he needs it.

She needed someone to love, probably, and in that, imagined he was some poor guy, a nice guy, wronged, and then she felt some urge to want to care fo someone like that, or not someone like that, but HIM.

The girl is not the same as Knox, anyone who says that is talking rubbish, Knox is a murderer, what has Kelsey done to be compared to Knox? Nothing.

Her age by the way is 22.

If she started with botox and body changing stuff at such a young age I'd be very, very surprised.
Though in America, a lot of weird shit goes on.
Many in Hollywood look like they have the Addams Family Disease


It used to be that when girls turned 16, they got a car. Now they get a nose job and breast implants.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/h ... t-implants



I wouldn't mind a nose job, it isn't that big but elephants chased me on a recent safari.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:30 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I agree that Sollecito is now exposed as being desperate to do whatever it takes, including a contract marriage, to avoid the consequences for committing murder.

"On the very first day they spoke, Kay says, Sollecito quickly brought up wanting to meet her — and even proposed that he marry her to avoid the murder retrial and looming threat of jail time in Italy."
(Radar link)


Think that it was he brought up the marriage to her when they MET not when they first spoke.

So when they spoke in one another's company, I think.

His dad, I mean if it wasn't all so heavy, it would be comical, dad saying oh he just popped into Paris, he'll be back for dunner, kind of thing, then the next thing we heard was what we were all already thinking, yes, he had gone to the Dominican Republic.

Holiday. Yes marry girl holiday.


I agree that although they skyped and texted that each found the other to be 'sooooooooo attractive', their first real conversation was about a marriage contract to avoid jail time in Italy. We know this didn't bother Kelsey, as she followed through to the point of reading the contract. I understand that what didn't sit well with her in the contract was that she had to be discrete, and that she had a financial penalty if she broke the contract. It's my understanding that although she did not follow through, and she stood up Sollecito after he spent four days in Seattle, she then made efforts to discuss marriage in December, after it was publicized that he was spending time with another woman. I also get the impression that when Sollecito did not reply to her texts, she then told him that she was in the hospital almost dying. That seemed to get a response from him. He asked about the sepsis and kidneys, confused that the information changed, and she was forceful in demanding to know if he was seeing someone.

Sollecito says that his father wants him to have a Plan B, so while Kelsey is tugging on him about a marriage for love with no strings attached, even though they are strangers, he's clarifying that his primary objective is to develop Plan B. I get the impression during the exchange that, after he knows that a marriage contract is off the table, he's not that interested - as he has more important things to worry about, like a Plan B. For some strange reason, she seems more interested in discussing marriage at that point, which is what confuses me as she is the party that shut down that discussion by standing him up.


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Jeez... both AK and RS are a decent lawyer's worst nightmare. They both have reserved seats on the stupid-train.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Maybe not so much gold... but more/some attention.


Yes maybe but I really so not believe she was so stupid to imagine that attention for her through the press would definitely be good for her, but she felt so turned over, she wanted to get back at him, in this I do not find it a bad thing, adfter all, he needs it.

She needed someone to love, probably, and in that, imagined he was some poor guy, a nice guy, wronged, and then she felt some urge to want to care fo someone like that, or not someone like that, but HIM.

The girl is not the same as Knox, anyone who says that is talking rubbish, Knox is a murderer, what has Kelsey done to be compared to Knox? Nothing.

Her age by the way is 22.

If she started with botox and body changing stuff at such a young age I'd be very, very surprised.
Though in America, a lot of weird shit goes on.
Many in Hollywood look like they have the Addams Family Disease


It used to be that when girls turned 16, they got a car. Now they get a nose job and breast implants.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/h ... t-implants



I wouldn't mind a nose job, it isn't that big but elephants chased me on a recent safari.


Nose jobs sometimes leave the nose looking a bit like a snout, where the nostrils are just a wee bit too high up. Another side effect seems to be a strange nasal tone of voice. Then, there's the Michael Jackson nose job, where it simply fell off his face.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:48 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Here's what is being reported by the Italian media today (thanks to Sallyoo for the link and The 411 for her (partial) translation):

Sollecito gets engaged in the US to avoid prison
By Sissi De Rosa
January 23, 2014

Raffaele Sollecito, while awaiting sentence for the murder of Meredith Kercher , seems to be busy with other matters . Apparently Sollecito got engaged , but his love affairs do not end there . It would seem that Raffaele has tried to marry in the US in order to avoid prison in Italy . But let's go step by step, and seek first to understand who is the girlfriend of Raffaele Sollecito.

"Raffaele's girlfriend, or his presumed girlfriend is Greta Menegaldo, 23 years old, from the province of Treviso [in Italy], who studies in Verona. From what it appears, although it has not been officially confirmed, this is a serious relationship for Sollecito.

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This is what was told to the weekly magazine Giallo. Raffaele and Greta met in Verona, where both were involved in their studies. Greta and Sollecito were in South America together, before returning to Italy for the appeal trial. Greta has relatives there. Raffaele tries not to think about the judicial happenings, and on Facebook he posts romantic phrases to his girlfriend, such as: "This evening I eat dreams before hoping to be able to fulfill them upon my awakening with the person to whom I gave my heart."

The rumors about the love life of Raffaele Sollecito , however, do not end here. Apparently one of the suspects for the murder of Meredith Kercher not long ago was trying to avoid imprisonment, at least according to the U.S. website RadarOnline.com . It found out that Kelsey Kay , 21, of Coeur D' Alene, Idaho had received a not so romantic marriage proposal from Raffaele Sollecito , in order to obtain citizenship . Kay had contacted him through the site to raise funds used to pay his trial costs as a result of reading his book , Honor Bound . The 21 year old said she had received a proposal of marriage from Sollecito, although they did not know each other well, just for citizenship, with a contract to be complied with . Is it true?


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Jester wrote:
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I agree that Sollecito is now exposed as being desperate to do whatever it takes, including a contract marriage, to avoid the consequences for committing murder.

"On the very first day they spoke, Kay says, Sollecito quickly brought up wanting to meet her — and even proposed that he marry her to avoid the murder retrial and looming threat of jail time in Italy."
(Radar link)


Think that it was he brought up the marriage to her when they MET not when they first spoke.

So when they spoke in one another's company, I think.

His dad, I mean if it wasn't all so heavy, it would be comical, dad saying oh he just popped into Paris, he'll be back for dunner, kind of thing, then the next thing we heard was what we were all already thinking, yes, he had gone to the Dominican Republic.

Holiday. Yes marry girl holiday.


I agree that although they skyped and texted that each found the other to be 'sooooooooo attractive', their first real conversation was about a marriage contract to avoid jail time in Italy. We know this didn't bother Kelsey, as she followed through to the point of reading the contract. I understand that what didn't sit well with her in the contract was that she had to be discrete, and that she had a financial penalty if she broke the contract. It's my understanding that although she did not follow through, and she stood up Sollecito after he spent four days in Seattle, she then made efforts to discuss marriage in December, after it was publicized that he was spending time with another woman. I also get the impression that when Sollecito did not reply to her texts, she then told him that she was in the hospital almost dying. That seemed to get a response from him. He asked about the sepsis and kidneys, confused that the information changed, and she was forceful in demanding to know if he was seeing someone.

Sollecito says that his father wants him to have a Plan B, so while Kelsey is tugging on him about a marriage for love with no strings attached, even though they are strangers, he's clarifying that his primary objective is to develop Plan B. I get the impression during the exchange that, after he knows that a marriage contract is off the table, he's not that interested - as he has more important things to worry about, like a Plan B. For some strange reason, she seems more interested in discussing marriage at that point, which is what confuses me as she is the party that shut down that discussion by standing him up.



Jester, you really need to go and reread what was said and look at the sequence, you have the facts wrong.

She was not into any marriage agreement, she was shocked by it.

Also, he was not concerned about her being ill, at all.

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Jester wrote:
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I agree that Sollecito is now exposed as being desperate to do whatever it takes, including a contract marriage, to avoid the consequences for committing murder.

"On the very first day they spoke, Kay says, Sollecito quickly brought up wanting to meet her — and even proposed that he marry her to avoid the murder retrial and looming threat of jail time in Italy."
(Radar link)


Think that it was he brought up the marriage to her when they MET not when they first spoke.

So when they spoke in one another's company, I think.

His dad, I mean if it wasn't all so heavy, it would be comical, dad saying oh he just popped into Paris, he'll be back for dunner, kind of thing, then the next thing we heard was what we were all already thinking, yes, he had gone to the Dominican Republic.

Holiday. Yes marry girl holiday.


I agree that although they skyped and texted that each found the other to be 'sooooooooo attractive', their first real conversation was about a marriage contract to avoid jail time in Italy. We know this didn't bother Kelsey, as she followed through to the point of reading the contract. I understand that what didn't sit well with her in the contract was that she had to be discrete, and that she had a financial penalty if she broke the contract. It's my understanding that although she did not follow through, and she stood up Sollecito after he spent four days in Seattle, she then made efforts to discuss marriage in December, after it was publicized that he was spending time with another woman. I also get the impression that when Sollecito did not reply to her texts, she then told him that she was in the hospital almost dying. That seemed to get a response from him. He asked about the sepsis and kidneys, confused that the information changed, and she was forceful in demanding to know if he was seeing someone.

Sollecito says that his father wants him to have a Plan B, so while Kelsey is tugging on him about a marriage for love with no strings attached, even though they are strangers, he's clarifying that his primary objective is to develop Plan B. I get the impression during the exchange that, after he knows that a marriage contract is off the table, he's not that interested - as he has more important things to worry about, like a Plan B. For some strange reason, she seems more interested in discussing marriage at that point, which is what confuses me as she is the party that shut down that discussion by standing him up.


She believed in his innocence and believed he was this nice guy wronged.

That is why she still hoped he could be genuine with her.

He never had any such intention, no intention of genuinely being married or together for love, he manipulated her and used her.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:12 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Also, we learn, Sollecito has a bank account in the US. I think the Italian authorities will need to know about that.

I'd also like to know how he got that account. Who acted as guarantor for him?


I do not know if you can have a bank account in the US if you are not a permanent resident or some status superior to a tourist.

In any case, if the account was on his name, the funds could be seized. He assured the funds were shielded for the worst case scenario and having learned he has family in the US, his donations might just be linked to one of their accounts.


Morning All.......

I've been through the Green Card/Citizenship process during the last 6 years, so I have all the answers, I think. Fire away.

As for bank accounts, you have to have a social security number first. If you don't have a right to legal employment in the US I don't think there's a way of getting an SSN. Maybe a friend has opened an account with RS as a co-signatory.


Thank you Smacker. That's what I thought.

If Sollecito has linked his donations on the GoFundMe page to a relative's bank account, then he has most likely given up control over the money.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:20 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.


I think many people get a kick out of being "close" to a celebrity.

Imagine you send a message to ... whoever in the movie business. You are not likely to get a personal reply.

Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox have made themselves approachable through social media and they actively engage the little audience they have left. Imagine the thrill for someone gullible to receive a personal message from someone they look up to (I am not saying this is what happened here, but it could have been).

It is important though that Raffaele Sollecito is the one who starts the flirting. He is the one who takes the first steps. I am not sure Kelsey Kay is that innocent naive woman she suggests she is, but if we assume she was, this must have been overwhelming for her.

Her reply is polite, while he is aggressively flirting.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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smacker wrote:
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Also, we learn, Sollecito has a bank account in the US. I think the Italian authorities will need to know about that.

I'd also like to know how he got that account. Who acted as guarantor for him?


I do not know if you can have a bank account in the US if you are not a permanent resident or some status superior to a tourist.

In any case, if the account was on his name, the funds could be seized. He assured the funds were shielded for the worst case scenario and having learned he has family in the US, his donations might just be linked to one of their accounts.


Morning All.......

I've been through the Green Card/Citizenship process during the last 6 years, so I have all the answers, I think. Fire away.

As for bank accounts, you have to have a social security number first. If you don't have a right to legal employment in the US I don't think there's a way of getting an SSN. Maybe a friend has opened an account with RS as a co-signatory.


Hi, Smacker. I think one of the mistakes we're making is the assumption that RS is operating as we ordinary citizens might, trying to open a personal banking account in the US of A. The Green Card always was plan B, as part of his larger scheme to evade justice.

Having tracked this since their release from prison and when the book contracts were signed, we here at NET knew the murdering duo had taken steps to protect their assets in case their convictions should eventually be upheld.

The way to do that would be to assign their interest in their books to trusts or shell companies set up in one of the more stable banking systems, say the Isle of Man, and use correspondent banks in the international banking system to access their funds whenever needed. (Ted Simon is quite expert in this sort of offshore dealing)

It appears that Raffaele Sollecito received his publishing contract advance from Simon and Schuster in this manner. The 600,000 pounds figure seemed too exact a figure to assume he'd received it in dollars. It might also explain what he was doing in London in March, before the Supreme Court ruling. Forget the bit about visiting Meredith's grave, he was visiting his money and setting up his asset hiding scheme. (Not for nothing is London known as the money laundering capital of the world)
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She's still not a gold-digger as far as I can sense.


Maybe women have a more sensitive nose for gold-diggers then men do. ;)


Women may have an advantage in recognizing female behaviour that is underhanded because we may have known women that have discussed calculating, manipulative tactics that they use to get what they want. Additionally, a woman scorned is not a pretty sight. Regardless of how honourable this woman is, I think we can see that she has a vindictive streak. That is, the release of the information seems to have one purpose, and that is to retaliate and inflict harm for a perceived wrong.



Aside from whether or not what you say is right, the wider implication, the one meaningful to this, are the facts about Sollecito.

This relay reveals things about him, and that is important.

I'm trying to look into her, but I just don't sense she is all bad or bad.

Writing someone off as a gold-digger is what the tabloids do all the time.


I do view her as willing to commit a criminal offence (which people don't usually do unless there's something in it for them), vindictive, and that she has benefited financially from her association with Sollecito. On the other hand, this does reveal that Sollecito is actively attempting to secure work in the Dominican Republic, that he wants to establish residency in a foreign country, and that he is also prepared to marry any woman if it means avoiding facing consequences for murder in Italy. I don't really see this as new information. I seem to recall from months ago, when it was first known that Sollecito was in the DR, that his chances of avoiding extradition were improved if he had residency, a job, owned property, or actually had a life in the DR prior to the conviction.


Prior to the conviction or prior to the offence for which he is convicted for?

From what I remember from former discussions, he was already too late to make that work.

I think I will have to look that up again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:17 am   Post subject: ON GREEN CARDS AND MARRIAGE CONTRACTS   

Raffaele uses a credit card drawn on this shell account, say, to pay his expenses, plane trips, flights to Idaho, seduction presents (eww) He takes prospective bride to Chase Bank which also handles commercial accounts, possibly to work out pay off, or bride price.

There too many gaps in the story to understand exactly what happened here. On the face of it, she's interested in the wrongly accused, coming from Greg Hampikian's very own Idaho (hence my earlier joke about Amanda's hideaway shack in Idaho)

But there is much more to it than when we have been told. I was told more surprises were to come, and it turns out, they did. . Meredith's scream for justice did not go unheard.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:45 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

According to Kelsey, Sollecito introduced Kelsey to his banker as his "fiance". It's interesting that Sollecito thought that introduction should be made.
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Out of 50 US states he just so happens to pick Idaho. And CdA is even closer to Seattle than to Boise. Idaho is a pretty 'long' state. So close to his ex and his fan base. What a 'coincidence'. Now yet another girl. This time one with ties to South America. RS has already proven that he is horrible in keeping a low profile, so I don't see him hiding out for very long.
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According to Kelsey, Sollecito introduced Kelsey to his banker as his "fiance". It's interesting that Sollecito thought that introduction should be made.


That "he went to his bank to run some errands". My focus not being how he got the account, but where's he stashing his assets. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe- ... n-11693404

And http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25864499
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I do view her as willing to commit a criminal offence (which people don't usually do unless there's something in it for them), vindictive, and that she has benefited financially from her association with Sollecito. On the other hand, this does reveal that Sollecito is actively attempting to secure work in the Dominican Republic, that he wants to establish residency in a foreign country, and that he is also prepared to marry any woman if it means avoiding facing consequences for murder in Italy. I don't really see this as new information. I seem to recall from months ago, when it was first known that Sollecito was in the DR, that his chances of avoiding extradition were improved if he had residency, a job, owned property, or actually had a life in the DR prior to the conviction.


Prior to the conviction or prior to the offence for which he is convicted for?

From what I remember from former discussions, he was already too late to make that work.

I think I will have to look that up again.


I tried replying earlier, but the site is hanging on my end. I recall that the conditions for avoiding extradition in the Dominica Republic were posted several weeks ago. I think Zorba might have posted the information. I think that if Sollecito lived there prior to the offence, then he had a better chance of avoiding extradition, but I thought there were also a couple of conditions where he might still be able to avoid extradition. I just don't remember the details anymore.
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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.


I think many people get a kick out of being "close" to a celebrity.

Imagine you send a message to ... whoever in the movie business. You are not likely to get a personal reply.

Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox have made themselves approachable through social media and they actively engage the little audience they have left. Imagine the thrill for someone gullible to receive a personal message from someone they look up to (I am not saying this is what happened here, but it could have been).

It is important though that Raffaele Sollecito is the one who starts the flirting. He is the one who takes the first steps. I am not sure Kelsey Kay is that innocent naive woman she suggests she is, but if we assume she was, this must have been overwhelming for her.

Her reply is polite, while he is aggressively flirting.


Raffaele Sollecito is not the gentleman we were led to believe. He's like his father: he delivers lies with sincerity. I would like to know when Kelsey first approached the tabloid. If it was prior to Jan 1, then she was in it for the money. If it was after January 1, then she was really angry. Neither is becoming for a young lady. Kelsey, demure, shy, innocent, naïve and running to the tabloids waving her arms, yelling "I've got the scoop in the international murder trial". I'm sure there's an oxymoron in there somewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:16 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Belated Happy Birthday Nell! Are you on the cusp of Capricorn/Aquarius?

I misspoke the other day and said that my father was a Capricorn. I don't know what I was thinking, but he was born on February 1, 1916, which I think is Aquarius, but I'm not up on that calendar. He is still a Buddhist.

But, we all have to admit, Geminis are the best.
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It would have been easier if the person he tried to marry was called Harry Smith, ballet dancer, part-time banker and investor... is there still time Mr Sollecito? Sure, go on man, you can do it, you know you owe it to yourself, as it is, you are lucky you left Idaho with your testicles still attached, apparently.

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Belated Happy Birthday Nell! Are you on the cusp of Capricorn/Aquarius?

I misspoke the other day and said that my father was a Capricorn. I don't know what I was thinking, but he was born on February 1, 1916, which I think is Aquarius, but I'm not up on that calendar. He is still a Buddhist.

But, we all have to admit, Geminis are the best.


I'm guessing you are a Gemini.

I think the one called cancer is all wrong: when a person says I'm a cancer, it's just not right.
Aquarius sounds cool unless you have an enlarged prostate. Not you, but, as in, ONE has.
Prostrations are a different kettle of fish.

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I see Kelsey as a bit of a vulture, circling the carrion. To recognize this does not exonerate Sollecito. He is worse, as he is a murderer. They both viewed each other as prey, and they attempted to exploit each other. Kelsey wins because she not only met his banker, but she's got her name plastered on the website that discusses Hollywood mutants. Sollecito loses because he has been exposed as having a real girlfriend in Verona and simultaneously attempting to contract a marriage in a foreign country.

To accept that Guede did not act alone does not mean that he is a good guy. He, Sollecito and Knox are the same. I put Kelsey in the Vulture Department as someone that wants to get a bite before the ship sinks. The Vulture Department is just above the bottom feeding contract marriage candidates.
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zorba wrote:
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Belated Happy Birthday Nell! Are you on the cusp of Capricorn/Aquarius?

I misspoke the other day and said that my father was a Capricorn. I don't know what I was thinking, but he was born on February 1, 1916, which I think is Aquarius, but I'm not up on that calendar. He is still a Buddhist.

But, we all have to admit, Geminis are the best.


I'm guessing you are a Gemini.

I think the one called cancer is all wrong: when a person says I'm a cancer, it's just not right.
Aquarius sounds cool unless you have an enlarged prostate. Not you, but, as in, ONE has.
Prostrations are a different kettle of fish.


My father was a full fledged Aquarius, and I know that he did not have a kettle of fish in an enlarged prostate.
Gemini. Yes. The Best!
Cancer. No. Not Good ... unless it's astrology and then it's probably methodical, takes almost too much time to make a decision, but the decision is always good ... and so on.
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I see Kelsey as a bit of a vulture, circling the carrion. To recognize this does not exonerate Sollecito. He is worse, as he is a murderer. They both viewed each other as prey, and they attempted to exploit each other. Kelsey wins because she not only met his banker, but she's got her name plastered on the website that discusses Hollywood mutants. Sollecito loses because he has been exposed as having a real girlfriend in Verona and simultaneously attempting to contract a marriage in a foreign country.

To accept that Guede did not act alone does not mean that he is a good guy. He, Sollecito and Knox are the same. I put Kelsey in the Vulture Department as someone that wants to get a bite before the ship sinks. The Vulture Department is just above the bottom feeding contract marriage candidates.



I find your take on her a bit heartless, since there is not enough info on her, to come to hard conclusions such as that.

It's your take but I disagree with it for a range of reasons.
You are choosing to see the worst in her, but maybe she is not a bad person at all.
You do not know, neither do I, yet, the extent to which she has been hauled in by the Idaho Project.
I do not see all of that nastiness in her, I see a happy child with her too.
Since what you are saying is completely in tune with what Knox's supporters are saying, it would be good if we can come up with some facts instead of unfounded accusations.
I'd rather talk to her than ground her down to a lump of shit.
If she shows herself to be a pile of crap then that is a different thing, but there ''are'' people who are not through a through bad wwho just believed the lines put out by the PR machinery, I see her like that. Okay, she was too willing to get involved with him, but if she truly believed in his innocence, found him attractive, and felt sorry for him, and needs someone who she feels needs her love, then she is not a bad person, misguided is different to bad, wicked, twisted.
And even if it appears to be vindictive, so what, she has a right if he played her for a fool, and was all over her, and he deserves to be put in his place

Can we try to find a way to talk to her?

Anyway, women can be hard to other women, it's okay, if it is true, but based on what we know, I think it's going a bit far to call her a vulture.

Me, as a man of more than 50 years of age, am not about to shit-mouth a girl of 22, not unless she is a fucked up murdering liar. People who compare this girl with Knox are truly out of order themselves, that they cannot do better than that.

I will admit, as I'm not the arrogant type, I may have it all wrong.

I remember having certain girlfriends who were little monsters and there's me looking all upset with mam who immediately took a dislike to these, and didn't do her usual nice chatty stuff and I knew, nar ma, be nice to her, she's great. Mmmm, she said in her Marge Simpson growl voice of distain.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:37 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Belated Happy Birthday Nell! Are you on the cusp of Capricorn/Aquarius?

I misspoke the other day and said that my father was a Capricorn. I don't know what I was thinking, but he was born on February 1, 1916, which I think is Aquarius, but I'm not up on that calendar. He is still a Buddhist.

But, we all have to admit, Geminis are the best.


Hi Jester,

Thank you for your wishes. Yes, I am Aquarius. :-)
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Belated Happy Birthday Nell! Are you on the cusp of Capricorn/Aquarius?

I misspoke the other day and said that my father was a Capricorn. I don't know what I was thinking, but he was born on February 1, 1916, which I think is Aquarius, but I'm not up on that calendar. He is still a Buddhist.

But, we all have to admit, Geminis are the best.


I'm guessing you are a Gemini.

I think the one called cancer is all wrong: when a person says I'm a cancer, it's just not right.
Aquarius sounds cool unless you have an enlarged prostate. Not you, but, as in, ONE has.
Prostrations are a different kettle of fish.


My father was a full fledged Aquarius, and I know that he did not have a kettle of fish in an enlarged prostate.
Gemini. Yes. The Best!
Cancer. No. Not Good ... unless it's astrology and then it's probably methodical, takes almost too much time to make a decision, but the decision is always good ... and so on.



I clicked on a thing this morning and it kept me on there because it was going to be revealing something in just a moment, from Dr Huppetypuppety, then another moment, and another, in the end obviously it was to sell some junk or maybe not junk, for enlarged prostate, 40 dollars a pot.

Went to my doctor the other day, as I can hear my heartbeat in my left ear, it's driving me up the wall, but thing is, these doctors think they know it all while many do not even keep up with new things/developments, and as with journalism everyone has a lot more access, or infinite access right there in the home, to all sorts of stuff, in fact to everything. So many a time you will know, if you've read up on a thing, more than your doctor.

I'm about to change him, as I'm sure he studied twice as long as everyone else. He never seems to really help me out, and if there's anything I hate, it's being stopped/interrupted just when I'm about to get the point explained.
Imagine if everyone just trusted their doctor's idea, the doctor was just that pimples spotty nosed kid once, doing the sums and filling in exam sheets does not ultimately mean that a person is great at making real connections, nope, way too much is just parroted, learn facts that's it.
Frank Zappa had prostate trouble, went again and again, to doctor's hospital, not, nothing wrong, then one day they said we've made a mistake, it's terminal, you are going to die. Drank said, you cannot understand how irate a person gets when after asking them 10 times and getting sent away, they finally tell you this.


I am a cancer, a cancer leo if that sounds better, I'm not sure it's the best combi, the wide circle and then the full on at you lion.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:54 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

That reminds me, has a dream once, as dreams go, impossible, there i was in someone's sort of outdoor living room kind of clubhouse, when I suddenly found myself in there and the pets were all these lions lazing around all over the place, and whereas it's normally, no, no it's okay, he doesn't bite, I wanted out of there but you cannot be bad mannered or impolite to any lions, like tell them you don't trust them, no no, it's alright. Er Yeah, and all the while but what if I tread on one of their tails. It's like normally, with a dog, you'd day are you sure, stood there with a beast barking. yeah yeah he doesn't bite, but with the lions, you don't want to know about if it's alright, you have a mind of your own and you decide it's not alright.

I wonder how much of what we thinking a day has something to do with the stuff we dreamed but cannot remember.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:21 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I don't know... she says in one of the first post how handsome he is. Hmmmm, could you ladies give an opinion on that? To me he looks like a freak... and acts like one too.


I think many people get a kick out of being "close" to a celebrity.

Imagine you send a message to ... whoever in the movie business. You are not likely to get a personal reply.

Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox have made themselves approachable through social media and they actively engage the little audience they have left. Imagine the thrill for someone gullible to receive a personal message from someone they look up to (I am not saying this is what happened here, but it could have been).

It is important though that Raffaele Sollecito is the one who starts the flirting. He is the one who takes the first steps. I am not sure Kelsey Kay is that innocent naive woman she suggests she is, but if we assume she was, this must have been overwhelming for her.

Her reply is polite, while he is aggressively flirting.


Raffaele Sollecito is not the gentleman we were led to believe. He's like his father: he delivers lies with sincerity. I would like to know when Kelsey first approached the tabloid. If it was prior to Jan 1, then she was in it for the money. If it was after January 1, then she was really angry. Neither is becoming for a young lady. Kelsey, demure, shy, innocent, naïve and running to the tabloids waving her arms, yelling "I've got the scoop in the international murder trial". I'm sure there's an oxymoron in there somewhere.


Why is the date decisive? What happened on Jan 1st that it makes a difference?


Nick Pisa's article speculating about Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito getting back together is dated June 20th.

On June 22nd, there is a message from Raffaele Sollecito to Kelsey Kay mentioning a possible "reconciliation". I wonder what happened there? Could it be Knox turned him down and he tried to convince Kelsey to marry him?

It is on December 18 that Sollecito tells Kelsey that his plan to marry an American to protect himself from a possible extradition will not work. It is also then when he has lost all interest in a relationship with her. His claims to "slow it down" are a pathetic for someone who would have married her from the spot if it would have helped his situation.

On December 27th Kelsey Kay informs him she is in the hospital and he tells her he misses her and calls her "dear" and "honey".

On December 23rd the story broke that he had found new love in the Dominican Republic.


I interpret the information available as follows: Once he found out he was mistaken about marriage being some sort of protection for him, he lost interest and moved on, but he didn't have the guts to tell her. Business deal or true romance, he stood her up and she got angry when she found out through the press.

In any case it is clear that Sollecito is not afraid to charm his supporters to get access to whatever strikes his fancy. He is absolutely ruthless. He uses people and takes advantage of them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:34 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I see Kelsey as a bit of a vulture, circling the carrion. To recognize this does not exonerate Sollecito. He is worse, as he is a murderer. They both viewed each other as prey, and they attempted to exploit each other. Kelsey wins because she not only met his banker, but she's got her name plastered on the website that discusses Hollywood mutants. Sollecito loses because he has been exposed as having a real girlfriend in Verona and simultaneously attempting to contract a marriage in a foreign country.

To accept that Guede did not act alone does not mean that he is a good guy. He, Sollecito and Knox are the same. I put Kelsey in the Vulture Department as someone that wants to get a bite before the ship sinks. The Vulture Department is just above the bottom feeding contract marriage candidates.


Looking at the timeline it appears once the photos of him with another woman are published, she contacts him and finds out he is not interested in an arranged marriage anymore. To compensate her losses, she sells her story exposing him.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I find your take on her a bit heartless, since there is not enough info on her, to come to hard conclusions such as that.

It's your take but I disagree with it for a range of reasons.
You are choosing to see the worst in her, but maybe she is not a bad person at all.
You do not know, neither do I, yet, the extent to which she has been hauled in by the Idaho Project.
I do not see all of that nastiness in her, I see a happy child with her too.
Since what you are saying is completely in tune with what Knox's supporters are saying, it would be good if we can come up with some facts instead of unfounded accusations.
I'd rather talk to her than ground her down to a lump of shit.
If she shows herself to be a pile of crap then that is a different thing, but there ''are'' people who are not through a through bad wwho just believed the lines put out by the PR machinery, I see her like that. Okay, she was too willing to get involved with him, but if she truly believed in his innocence, found him attractive, and felt sorry for him, and needs someone who she feels needs her love, then she is not a bad person, misguided is different to bad, wicked, twisted.
And even if it appears to be vindictive, so what, she has a right if he played her for a fool, and was all over her, and he deserves to be put in his place

Can we try to find a way to talk to her?

Anyway, women can be hard to other women, it's okay, if it is true, but based on what we know, I think it's going a bit far to call her a vulture.

Me, as a man of more than 50 years of age, am not about to shit-mouth a girl of 22, not unless she is a fucked up murdering liar. People who compare this girl with Knox are truly out of order themselves, that they cannot do better than that.

I will admit, as I'm not the arrogant type, I may have it all wrong.

I remember having certain girlfriends who were little monsters and there's me looking all upset with mam who immediately took a dislike to these, and didn't do her usual nice chatty stuff and I knew, nar ma, be nice to her, she's great. Mmmm, she said in her Marge Simpson growl voice of distain.


I probably appear to be heartless when describing the woman with a snout and a botox twitch that poses on Model Mayhem with another woman. The fact that she is a monster does not mean that Sollecito is not also a monster. He is. She is a lesser monster because her only public crime, at this time, is endeavouring to enter into a false marriage contract for the purpose of committing fraud on the federal government, and accepting responsibility for the theft of $6000 or associating with criminals. Wasn't there something in the texts about him being a bit concerned that she was convicted of theft in the amount of $6000? A money theft conviction would concern a man that is introducing the woman to his banker.

Is she preyed on by the Idaho Innocence Project to hook up with Sollecito in a marriage of convenience? Are Hampikian and Halkides behind a 21 year old Idaho woman luring Sollecito for marriage, or was the "marry Knox" idea something from his father?

Do Sollecito supporters claim that he was tricked?

There's nothing that should be "so what" when it comes to a vindictive woman. Either she's up for sparring, or she's looking for the back door to the jackpot, but playing the fool doesn't work, neither did the "I'm dying" (see: "I'm pregnant") stunt. Assuming that Kelsey's motives are unrelated to the tabloid jackpot, then she must be a very angry 21 year old single mom that is completely unconcerned about how her statements might impact the freedom of Sollecito and her life.

This woman is a wench. Plain and Simple. That doesn't negate the fact that Sollecito is a murderer.

Okay, I apologize profusely for having the opinion that this woman, a personal assistant, who was cut with a box cutter (how did that happen?) on December 27 developed a blood infection, sepsis, and by January 1, she 'd been cured of sepsis, had kidney surgery and was well again; well enough to be angry. Thankfully, she had a remarkable recovery, but I see something that in not genuine.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:59 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I probably appear to be heartless when describing the woman with a snout and a botox twitching mouth that poses on Model Mayhem with another woman. The fact that she is a monster does not mean that Sollecito is not also a monster. He is. She is a lesser monster because her only public crime, at this time, is endeavouring to enter into a false marriage contract for the purpose of fraud, and accepting responsibility for the theft of $6000/associating with criminals. Wasn't there something in the texts about him being a bit concerned that she was convicted of theft in the amount of $6000? A money theft conviction would concern a man that is introducing the woman to his banker.

Is she preyed on by the Idaho Innocence Project to hook up with Sollecito in a marriage of convenience? Are Hampikian and Halkides behind a 21 year old Idaho woman luring Sollecito for marriage, or was the "marry Knox" idea something from his father?

Do Sollecito supporters claim that he was tricked?

There's nothing that should be "so what" when it comes to a vindictive woman. Either she's up for sparring, or she's looking for the back door to the jackpot, but playing the fool doesn't work, neither did the "I'm dying" (see: "I'm pregnant") stunt. Assuming that Kelsey's motives are unrelated to the tabloid jackpot, then she must be a very angry 21 year old single mom that is completely unconcerned about how her statements might impact the freedom of Sollecito and her life.

This woman is a wench. Plain and Simple. That doesn't negate the fact that Sollecito is a murderer.

Okay, I apologize profusely for having the opinion that this woman, a personal assistant, was cut with a box cutter (how did that happen?) on December 27 and she developed a blood infection, sepsis. By January 1, she 'd been cured of sepsis, had kidney surgery and was well again; well enough to be angry. Thankfully, she had a remarkable recovery, but I see something that in not genuine.


Yes, her recovery was miraculous. Fighting sepsis and then having a kidney surgery and she recovered in less than a week. Also her ability to text while fighting death was remarkable.

She herself admits she would have entered a sham marriage and I don't think there can be any question given the circumstances she would have received money in exchange. Whatever amount he promised her, she probably already counted with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:09 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

She recovered from sepsis and kidney surgery in four days. Anyone that knows someone that had kidney surgery, it isn't four days. Sepsis is also not a quick recovery ... think streptococci bacterium on an open wound caused by a box cutter.

I suspect that there was a financial benefit if she signed the contract, but that she had to repay a portion if she backed out before three years expired. Something about the contract scared her, perhaps her economic plan didn't work, so she chose Plan B: The Tabloid.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:27 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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Why is the date decisive? What happened on Jan 1st that it makes a difference?


Nick Pisa's article speculating about Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito getting back together is dated June 20th.

On June 22nd, there is a message from Raffaele Sollecito to Kelsey Kay mentioning a possible "reconciliation". I wonder what happened there? Could it be Knox turned him down and he tried to convince Kelsey to marry him?

It is on December 18 that Sollecito tells Kelsey that his plan to marry an American to protect himself from a possible extradition will not work. It is also then when he has lost all interest in a relationship with her. His claims to "slow it down" are a pathetic for someone who would have married her from the spot if it would have helped his situation.

On December 27th Kelsey Kay informs him she is in the hospital and he tells her he misses her and calls her "dear" and "honey".

On December 23rd the story broke that he had found new love in the Dominican Republic.


I interpret the information available as follows: Once he found out he was mistaken about marriage being some sort of protection for him, he lost interest and moved on, but he didn't have the guts to tell her. Business deal or true romance, he stood her up and she got angry when she found out through the press.

In any case it is clear that Sollecito is not afraid to charm his supporters to get access to whatever strikes his fancy. He is absolutely ruthless. He uses people and takes advantage of them.


Sollecito told Kelsey Kay (alias), on the first day they met, that he wanted a contract marriage. Over the next two days, she met with his banker as part of the contract. Even though she claims that he thrust his tongue down her throat when they'd only just met, she didn't shy away from him.

The date is decisive because the texts indicative that she became deathly ill on Dec 27, and by Jan 1, she was angry and that's the end of the texts.

Kelsey stood Sollecito up at the hotel after he had four days in Seattle in July (???) begging Amanda Knox to marry him (rumour); that she owed him because he stood by her in Italy during the trial. Kelsey and Sollecito spent two days together and after the second day, it was clear that he wanted a contract marriage, but he wanted to know a little more about her. She didn't want a contract marriage, so he left the US. He invited her to his hotel, and she didn't show. Wasn't that July 7, and she was invited to DR another time? It looked like he connected with her again in November with text, but just a nothing back and forth. On December 27, we get the fireworks with her ill temper. It end on Jan 1, 2014.

That Model Mayhem Kelsey Kay (other aliases, criminal record: theft) has been associated with the murder of Meredith Kercher is a misfortune. What was she thinking.
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She recovered from sepsis and kidney surgery in four days. Anyone that knows someone that had kidney surgery, it isn't four days. Sepsis is also not a quick recovery ... think streptococci bacterium on an open wound caused by a box cutter.

I suspect that there was a financial benefit if she signed the contract, but that she had to repay a portion if she backed out before three years expired. Something about the contract scared her, perhaps her economic plan didn't work, so she chose Plan B: The Tabloid.


I agree with that.

Kelsey Kay is now on Twitter and she follows and is followed by certain "Teen Mom" celebrities. As she is very young and has already a child, I wonder if there is some connection.
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Jester wrote:
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Why is the date decisive? What happened on Jan 1st that it makes a difference?


Nick Pisa's article speculating about Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito getting back together is dated June 20th.

On June 22nd, there is a message from Raffaele Sollecito to Kelsey Kay mentioning a possible "reconciliation". I wonder what happened there? Could it be Knox turned him down and he tried to convince Kelsey to marry him?

It is on December 18 that Sollecito tells Kelsey that his plan to marry an American to protect himself from a possible extradition will not work. It is also then when he has lost all interest in a relationship with her. His claims to "slow it down" are a pathetic for someone who would have married her from the spot if it would have helped his situation.

On December 27th Kelsey Kay informs him she is in the hospital and he tells her he misses her and calls her "dear" and "honey".

On December 23rd the story broke that he had found new love in the Dominican Republic.


I interpret the information available as follows: Once he found out he was mistaken about marriage being some sort of protection for him, he lost interest and moved on, but he didn't have the guts to tell her. Business deal or true romance, he stood her up and she got angry when she found out through the press.

In any case it is clear that Sollecito is not afraid to charm his supporters to get access to whatever strikes his fancy. He is absolutely ruthless. He uses people and takes advantage of them.


Sollecito told Kelsey Kay (alias), on the first day they met, that he wanted a contract marriage. Over the next two days, she met with his banker as part of the contract. Even though she claims that he thrust his tongue down her throat when they'd only just met, she didn't shy away from him.

The date is decisive because the texts indicative that she became deathly ill on Dec 27, and by Jan 1, she was angry and that's the end of the texts.

Kelsey stood Sollecito up at the hotel after he had four days in Seattle in July (???) begging Amanda Knox to marry him (rumour); that she owed him because he stood by her in Italy during the trial. Kelsey and Sollecito spent two days together and after the second day, it was clear that he wanted a contract marriage, but he wanted to know a little more about her. She didn't want a contract marriage, so he left the US. He invited her to his hotel, and she didn't show. Wasn't that July 7, and she was invited to DR another time? It looked like he connected with her again in November with text, but just a nothing back and forth. On December 27, we get the fireworks with her ill temper. It end on Jan 1, 2014.

That Model Mayhem Kelsey Kay (other aliases, criminal record: theft) has been associated with the murder of Meredith Kercher is a misfortune. What was she thinking.


Ok. Thanks for the explanation.

I don't understand the part with the hotel, but that might be just me not "getting" that part of the English language. She says "Thank God I left you alone at the hotel so I could think".

Does that equal not showing up at all? I believe there are a variety of options how it could be interpreted but you wouldn't use that kind of wording if you hadn't shown up at all. Am I wrong with that?

To me it means they have seen each other that day, but she left him at the hotel or she might even have been at the hotel with him, but at some point she left.

Maybe I misunderstand that part.
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Thanks to Sallyoo of .ORG for this find: http://www.unionesarda.it/articolo/cron ... 51267.html
Daddy denies RS proposed marriage to Amanda in March, but yes, he did fly to Idaho to meet Kelsey Kay. However, she hid the fact she (had been?) married and has a three year old child, so he broke it off.
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Plus this one from RAI TV http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/me ... d-tg1.html (Requires Microsoft Silverlight to play)
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Ergon wrote:
Thanks to Sallyoo of .ORG for this find: http://www.unionesarda.it/articolo/cron ... 51267.html
Daddy denies RS proposed marriage to Amanda in March, but yes, he did fly to Idaho to meet Kelsey Kay. However, she hid the fact she (had been?) married and has a three year old child, so he broke it off.


Thanks Ergon. Cleaned up Google translation:

Francesco Sollecito's reply to the statement of an American girl.
"No proposal of marriage to Amanda"

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" All falsehood ," said Francesco Sollecito , father of Raffaele . " My son has never asked Amanda to marry him ." The man, who has continued in recent years to say that his son has no intention of going abroad to escape the Italian justice (referring to photos that portray Raffaele in the Caribbean and the United States ) , he also added, referring to Kelsey Key (sic), a young American woman who made the revelation claiming that, after Amanda's refusal to marry Raffaele, Raffaele would have asked her to marry him : " They met via Facebook and with her ( Kelsey Key , ed) he [quickly] established rapport on the social network . Believing there might be serious intentions , when he was already at some of our relatives in the U.S., Raffaele went to visit her in the State of Idaho for two days. She, however, had proved unhelpful and it turned out that she was married , with a daughter . " Francesco Sollecito said that between the two there has "never been" an emotional relationship . " She and Raffaele - said the father - they met last summer and she remembers everything after nine months? " .


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Some tidbits about Sollecito's plans for the future (laughable, does he have a future outside of prison?) and the day of the verdict.

From another link provided by Sallyoo of .org:

The study - Abandoning the pains of love , these days Raffaele would be totally engrossed and engaged in university studies . At the end of March he should discuss his thesis for a degree in computer engineering at the University of Verona.

The ruling - So the last word of this whole story might already be put next Thursday, January 30th , when at the Court of Florence, the ruling of the appeal will be issued. It appears , from a statement of the student's father , Francesco Sollecito , the young man from Puglia will be waiting for the reading of the verdict almost certainly at home. " Raffaele - revealed the parent - is not in a psychological condition to sustain a long wait as the one that is expected on the day of judgment . Almost certainly will wait for this at home. And as is evident, he has no intention of running away ." Just as the young man 's father remarked about his studies, stating, "he has more important things to think about, other than escape ..." The same Francesco Sollecito has not confirmed his presence in the courtroom January 30: " I would like to be there at least in the morning - he said - because the Court deserves consideration and respect as well as the family of Meredith who is expected to attend the reading of the sentence . I too however, am recovering from the three processes [trials] and therefore cannot exclude that I might wait for the judgment at home with Raffaele . We'll decide together what to do." The lawyer Luca Maori , always speaking to Tuttoggi.info , however, has not confirmed the fact , saying that it is said that the young man remains in Puglia at home waiting for the judgment .


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Hello, all. Belated holiday and Birthday greetings!

Ugh. Just ugh at all of the current goings-on.

The old fogey in me is always alarmed at the "Instant, intimate, internet connections". I know that it is the way of the world these days, but I can't help but feel that this form of hook-up is often foolhardy, often potentially dangerous, even more so if there are children involved. How would you ever know if you are connecting with a rapist or murderer?

The young woman's motives are really of no interest to me. Sollecito's motives, however, are. He may as well just walk into the courtroom with a big "flight risk" sign stamped on his forehead. Good Lord, how slimy can a person get?

Anyway, amidst all of the flu and viruses running rampant through my house, my person, and my computer of late, I wanted to take a moment to thank all of our posters who have tirelessly managed to keep us up-to-date on all of the court proceedings and the latest debacle.

I must admit, though, it's a difficult read at times. I see that Papa is still attempting damage control. If this were a real circus, he would certainly be the juggler. Or the guy who sweeps up after the elephants. Either way, it appears to be a bigger job than he can handle.
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Nell wrote:
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She recovered from sepsis and kidney surgery in four days. Anyone that knows someone that had kidney surgery, it isn't four days. Sepsis is also not a quick recovery ... think streptococci bacterium on an open wound caused by a box cutter.

I suspect that there was a financial benefit if she signed the contract, but that she had to repay a portion if she backed out before three years expired. Something about the contract scared her, perhaps her economic plan didn't work, so she chose Plan B: The Tabloid.


I agree with that.

Kelsey Kay is now on Twitter and she follows and is followed by certain "Teen Mom" celebrities. As she is very young and has already a child, I wonder if there is some connection.



Yeah but if I had a lying bastard who I believed in who was 10 years older than me, who was in trouble but who I believed was innocent, and had wanted to help but realised she didn't actually see anything in me other than a fix and when she realised it wouldn't worked ignored me AND STILL HELD ME SLIGHTLY ON THE LINE, WITHOUT TELLING THE TRUTH, then I saw photos of her with some guy I'd get uptight and maybe tell here some shit too like I'm half dying here, to see what she does and how much she is willing to ignore me and lie about this other person.

She is nuts or naive for going anywhere near that murdering fuck.

His father is just something else, that man, for a doctor of many years, did this stuff, I mean for Christ's sake, his son is on the bloody Radar thing talking about the stuff, the audacity of his father makes it increasingly easier to work out just why it is Sollecito the Son is so dishonest. One wouldn't ordinarily blame parents, not without looking into things and each individual ought to be responsible for their selves, yet abuse and so on does exist, so there is, at times, mitigation, despite that, look at this father, I think it is now fair to state that this man CAN be blamed, he is as bad as his son. He will not stop lying. So here we have yet another person, this girl Kelsey, and so dad says she is a liar, not only that, he invents a few bits hoping to sweep it under the mat again.
Suddenly she is married. Silly dad, er...
DAD: No, no good, she has a child.
Yeah like his son has the right to/needed to, marry a virgin bride.

Still, I guess he thinks we are now on this road and so he will keep on and on, maybe he ought to join his son in prison.
his actions are not sweet old man, his actions amount to securing the knife in Meredith's back, he is as bad,
all of those who lie are just as bad, they all have their hands on that knife that killed Meredith.

Fuck them all.

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Hey welcome back, Napia :)
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Napia5 wrote:
Hello, all. Belated holiday and Birthday greetings!

Ugh. Just ugh at all of the current goings-on.

The old fogey in me is always alarmed at the "Instant, intimate, internet connections". I know that it is the way of the world these days, but I can't help but feel that this form of hook-up is often foolhardy, often potentially dangerous, even more so if there are children involved. How would you ever know if you are connecting with a rapist or murderer?

The young woman's motives are really of no interest to me. Sollecito's motives, however, are. He may as well just walk into the courtroom with a big "flight risk" sign stamped on his forehead. Good Lord, how slimy can a person get?

Anyway, amidst all of the flu and viruses running rampant through my house, my person, and my computer of late, I wanted to take a moment to thank all of our posters who have tirelessly managed to keep us up-to-date on all of the court proceedings and the latest debacle.

I must admit, though, it's a difficult read at times. I see that Papa is still attempting damage control. If this were a real circus, he would certainly be the juggler. Or the guy who sweeps up after the elephants. Either way, it appears to be a bigger job than he can handle.



Hi Napia
Glad to see you are alright. It's been a while. Hope your computer trouble is sorted, there was a hole here since you stopped posting.

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zorba wrote:
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I agree that Sollecito is now exposed as being desperate to do whatever it takes, including a contract marriage, to avoid the consequences for committing murder.

"On the very first day they spoke, Kay says, Sollecito quickly brought up wanting to meet her — and even proposed that he marry her to avoid the murder retrial and looming threat of jail time in Italy."
(Radar link)


Think that it was he brought up the marriage to her when they MET not when they first spoke.

So when they spoke in one another's company, I think.

His dad, I mean if it wasn't all so heavy, it would be comical, dad saying oh he just popped into Paris, he'll be back for dunner, kind of thing, then the next thing we heard was what we were all already thinking, yes, he had gone to the Dominican Republic.

Holiday. Yes marry girl holiday.


I agree that although they skyped and texted that each found the other to be 'sooooooooo attractive', their first real conversation was about a marriage contract to avoid jail time in Italy. We know this didn't bother Kelsey, as she followed through to the point of reading the contract. I understand that what didn't sit well with her in the contract was that she had to be discrete, and that she had a financial penalty if she broke the contract. It's my understanding that although she did not follow through, and she stood up Sollecito after he spent four days in Seattle, she then made efforts to discuss marriage in December, after it was publicized that he was spending time with another woman. I also get the impression that when Sollecito did not reply to her texts, she then told him that she was in the hospital almost dying. That seemed to get a response from him. He asked about the sepsis and kidneys, confused that the information changed, and she was forceful in demanding to know if he was seeing someone.

Sollecito says that his father wants him to have a Plan B, so while Kelsey is tugging on him about a marriage for love with no strings attached, even though they are strangers, he's clarifying that his primary objective is to develop Plan B. I get the impression during the exchange that, after he knows that a marriage contract is off the table, he's not that interested - as he has more important things to worry about, like a Plan B. For some strange reason, she seems more interested in discussing marriage at that point, which is what confuses me as she is the party that shut down that discussion by standing him up.


She believed in his innocence and believed he was this nice guy wronged.

That is why she still hoped he could be genuine with her.

He never had any such intention, no intention of genuinely being married or together for love, he manipulated her and used her.

Being a girl, I think KK has good points, but she is young and ignorant. I do believe there was dishonesty on her side. She knew the best time to take her broken heart to Radar online ($$$), for which I thank her. BUT..I don't like when people paint themselves as a victim when they are not. She is going to get a ration of sh-t from all directions. I hope she moves on as a smarter woman...maybe with better intentions.
When things did not go her way, she played the hospital card...so uncool...so victimy.
I like all the ideas coming out, and they are all valid because they are just ideas...we don't know her.
I can say my experience with an italian blogger was similiar in many ways...except, instead of $, I got a bruise...RS/FS are making Italian men look unappealing....I know there are beautiful italian hearts out there... pp-(
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Nell...did I forget your Birthday? So sorry. I hope it was good.
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Thanks to Sallyoo of .ORG for this find: http://www.unionesarda.it/articolo/cron ... 51267.html
Daddy denies RS proposed marriage to Amanda in March, but yes, he did fly to Idaho to meet Kelsey Kay. However, she hid the fact she (had been?) married and has a three year old child, so he broke it off.


These people all have in common that they think every time they are caught in a lie the only thing they have to do is come up with a bigger one. It's getting old.

So having been married and having a child was the problem? Francesco Sollecito nearly has you believe his son was the ideal son in law!

I remember Kelsey Kay mentioning in one article her conviction for stealing $6,000 and SSollecito making a fuss about it. That would have been upsetting given she was willing to marry him despite his reputation.
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Nell...did I forget your Birthday? So sorry. I hope it was good.


Hi TAmale!

Thank you for your wishes. I had a great one.
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Hi Zorba...I laughed when I read my lame defense of KK. Now that I have had my coffee, I will say She was quite abusive to RS...she is no prize, but she has a chance to grow up.
I believe she knew more than she admits...maybe the last conversation was planned by KK as she already contacted Radar online.
Let's see what happens..
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I know this is old news, but I thought I'd post it anyway for the sake of completeness.

"Lawyer, what happens to me? " asked Raffaele Sollecito one of his lawyers , Luca Maori , after the pg had asked the Court of Florence to decide on precautionary measure in the event of a conviction in the appeal for the murder of Meredith Kercher .
" Absolutely nothing," the response from the lawyer to the young man from Puglia.

"This request does not affect us ," stressed Maori .

The lawyer Maori explained that the request of the attorney general "is absolutely hypothetical and certainly does not mean arrest ." "It's a futuristic question - he added - and in any case does not affect us . Indeed, we are sure of acquittal of Raffaele Sollecito . Because as I have argued today - concluded the lawyer Maori - the evidence against him is absolutely non-existent . "

"Raffaele Sollecito is in court and does not behave as a fugitive ." So the lawyer Giulia Bongiorno , one of the defenders of Raffaele Sollecito , in regards to pg’s request for precautionary measures applied to the accused in case of conviction at trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher .

"Raffaele is sitting next to me and has no desire to escape. I answer with this finding , "said the lawyer Bongiorno .

Raffaele Sollecito has avoided journalists with a "no comment" , while his father Francesco called the request of pg " at least premature . "


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Napia5 wrote:
Hello, all. Belated holiday and Birthday greetings!

Ugh. Just ugh at all of the current goings-on.

The old fogey in me is always alarmed at the "Instant, intimate, internet connections". I know that it is the way of the world these days, but I can't help but feel that this form of hook-up is often foolhardy, often potentially dangerous, even more so if there are children involved. How would you ever know if you are connecting with a rapist or murderer?

The young woman's motives are really of no interest to me. Sollecito's motives, however, are. He may as well just walk into the courtroom with a big "flight risk" sign stamped on his forehead. Good Lord, how slimy can a person get?

Anyway, amidst all of the flu and viruses running rampant through my house, my person, and my computer of late, I wanted to take a moment to thank all of our posters who have tirelessly managed to keep us up-to-date on all of the court proceedings and the latest debacle.
I must admit, though, it's a difficult read at times. I see that Papa is still attempting damage control. If this were a real circus, he would certainly be the juggler. Or the guy who sweeps up after the elephants. Either way, it appears to be a bigger job than he can handle.


hugz-) good to see you. xo
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Official news (IIP) that Kelsey Kay was indeed a plant from PMF. Are we powerful, or what?? haha
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Hey welcome back, Napia :)

Thanks, Ava. Great job on your posts, by the way.
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Official news (IIP) that Kelsey Kay was indeed a plant from PMF. Are we powerful, or what?? haha

Thanks for the hug, tamale. I can always use them.

And here I thought that Kelsey Kay was The Machine!!! (just kidding).

A plant? Like a Venus Flytrap?

Why can't they get it through their collective heads that SHE is not the issue here. HE is.
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zorba wrote:
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Hello, all. Belated holiday and Birthday greetings!

Ugh. Just ugh at all of the current goings-on.

The old fogey in me is always alarmed at the "Instant, intimate, internet connections". I know that it is the way of the world these days, but I can't help but feel that this form of hook-up is often foolhardy, often potentially dangerous, even more so if there are children involved. How would you ever know if you are connecting with a rapist or murderer?

The young woman's motives are really of no interest to me. Sollecito's motives, however, are. He may as well just walk into the courtroom with a big "flight risk" sign stamped on his forehead. Good Lord, how slimy can a person get?

Anyway, amidst all of the flu and viruses running rampant through my house, my person, and my computer of late, I wanted to take a moment to thank all of our posters who have tirelessly managed to keep us up-to-date on all of the court proceedings and the latest debacle.

I must admit, though, it's a difficult read at times. I see that Papa is still attempting damage control. If this were a real circus, he would certainly be the juggler. Or the guy who sweeps up after the elephants. Either way, it appears to be a bigger job than he can handle.



Hi Napia
Glad to see you are alright. It's been a while. Hope your computer trouble is sorted, there was a hole here since you stopped posting.


Hi, Zorba! Thanks for the welcome-back. My computer is a work in progress. (Don't tell anyone, but I think the operator is a bit of a doofus when it comes to techie stuff)!
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Welcome back, Napia5!
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Napia5 wrote:
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Official news (IIP) that Kelsey Kay was indeed a plant from PMF. Are we powerful, or what?? haha

Thanks for the hug, tamale. I can always use them.

And here I thought that Kelsey Kay was The Machine!!! (just kidding).

A plant? Like a Venus Flytrap?

Why can't they get it through their collective heads that SHE is not the issue here. HE is.


Anything to take the focus off the two stupid killers. RIP Meredith Kercher
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Napia5 wrote:
Hello, all. Belated holiday and Birthday greetings!

Ugh. Just ugh at all of the current goings-on.

The old fogey in me is always alarmed at the "Instant, intimate, internet connections". I know that it is the way of the world these days, but I can't help but feel that this form of hook-up is often foolhardy, often potentially dangerous, even more so if there are children involved. How would you ever know if you are connecting with a rapist or murderer?

The young woman's motives are really of no interest to me. Sollecito's motives, however, are. He may as well just walk into the courtroom with a big "flight risk" sign stamped on his forehead. Good Lord, how slimy can a person get?

Anyway, amidst all of the flu and viruses running rampant through my house, my person, and my computer of late, I wanted to take a moment to thank all of our posters who have tirelessly managed to keep us up-to-date on all of the court proceedings and the latest debacle.

I must admit, though, it's a difficult read at times. I see that Papa is still attempting damage control. If this were a real circus, he would certainly be the juggler. Or the guy who sweeps up after the elephants. Either way, it appears to be a bigger job than he can handle.


Hi Napia!

It's good to read you! Glad you are back.

We are looking forward to hear the verdict on Jan 30. Knox's lawyers are scheduled for rebuttal that day and after that the judges are going into deliberations. Hopefully there will be a verdict that same day.
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Thank you, Ergon. Birthday Greetings!

Excellent article on TJMK about Frank. Congratulations.
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Nell wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Hello, all. Belated holiday and Birthday greetings!

Ugh. Just ugh at all of the current goings-on.

The old fogey in me is always alarmed at the "Instant, intimate, internet connections". I know that it is the way of the world these days, but I can't help but feel that this form of hook-up is often foolhardy, often potentially dangerous, even more so if there are children involved. How would you ever know if you are connecting with a rapist or murderer?

The young woman's motives are really of no interest to me. Sollecito's motives, however, are. He may as well just walk into the courtroom with a big "flight risk" sign stamped on his forehead. Good Lord, how slimy can a person get?

Anyway, amidst all of the flu and viruses running rampant through my house, my person, and my computer of late, I wanted to take a moment to thank all of our posters who have tirelessly managed to keep us up-to-date on all of the court proceedings and the latest debacle.

I must admit, though, it's a difficult read at times. I see that Papa is still attempting damage control. If this were a real circus, he would certainly be the juggler. Or the guy who sweeps up after the elephants. Either way, it appears to be a bigger job than he can handle.


Hi Napia!

It's good to read you! Glad you are back.

We are looking forward to hear the verdict on Jan 30. Knox's lawyers are scheduled for rebuttal that day and after that the judges are going into deliberations. Hopefully there will be a verdict that same day.


Hi, Nell. Happy Birthday to you also. Good to be back.

I've been keeping up as best as I can, but so much is happening. I AM curious about one thing: has Vanessa been attending any of the proceedings? I have been thinking about her role in all of this lately, and wonder if she has been publicly showing her support for her brother.
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Haven't seen Vanessa there, Napia5.
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Haven't seen Vanessa there, Napia5.


I find this rather surprising for some reason.
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I think she's become a recluse. Not surprising. They won't be attending final sessions either.
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All I hope is that Stephanie and Lyle Kercher will be there. Not having any of the murderers or their families there at the same time will be just fine with me.
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I think she's become a recluse. Not surprising. They won't be attending final sessions either.


Well, I'm surprised. I thought that she was the scrapper of the family. Seems to me if she thinks he is innocent, she'd be advocating for her little brother all over the place. I read an interview with her not too long ago where she stated that she was so worried about her father's health. She also gave the impression that she had been unfairly squeezed out of her job. I wouldn't have thought that she was the type to give up and walk away from a fight. Maybe she's not so sure he's innocent? Just speculation, of course. Strikes me as odd.
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Hi, Nell. Happy Birthday to you also.

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Thank you so much Napia!
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I think she's become a recluse. Not surprising. They won't be attending final sessions either.


Well, I'm surprised. I thought that she was the scrapper of the family. Seems to me if she thinks he is innocent, she'd be advocating for her little brother all over the place. I read an interview with her not too long ago where she stated that she was so worried about her father's health. She also gave the impression that she had been unfairly squeezed out of her job. I wouldn't have thought that she was the type to give up and walk away from a fight. Maybe she's not so sure he's innocent? Just speculation, of course. Strikes me as odd.


Raffaele Sollecito has damaged his family enormously. Not only financially but also emotionally. I reckon that even though they keep up the appearances, the relationships in the family are strained. They know what he did.

First thing papa Sollecito did in a prison visit was reproaching his son for breaking his promise to never use drugs again. He let him know what he thought about that and he didn't hold back his opinion about his girlfriend Amanda Knox either.

Imagine how they are going to talk with him when they are not recorded by prison staff.

Vanessa lost her job because she tried to influence the investigation behind the scenes. She did that on behest of her father who tried to protect Raffaele Sollecito. There was no one there to protect her. She got caught and she paid the price. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of bitterness involved.

Someone on .org posted some time ago she published some ads offering her services as "personal trainer" or something similar. It seemed pretty desperate.
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tamale wrote:
Hi Zorba...I laughed when I read my lame defense of KK. Now that I have had my coffee, I will say She was quite abusive to RS...she is no prize, but she has a chance to grow up.
I believe she knew more than she admits...maybe the last conversation was planned by KK as she already contacted Radar online.
Let's see what happens..



Hi Tamale,

Let's go for the compassionate path.

There are two paths, they lead to the same place, one has heart, the other does not.

I like that idea.

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Is there anyone else who thinks that Amanda Knox is suspiciously quiet after the latest revelations about Raffaele Sollecito?

She maintains a blog trying to pretend she cares about injustice and wrongful convictions in the world, but she won't say a word in support of Raffaele Sollecito.

I find it astonishing, especially since they both have assured the world how close they remain after their release. Not that I believe that.
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Nell wrote:
Is there anyone else who thinks that Amanda Knox is suspiciously quiet after the latest revelations about Raffaele Sollecito?

She maintains a blog trying to pretend she cares about injustice and wrongful convictions in the world, but she won't say a word in support of Raffaele Sollecito.

I find it astonishing, especially since they both have assured the world how close they remain after their release. Not that I believe that.


I think her family may have chained her up in the cellar.

Au revoir

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This young lady's background, motives and character don't matter a jot. All that matters are those text messages that give the message loud and clear: Sollecito knows full well that he's done for in court and has been wetting his pants and desperately looking for a way out. That plan includes getting into a foreign country by hook or by crook and he doesn't care who he hurts along the way. His seedy financial shenanigans are just the icing on the cake. The revelations are well timed (Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned and who sees a paid interview. Ironic huh?) and reveal his character and his real risk of flight. The Dominican Republic trips can be argued as holidays or work but this can't. It also shows that he knows he cannot trust connections or influence to get him out of it now and he's constantly in need of a change of trousers as he scuttles back and forth in a desperate search for likely collaborators. Run Rabbit Run!
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Omicidio Meredith, Francesco Sollecito: "Mio figlio non sarà in aula"
Il padre del giovane imputato per l’omicidio della studentessa britannica Meredith Kercher, dà ampio sfoggio di serenità e sicurezza a pochi giorni dalla decisione della corte d’assise d’appello di Firenze
di Gigi Paoli, Firenze, 25 gennaio 2014
http://www.lanazione.it/cronaca/2014/01 ... idio.shtml


Papa Doc:
"Raffaele is in no psychological condition to sustain a long wait as the one that is expected on the day of judgment. Therefore he will almost certainly be waiting at home down in Puglia.
...
He adds that "at the end of March his son will discuss the thesis for his computer engineering degree in Verona and so has more important things to think about than run away... ."
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zorba wrote:
tamale wrote:
Hi Zorba...I laughed when I read my lame defense of KK. Now that I have had my coffee, I will say She was quite abusive to RS...she is no prize, but she has a chance to grow up.
I believe she knew more than she admits...maybe the last conversation was planned by KK as she already contacted Radar online.
Let's see what happens..



Hi Tamale,

Let's go for the compassionate path.

There are two paths, they lead to the same place, one has heart, the other does not.

I like that idea.



Don't judge KK too hard! All she has done is believing the stupid crap and lies what FOA, CNN, ABC, FOX and whatever Media have been preaching for years! Who remembers that silly comments from Eliztabeth Vargas (I think she was the one) how good she felt with Raffaele in the Elevator. Perfect Gentleman indeed! ff)

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I think it was Jane Velez-Mitchell from HLN, Pelerine. Doesn't matter really.
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zorba wrote:
Nell wrote:
Is there anyone else who thinks that Amanda Knox is suspiciously quiet after the latest revelations about Raffaele Sollecito?

She maintains a blog trying to pretend she cares about injustice and wrongful convictions in the world, but she won't say a word in support of Raffaele Sollecito.

I find it astonishing, especially since they both have assured the world how close they remain after their release. Not that I believe that.


I think her family may have chained her up in the cellar.

Au revoir


She might be busy studying maps in search of places she could flee to...
Seriously, I'm not surprised she doesn't support Raffaele after the latest revelations. Maybe she thinks she scored a point here.
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Nell wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
Ergon wrote:
I think she's become a recluse. Not surprising. They won't be attending final sessions either.


Well, I'm surprised. I thought that she was the scrapper of the family. Seems to me if she thinks he is innocent, she'd be advocating for her little brother all over the place. I read an interview with her not too long ago where she stated that she was so worried about her father's health. She also gave the impression that she had been unfairly squeezed out of her job. I wouldn't have thought that she was the type to give up and walk away from a fight. Maybe she's not so sure he's innocent? Just speculation, of course. Strikes me as odd.


Raffaele Sollecito has damaged his family enormously. Not only financially but also emotionally. I reckon that even though they keep up the appearances, the relationships in the family are strained. They know what he did.

First thing papa Sollecito did in a prison visit was reproaching his son for breaking his promise to never use drugs again. He let him know what he thought about that and he didn't hold back his opinion about his girlfriend Amanda Knox either.

Imagine how they are going to talk with him when they are not recorded by prison staff.

Vanessa lost her job because she tried to influence the investigation behind the scenes. She did that on behest of her father who tried to protect Raffaele Sollecito. There was no one there to protect her. She got caught and she paid the price. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of bitterness involved.

Someone on .org posted some time ago she published some ads offering her services as "personal trainer" or something similar. It seemed pretty desperate.


Nell, I believe that this is truly the heart of the matter. Wayward brother is in trouble, gets a book deal, jets all over, vacations, Burning Man, becomes romantically involved God-knows-how-many-times, and it's "Oh, poor Raffaele", while sister seems banished to the hinterlands, struggling to re-invent her life, as reward for her family loyalty. Bitterness, indeed.
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I hope ol' Stint and the lovely Cape have been able to follow the latest twists and turns despite the emotional drain induced by the highly effective but terribly repugnant and disingenuous Knox PR campaign.

I think there is a very good chance that my old pals are about to get some wonderful news next week.

And speaking of great posters, where is Louie these days?
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zorba wrote:
tamale wrote:
[reverso][/reverso]
Ergon wrote:
I would like to know how much Radar Online paid her for her story


Haha. She seems a little insistent to drag fight out as long as possible. She covers the same bases more than once...Nobody likes being lied to...on the other hand she changes her story from sepsis to a kidney surgery. I think they are made for each other..



Sepsis is blood poisoning Tamale so it is a thing that affects both liver and kidneys

Sepsis as in septic


Of course...thanks
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zorba wrote:
tamale wrote:
[reverso][/reverso]
Ergon wrote:
I would like to know how much Radar Online paid her for her story


Haha. She seems a little insistent to drag fight out as long as possible. She covers the same bases more than once...Nobody likes being lied to...on the other hand she changes her story from sepsis to a kidney surgery. I think they are made for each other..



This is a bit much coming from you Tamale, considering you supported Frank Sfarzo, paid for his airline fare, and accommodation then provided Ergon with all kinds of details about him when things didn't tuirn out nicely.

Have a heart because Ergon did show you one.
You have no right to laugh at her distress.


I think you have it wrong...I am not making fun of Kelsey...I am making fun of the circus. You are not the moral police, so quit jumping on me for my posts. I have every right to express myself without your judgment. I just unblocked you yesterday and already you are nagging me. Stop.
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Pelerine wrote:
zorba wrote:
tamale wrote:
Hi Zorba...I laughed when I read my lame defense of KK. Now that I have had my coffee, I will say She was quite abusive to RS...she is no prize, but she has a chance to grow up.
I believe she knew more than she admits...maybe the last conversation was planned by KK as she already contacted Radar online.
Let's see what happens..



Hi Tamale,

Let's go for the compassionate path.

There are two paths, they lead to the same place, one has heart, the other does not.

I like that idea.



Don't judge KK too hard! All she has done is believing the stupid crap and lies what FOA, CNN, ABC, FOX and whatever Media have been preaching for years! Who remembers that silly comments from Eliztabeth Vargas (I think she was the one) how good she felt with Raffaele in the Elevator. Perfect Gentleman indeed! ff)

Thank you...I guess I got carried away...I do have compassion for Kelsey, which I have stated. Sometimes we come off a little flip when we don't really mean harm. My official apologies to Kelsey...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Pelerine wrote:
zorba wrote:
tamale wrote:
Hi Zorba...I laughed when I read my lame defense of KK. Now that I have had my coffee, I will say She was quite abusive to RS...she is no prize, but she has a chance to grow up.
I believe she knew more than she admits...maybe the last conversation was planned by KK as she already contacted Radar online.
Let's see what happens..



Hi Tamale,

Let's go for the compassionate path.

There are two paths, they lead to the same place, one has heart, the other does not.

I like that idea.



Don't judge KK too hard! All she has done is believing the stupid crap and lies what FOA, CNN, ABC, FOX and whatever Media have been preaching for years! Who remembers that silly comments from Eliztabeth Vargas (I think she was the one) how good she felt with Raffaele in the Elevator. Perfect Gentleman indeed! ff)


Hi Pelerine...I think everybody got only part of my KK post. IIP has been suggesting KK and I were both plants. You did not see me mention that crap. So, in fact, we have been thrown together thru no doing on our part. For that reason, I know what KK feels like today...is that not compassion?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

SqueakEMouse wrote:
This young lady's background, motives and character don't matter a jot. All that matters are those text messages that give the message loud and clear: Sollecito knows full well that he's done for in court and has been wetting his pants and desperately looking for a way out. That plan includes getting into a foreign country by hook or by crook and he doesn't care who he hurts along the way. His seedy financial shenanigans are just the icing on the cake. The revelations are well timed (Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned and who sees a paid interview. Ironic huh?) and reveal his character and his real risk of flight. The Dominican Republic trips can be argued as holidays or work but this can't. It also shows that he knows he cannot trust connections or influence to get him out of it now and he's constantly in need of a change of trousers as he scuttles back and forth in a desperate search for likely collaborators. Run Rabbit Run!


Yes, SqueakE. I agree with your comment 100%.

Perhaps it would be best if the groupies just chalked it up to a 'quirky, naïve American girl, wanting to explore her sexuality', and let it go at that. There might be a book in there somewhere, but I've heard that these stories don't sell well. hbc)
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Some thoughts about the precautionary measures requested by the prosecution at the last hearing:

If there is a conviction and if the judges decide to grant the request from the prosecution, then there are different measures that can be imposed to ensure Sollecito will not escape justice.

The least restricting measure would be seizing his passport. Other options are house arrest and arrest to be send to prison.


I wonder if seizing his passport is still an option after everything that has been revealed lately.

Raffaele Sollecito has tried to establish links to countries that are less likely to grant extradition than others. Recently the news broke he has been trying to arrange a marriage of convenience in an attempt to avoid extradition. Marrying another person with the sole purpose to obtain residence or citizenship is a crime. So he has already demonstrated he is willing to lie and to falsify documents if needed. Should they take his passport, he might as well just go shopping for a new one plus a wig.

I wonder if this will be taken into consideration.
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Pelerine wrote:
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Who remembers that silly comments from Eliztabeth Vargas (I think she was the one) how good she felt with Raffaele in the Elevator. Perfect Gentleman indeed! ff)


Elevators have been the ideal place to get to know each other...
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I think at this stage, we are all ready to feel compassion, for what Meredith went through, for the Kerchers, for all the people who got attacked by the FOA, for Peter and Bettina/tamale, who paid a heavy price for their belief in Amanda Knox's innocence, and if we feel it for them, then we should feel the same for Kelsey Kay. (I even feel that for Michelle Moore, oddly enough :)

Having read Kelsey's blog, she does have a lovely writing style, and I hope she pursues that. All of us who believe in justice for Meredith Kercher, let's hope this is the year we see the end of this very painful process.
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Ergon wrote:
I think at this stage, we are all ready to feel compassion, for what Meredith went through, for the Kerchers, for all the people who got attacked by the FOA, for Peter and Bettina/tamale, who paid a heavy price for their belief in Amanda Knox's innocence, and if we feel it for them, then we should feel the same for Kelsey Kay. (I even feel that for Michelle Moore, oddly enough :)

Having read Kelsey's blog, she does have a lovely writing style, and I hope she pursues that. All of us who believe in justice for Meredith Kercher, let's hope this is the year we see the end of this very painful process.


I agree with both heart and head!

About Michelle Celestial Easterly Moore, I believe that she is rather resistant to change and refuse to accept evidences. Her support for Amanda is nothing short of illogical compassion that defies common sense!

Give me three solid convincing reasons and I shall change shamelessly to the other side!
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@Tamale

I am sorry that I have disturbed you with my comment.
ss)
I should have posted it as "standalone" without quoting you or anybody else.

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On the day that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito stand finally convicted for their crimes, I will feel compassion for them, too.
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Nothing of note in this article; just something to pass the time while waiting for the verdict:

Heartwarming friendship of wrongly convicted Ryan Ferguson and Amanda Knox as the 29-year-old jailed for 10 years reveals how Amanda's book got him through the hardest days

PUBLISHED: 18:56 GMT, 25 January 2014

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THE DAILY MAIL
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:02 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Mark Olshaker's critique of Andrea Vogt's article (published Jan.16 in The Week):

Pandering to Existing Beliefs
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January 22, 2014

MINDHUNTERS

(Strangely, he didn't even bother to include a link to her article.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:10 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

French TV documentary that aired on the channel France2 Jan 25 (duration: 35 min)

L'affaire Amanda Knox

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ETA: Summary of the French TV program by homegrown of .org.

Post by homegrown » 26 Jan 2014, 01:37
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I watched this French program so you don’t have to.
http://www.france2.fr/emissions/13h15-le-samedi-le-dimanche
The case on French television with exclusive interviews with Biff and Anita.
Spezi : the great fault of Amanda is to have been beautiful.
AK says (hard to tell precisely with the voice over) « I had no idea what was in this room, I wasn’t even there when the police [opened the door]. And so when the police told us to leave, I didn’t even know what was happening, I only understood some words : blood, and a foot, and Meredith, and closet, and a body and I felt lost.

A homeless man saw AK, RS and a black man….
After 15 hours of interrogation, she caves in and says she was at the house with RS and Patrick and that Patrick locked himself in the room with Meredith. Then she heard the scream.
The prosecution claimed it was a satanic evening.
Maresca is translated as saying « This was a sexual game that went badly and to which Meredith did not consent. »
Don Saulo did you see the devil in jail ? The priest answers she could never have done this as slashing with a knife is not like pressing a trigger from a distance.
An infinitesimal quantity of Biff's dna on the bra clasp and the dna on the knife « resembled » Meredith's...
A pathologist by name of Patumi says knife was not cleaned and should have had much more blood so could not be murder weapon.
Maresca says if Rudy did it alone he must have been an octopus.
« Industrial quantities » of Rudy and Meredith’s DNA, scientifically the rest it does not hold up as appeal showed.
Bongiorno herself was nearly a victim as the crowd ignorant of the real facts wanted to lynch the poor defenses after the Helman acquital.
But then appeal quashed. No discussion of grounds for Cassation's decision.
Spezi then chimes in about witch hunts of old and how Perugia is after all a mid-evil town.
Voice over conclusion : « Will they be found guilty once again ? No matter what, there will forever remain doubts. »
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http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?p=156315#p156315
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Pelerine wrote:
@Tamale

I am sorry that I have disturbed you with my comment.
ss)
I should have posted it as "standalone" without quoting you or anybody else.

Thank you...
More so, the judgements on my character/motive from another, anger me.
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The France 2 documentary is graced by Mario Spezi telling us what a horrible person Mignini is, coincidentally with Amanda Knox's ECHR filing in Strasbourg, and his own legal difficulties pertaining to the MOF investigation. Coinciding with a new website with "Lisa and Mike", to tell us that a) Mignini is a horrible person, and b) Breaking News: George Clooney is making the MOF movie, which is in production! (No, it isn't)
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Ergon wrote:
I think at this stage, we are all ready to feel compassion, for what Meredith went through, for the Kerchers, for all the people who got attacked by the FOA, for Peter and Bettina/tamale, who paid a heavy price for their belief in Amanda Knox's innocence, and if we feel it for them, then we should feel the same for Kelsey Kay. (I even feel that for Michelle Moore, oddly enough :)

Having read Kelsey's blog, she does have a lovely writing style, and I hope she pursues that. All of us who believe in justice for Meredith Kercher, let's hope this is the year we see the end of this very painful process.


Thanks..I am so over that. Those who criticize my efforts to buy FS an air ticket don't know I have always been on team Meredith...even when I did not know.
pp-( pp-( pp-(
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Ergon wrote:
On the day that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito stand finally convicted for their crimes, I will feel compassion for them, too.


My feelings as well...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

The latest, Jan 26 update by Andrea Vogt:

Amanda Knox Appeal II / Meredith Kercher Murder
Update: Jan. 26, 2014
By Andrea Vogt

But while the presiding judge is strict about not letting any antics unfold in the hearings, the story continues to take a number of bizarre twists outside the court. The latest being an exclusive interview given to Radar Online by a young American single mom named Kelsey Kay...


THE FREELANCE DESK
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The Machine is the hero of Twitter
He sure is a feisty go-gitter.
He gives FOAKers hell,
Especially Michelle
And it makes the old broad really bitter! sp)
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Unrepentant! Amanda Knox’s Ex, Raffaele Sollecito, Never Apologized To Green Card Girlfriend For Ensnaring Her In Marriage Contract Scam
Posted on Jan 27, 2014 @ 4:02AM | By Lindsey DiMattina
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/ ... y-letters/

“I have received no apology from him for leading me on, and no apology for my feelings in all of this,” she said. “While he is undoubtedly innocent in my mind concerning the murder of Meredith Kercher, he is not innocent in toying with my heart and emotions.”
She continued, “I gave him every opportunity to explain himself to me and he has shown me no remorse or kindness.”

Even worse, Sollecito downplayed their love to Radar, saying in a statement that “there’s nothing that went to real with Kelsey, even if my interest for her was strong and I attempted to date and get to know her.”
Kay insists, “In response to Raffaele’s comment, I’m offended at the way he has minimized the situation. Even if his feelings were not as genuine as he lead me to believe, the proof is in the (now public) text messages.”

Sollecito’s lack of apology has been especially surprising to Kay, Radar has learned, because shortly after she refused to marry him, he desperately plead to her friend Shelly Green to help him win Kay back.
“I’m just begging her to know me better and then I’ll try to come back,” Sollecito wrote to Green in a series of desperate Facebook messages back in July after he visited Kay her hometown of Coeur D’Alene, Idaho. “Is there any possibility to convince her to see me even if it’s the last time?”

Now, nearly six months later, Sollecito has chosen to downplay his relationship with Kay, but she still hopes that he will be proven innocent.
“I wish him well in the retrial, and hope he will reconsider his statements minimizing our endeavor and his actions,” she says.
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Amanda Knox exposed by presumed accomplice before verdict
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Ava wrote:
Unrepentant! Amanda Knox’s Ex, Raffaele Sollecito, Never Apologized To Green Card Girlfriend For Ensnaring Her In Marriage Contract Scam
Posted on Jan 27, 2014 @ 4:02AM | By Lindsey DiMattina
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/ ... y-letters/

“I have received no apology from him for leading me on, and no apology for my feelings in all of this,” she said. “While he is undoubtedly innocent in my mind concerning the murder of Meredith Kercher, he is not innocent in toying with my heart and emotions.”
She continued, “I gave him every opportunity to explain himself to me and he has shown me no remorse or kindness.”

Even worse, Sollecito downplayed their love to Radar, saying in a statement that “there’s nothing that went to real with Kelsey, even if my interest for her was strong and I attempted to date and get to know her.”
Kay insists, “In response to Raffaele’s comment, I’m offended at the way he has minimized the situation. Even if his feelings were not as genuine as he lead me to believe, the proof is in the (now public) text messages.”

Sollecito’s lack of apology has been especially surprising to Kay, Radar has learned, because shortly after she refused to marry him, he desperately plead to her friend Shelly Green to help him win Kay back.
“I’m just begging her to know me better and then I’ll try to come back,” Sollecito wrote to Green in a series of desperate Facebook messages back in July after he visited Kay her hometown of Coeur D’Alene, Idaho. “Is there any possibility to convince her to see me even if it’s the last time?”

Now, nearly six months later, Sollecito has chosen to downplay his relationship with Kay, but she still hopes that he will be proven innocent.
“I wish him well in the retrial, and hope he will reconsider his statements minimizing our endeavor and his actions,” she says.



How can I say, oh yeah, I wouldn't believe a WORD he says, ever, self-pitying fucker.

Kay Kels eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

obviously needs to have a moment of dawning that if she thinks he only lies to little girls to get visas and passport and citizenship, what is it then that makes her think, that he would not do the same shit in other ways to others, and way way worse than her sad story. She has been playing with fire.

Have no idea what she has been reading, maybe it is the Daily Nitwits in Idaho, god knows, or maybe god doesn't know, but I know, she is as wrong as wrong gets about

In playing Mr Nice, he forgets one thing/detail, in his tiny mind, that is: the murder of Meredith Kercher, which he is fully responsible for.

I will buy him his very own anchor, one off a large cruse ship, and he is welcome to wear it like a bouquet about his neck and jump into the deepest ocean, that's where he might as well be soul-wise because he IS dead on his feet already. Thee people ARE the living DEAD.

Poor Kelsey but enough now of poor Kelsey, her poorness is nothing compared to what happened to Meredith.

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The France 2 documentary is graced by Mario Spezi telling us what a horrible person Mignini is, coincidentally with Amanda Knox's ECHR filing in Strasbourg, and his own legal difficulties pertaining to the MOF investigation. Coinciding with a new website with "Lisa and Mike", to tell us that a) Mignini is a horrible person, and b) Breaking News: George Clooney is making the MOF movie, which is in production! (No, it isn't)



Yes Mr Spezi imagines police and the law persons ought to provide him with massages and 20-course meals, while praising him, and every other person who breaks the law, if anyone should happen to get murdered then by all means, do allow Spezi to make up his own rules about all of that, as he undertakes his investigations and tells lies about things, turning up at murder scenes before the police are even there, which he DID, in one of the many, many murders where women had their genitals sliced off on full moon nights, etc., breasts, and men & women were mutilated, butchered too, murdered: Who the fuck does he think he is meddling with things like that? I have an anchor for him too, it's free.

I mean if several women have their breasts sliced off on full moon nights then any copper who failing to investigate what possibly could be the meaning of these vile acts of viciousness and depravity and horror, then that would be a no good cooper, of course anyone in their right mind is going to think of ritualistic murders as an option, it might then turn out to be just one lone nut, but it could be a number of things.

I do not want to but I'd almost start wishing people like these the very worst, but it isn't my problem; they'll get theirs yet.

They look alive but are dead inside, the heart is nowhere.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:31 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ava wrote:
Unrepentant! Amanda Knox’s Ex, Raffaele Sollecito, Never Apologized To Green Card Girlfriend For Ensnaring Her In Marriage Contract Scam
Posted on Jan 27, 2014 @ 4:02AM | By Lindsey DiMattina
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/ ... y-letters/

“I have received no apology from him for leading me on, and no apology for my feelings in all of this,” she said. “While he is undoubtedly innocent in my mind concerning the murder of Meredith Kercher, he is not innocent in toying with my heart and emotions.”
She continued, “I gave him every opportunity to explain himself to me and he has shown me no remorse or kindness.”


Thanks Ava! So, this is Part 2 of the Radar Exclusive we have been waiting for. ;) We can now read Sollecito's texts to Kelsey Kay's friend:

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/raffaele-conversation.pdf

I especially liked this bit:

'...after few days I decided to fly to Seattle, to stay with my friend Michael Heavey, who's a retired judge here in Seattle

and figure out what to do' ;)
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I keep getting logged out...is it something with pmf or my internet connection?
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I don't have problems logging in but the forum seems to be a little slower than usual today.
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guermantes wrote:
Ava wrote:
Unrepentant! Amanda Knox’s Ex, Raffaele Sollecito, Never Apologized To Green Card Girlfriend For Ensnaring Her In Marriage Contract Scam
Posted on Jan 27, 2014 @ 4:02AM | By Lindsey DiMattina
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/ ... y-letters/

“I have received no apology from him for leading me on, and no apology for my feelings in all of this,” she said. “While he is undoubtedly innocent in my mind concerning the murder of Meredith Kercher, he is not innocent in toying with my heart and emotions.”
She continued, “I gave him every opportunity to explain himself to me and he has shown me no remorse or kindness.”


Thanks Ava! So, this is Part 2 of the Radar Exclusive we have been waiting for. ;) We can now read Sollecito's texts to Kelsey Kay's friend:

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/raffaele-conversation.pdf

I especially liked this bit:

'...after few days I decided to fly to Seattle, to stay with my friend Michael Heavey, who's a retired judge here in Seattle

and figure out what to do' ;)



What an insufferable bastard he is.

Want to marry... bullshit, I feel for her, bullshit

I looked at Shelley the other day and what I was going to say here, a few days back, was I noticed that she looked like she IS in a very loving relationship, but for God's sake, helping him is not helping her friend Kelsey.

Sollecito will say whatever he thinks he needs to say to anyone anywhere to get what he needs. It is not to help others but to help himself.

He is a despicable, grovelling little man.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:01 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

A poorly researched article, posted on the UNC Law School's Blog:

History of United States' Extraditions Sheds Light on Knox's Prospects

A long-awaited verdict for American citizen Amanda Knox is expected from Italy’s highest court (sic) as soon as January 30, 2014.[1]
...
If the Italian Supreme Court finds Knox guilty, she faces the possibility of extradition.
...
Some critics speculate that the American prohibition of Double Jeopardy (being tried twice for the same crime) may create an exception allowing Knox to remain in the United States.[8] Other reasons offered to suggest that Knox will not be extradited include political biases,[9] Knox’s popularity in America, and the American public’s belief in her innocence.[10]
...
Ultimately, though the American media remains skeptical about the possibility of Knox’s extradition, the United States government has yet to comment on the matter, and the final decision falls to Secretary of State, John Kerry.[19]


UNC INT'L LAW JOURNAL*)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:33 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

jaybee51 wrote:
And then there is this comment:

Stephanie Meade

6:20 PM on 22/1/2014


I'm from Spokane, Washington and worked at the golf course in Couer D'Alene for several years where I met Kelsey. One day she told me she had a terminal illness and I told her I'd do anything to help her out. She was crying and needed money to pay for life saving treatment. Then I found out it wasn't true. To this day I don't know why she told me that. I'm glad I live far away from her...she actually scared me, and I still think about her child with concern.


That is outrageous and an affront to all the humans who struggle daily to survive their ordeals.
Thanks Stephanie. pp-(
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Ava wrote:
I keep getting logged out...is it something with pmf or my internet connection?


Hi Ava...I got logged out a few times yesterday.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:25 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
A poorly researched article, posted on the UNC Law School's Blog:

History of United States' Extraditions Sheds Light on Knox's Prospects

A long-awaited verdict for American citizen Amanda Knox is expected from Italy’s highest court (sic) as soon as January 30, 2014.[1]
...
If the Italian Supreme Court finds Knox guilty, she faces the possibility of extradition.
...
Some critics speculate that the American prohibition of Double Jeopardy (being tried twice for the same crime) may create an exception allowing Knox to remain in the United States.[8] Other reasons offered to suggest that Knox will not be extradited include political biases,[9] Knox’s popularity in America, and the American public’s belief in her innocence.[10]
...
Ultimately, though the American media remains skeptical about the possibility of Knox’s extradition, the United States government has yet to comment on the matter, and the final decision falls to Secretary of State, John Kerry.[19]


UNC INT'L LAW JOURNAL*)
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*) The North Carolina Journal of International Law and Commercial Regulation (ILJ) is a student-run legal journal at the University of North Carolina School of Law in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.


I would like to read more of the linked article, but the link doesn't work. I've tried a number of variations on two different computers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:58 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

guermantes wrote:
Ava wrote:
Unrepentant! Amanda Knox’s Ex, Raffaele Sollecito, Never Apologized To Green Card Girlfriend For Ensnaring Her In Marriage Contract Scam
Posted on Jan 27, 2014 @ 4:02AM | By Lindsey DiMattina
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/ ... y-letters/

“I have received no apology from him for leading me on, and no apology for my feelings in all of this,” she said. “While he is undoubtedly innocent in my mind concerning the murder of Meredith Kercher, he is not innocent in toying with my heart and emotions.”
She continued, “I gave him every opportunity to explain himself to me and he has shown me no remorse or kindness.”


Thanks Ava! So, this is Part 2 of the Radar Exclusive we have been waiting for. ;) We can now read Sollecito's texts to Kelsey Kay's friend:

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/raffaele-conversation.pdf

I especially liked this bit:

'...after few days I decided to fly to Seattle, to stay with my friend Michael Heavey, who's a retired judge here in Seattle

and figure out what to do' ;)


Finally this leaked chat between Sollecito and Shelley Green reveals what Sollecito meant when he texted Kelsey about a "reconciliation".

It puts things into perspective: He wanted to marry her desperately and he did not reveal that he only wanted to marry her for a visa. She, like any normal person, was shocked and declined. He then contacted Shelley for help to intervene and influence her friend.

That's the next blow for Francesco Sollecito.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Jeez... a quick google by dumbo-RS would have told him the first steps to possibly avoiding whatever he thinks he may be able to avoid. Not just getting married.

These things these killers do and say... OJ, S.Peterson, J.Arias, these two. I am amazed to no end.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:40 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

dgfred wrote:
Jeez... a quick google by dumbo-RS would have told him the first steps to possibly avoiding whatever he thinks he may be able to avoid. Not just getting married.

These things these killers do and say... OJ, S.Peterson, J.Arias, these two. I am amazed to no end.


I am surprised too that this guy is an IT student.

I can only imagine how dumbfounded his lawyers must have been when they were presented with the idea to draft up a pre-nuptial agreement and had to tell him that this would not be the solution for his problems.

All this information is just a click away, but he couldn't be bothered.

Raffaele Sollecito doesn't only seem entitled and arrogant, he is also very lazy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

My new article on TJMK: http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php ... /#comments .

"An Investigation Into The Large Knife Provides Further Proof That This Was THE Knife"

Will post the photos later, here's the video:
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As always, the Meredith Kercher community of PMF and TMOMK is also welcome to repost this video.
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The Knox supporters declare that Laura and Filomena never gave Dna analyses for comparison.

On Sun 12 January at 7.38 pm MisterPink posted a list of questions for Dr Balding on .org.
Attached to this is a report which gives the Dna profile of Guede ,Knox, Sollecito, Kercher and Romanelli.

Where did this report come from? Because it is surely proof that Filomena's Dna WAS collected and used for analysis.

I am also curious about question 7. This seeks Balding's opinion on nullomer tagging. As tagging is the brainchild of Hampikian, this suggests to me that MisterPink's questions originate from the dark side and Hampikian's ego was not to be denied! He wanted to know what Balding thought of his idea.


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Nice job over at TJMK, Ergon. Can't wait for part two....
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Napia5 wrote:
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He sure is a feisty go-gitter.
He gives FOAKers hell,
Especially Michelle
And it makes the old broad really bitter! sp)


pp-( pp-(
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:06 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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I am sorry that I have disturbed you with my comment.
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I should have posted it as "standalone" without quoting you or anybody else.


Pelerine..your comment in no way upset me. Words on pages often become misconstrued.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:42 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox Confides in Ryan Ferguson, Who Was Wrongly Convicted of Murder
By Alyssa Newcomb @AlyssaNewcomb
Jan 27, 2014

Knox has also befriended Ray Spencer, a former Vancouver, Wash., police officer who spent two decades trying to clear his name after he was wrongfully sent to prison for allegedly sexually abusing his young children.
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In January, Knox appeared in court alongside Spencer’s wife to support him in a civil trial against the Clark County Sheriff’s Office.


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I would like to read more of the linked article, but the link doesn't work. I've tried a number of variations on two different computers.


Hi Jester,

I don't know why the link doesn't work for you. It does for me. I've sent you a PM. ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:18 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Quick update....the boards (iipers) are coming unglued. The arguement is turning nasty and ugly. Noel seems to be losing composure..

Prepare yourselves for the hysteria coming. I am not you mom...but polite responses to trolls seem to drive them nuts. pp-( pp-(
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:20 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

In other news:

Teen Sheila Eddy Pleads Guilty To Brutal Murder Of Former Best Friend
January 26, 2014

Sheila Eddy appeared emotionless as she stood in court Friday, pleading guilty to the stabbing death of her former best friend and being sentenced to life in prison.

Eddy and Rachel Shoaf, both 18, confessed to luring Skylar Neese to accompany them for a drive into the rural Pennsylvania mountains, not far from Morgantown, West Virginia where they all lived, and then repeatedly stabbing her.

Eddy even went to the Neese home to comfort Sheila’s concerned parents as the days dragged on with her missing.
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Eddy will be eligible for parole in 15 years.


RADAR ONLINE

Amanda Knox should consider herself lucky that she is being tried for murder in Italy and not in the United States. Had she committed a murder in her home country, she would have been sentenced to life in prison.
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Jester wrote:
zorba wrote:
Jester wrote:
Nell wrote:
For me, the most telling moment is when she asks him why he hasn't contacted her and he explains he was "down". When she keeps asking what it is that troubles him, he lets her know that the plan he had concocted will not work like he had hoped and that he just found out that marrying her will not protect him from Italian justice.

She reacts shocked that this is the only reason he considered marriage, but apparently he thinks he deserves some sympathy here.

So basically, he expects her to be supportive because he's frustrated finding out she won't be useful to him. How nice is that? How sensitive.


Sollecito is obviously very troubled about his predicament. His sole objective seems to be to figure out how to avoid the consequences of a guilty verdict. Kelsey asks him to tell her what's going on with the case, but she seems to have no interest in comprehending the tremendous stress he feels. I think it was a plan, from the beginning, to sell the story. I think that her feigned interest in what's happening in his private life is to get the inside scoop about his plans related to the trial.

Knox and Sollecito both expect that people from the US will pamper them, as that is what they've experienced since the day of the murder. Kelsey, a single mother that works six days a week, said that she wants to give him money to help him escape justice. She said all the right things to lure him in. He pounced, thinking that breaking the law again, with a fake marriage, would solve his problems. I don't believe for a moment that Kelsey ever believed that a marriage proposal, after knowing someone only a couple of days, was anything but a business contract, yet she acts like a jilted woman. If she truly believed that marrying a stranger was a good idea, she would have gone to the hotel to see him. As I see it, she didn't show up, so she broke it off. He left the country, and more or less terminated the contact. Then we see the yoyo string come out, where she pleads with him to respond, claims that she's in the hospital dying, and he responds. Then she brings up marriage again. When he tells her that he doesn't really know her and is upset that she stood him up, she keeps tugging at the yoyo string. When she realizes that she's been dumped and he's moved on, well, the rest is history. She collected her big fat cheque from the tabloid and she's had her 15 minutes of fame. I would steer clear of a woman like that. Sollecito sure knows how to pick them! I wonder what the DR woman is like, given Sollecito's history.



If I am not reading the reports incorrectly, you have understood a couple of things incorrectly.

She did not know he was into marrying her.
And when he made that clear, she was shocked, since she knew what his plan was with Knox, at that point she backed away.
She empathised with him, because she had taken the blame for her ex, for something to do with theft.
She received community service.
This according to her.

Will need to know more facts in order to fully understand it though, until then, I am not condemning her for bad behaviour.
I can imagine her relating to him in some strange way if she did tell the police the truth at least, and still ended up with a record.
That would be why she felt bad and related to him, at that level.

I may be entirely wrong with my view thus far, and if I am I will admit it.


It's true that I could not read all of the nonsense between the two, as it became clear to me as I read the texts that she was attempting to guilt trip him for starting a relationship with another woman in another country after she stood him up at the hotel. I can't believe that she was jealous and angry when she learned that he also proposed to Knox. How could she be jealous when she hardly knew Sollecito. This woman is not young and naive, in my opinion. She is calculating, ruthless, and she's clawing her way through life.

Your right in some ways..young women do not always process their feelings in the honorable way. As far as her criminal thing...lots of young people make mistakes. Yeah, she is being kinda nutty, but I forgive her because she did not have fore knowledge of the shit she started for herself. I never threatened to investigate her and then demand people be kind to her like hypocrites on this board. It will unfold naturally. Mostly I was struck by the stupid opinion RS and FS have of other women, and it is so similiar. Thanks Kellsey for letting us know the real RS...no matter your motives.
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Well, I think it has been sufficiently established through the text messages that it was Raffaele Sollecito who pretended to start a "real" relationship plus the wish (demand?) to marry her without disclosing what the real purpose of this marriage was at least not in the beginning.

She was inclined to meet him and to get to know him, but not to marry him and she made that clear as the message exchange between Sollecito and Kelsey's friend Shelley prove. Sollecito then focuses on his feelings for Kelsey to be convincing and get what he wants, the marriage.

So Zorba, Ergon and Michael were right not to jump to conclusions and give Kelsey Kay the benefit of doubt. Funny they are all men.

:D

It appears that even if Kelsey Kay would have been willing to marry him to help him, she would have done it because she had romantic feelings for him. Sollecito on the other hand lost interest the moment she was no longer useful for him. She is only upset because he didn't even let her know, she had to find out by herself, probably alerted by the photos that were published in December.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:26 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Regarding Kelsey Kay and her surgery, she wrote a message on Twitter that she had in fact been sick. It is not made up. She uploaded a photo to make her point.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:33 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ergon wrote:
My new article on TJMK: http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php ... /#comments .

"An Investigation Into The Large Knife Provides Further Proof That This Was THE Knife"

Will post the photos later, here's the video:


Hi Ergon,

That is a very keen observation from you. How many times have I looked at that photo and wondered about it. Now that I've seen your video, I always see two shapes.

The same happened to me with the photo of the bidet. I never saw the visible border until Michael pointed it out to me. Someone had wiped the bidet clean.

Excellent.

I am looking forward to your next article.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:52 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Thanks, Nell. The little messages we get in this case; photographs that reveal what we might have missed before.

I've had a lot of experience capturing phenomena on camera. One picture of my daughter, lightning shooting out of her hand :)
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I also have the right to say what I feel Tamale.

I never ever looked at those other sites, like the one you used (Fischer's) before this one.

What disturbed me, though I cannot know if was really like that with you, is something someone said about the way you were with Sfarzo (fully supporting him and backing him up), hanging onto his every word online at Fischer's site, that is up until you met him, for that reason, the fact that you were on that site supporting the case against justice for Meredith, and befriending Sfarzo makes it hard to see where it is you supported Meredith, having him as a big friend. You are having a laugh.


I have not been unfriendly to you, however there is a question of trust, trust that is needed, I've said a couple of things to you, a fw words to show you that I personally welcome you (to an extent), and do not take pleasure in seeing you be nervous, nervous about ''am I welcome or not'', and so maybe not posting in the way you perhaps could, afraid of what others say or think. So I told you that the other day, I said: do not be afraid to post, you have a right to express yourself.
I said it for the aforesaid reasons and I meant it.

Then you came out with some superficial wordings that I took an instant dislike to, as regards address Kay Kelsey.

I also do not know exactly what she is all about, but there are a few possibilities.

You were not alone in being very dismissive of her, but as nobody knows exactly, I found some things said too harsh, she is neither Sollecito or Knox, and the positive is, she, just as you did, helped by revealing some stuff about those people, namely Knox and Sollecito, you revealed stuff about Sfarzo, that was a great help. However, you would never have done that or even left Fischer's site if Sfarzo had not treated you so badly and Fischer and thugs had not failed to support you. They did fail to support you.

If you wish to block me, I know not what that means here, do as you wish, I do not care, but do not start ordering me about. I suppose you blocked PMs because I sent one (1) months and months ago telling you that what I heard was that you were someone who hung onto Sfarzo's every word, up until you met him.


The trust issue is determined by ''do unto others as you would have them do unto you'', as this is a serious case, I can say to you, I cannot trust you entirely, since you was a supporter of Knox and Sollecito, and only when you got into trouble with Sfarzo did that change, but people were very horrible to you at the Fischer website so you had little choice, if they had supported you and not Sfarzo, where would you have been right now? Here or on the Fischer website?

They let you down at the Fischer site, because Sfarzo was too important, but it isn't that I hadn't started believing in you, it's just I expected better from you in relation to this girl, because her situation is similar to your own.

At that level, you have no right to be nasty about her because many were kind to you, they did not say what you did about Kelsey Kay.

If they had you would not have been posting here because it means you would have been rejected, and it was correct to give you a chance, as it is very possible you didn't understand a lot of things, just like Kelsey Kay does not, it is clear.

That's my opinion Tamale.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:54 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

zorba wrote:
--- snip ---

I also do not know exactly what she is all about, but there are a few possibilities.

--- snap ----


Whatever her motive is, she hinted in one of her tweets that there might be more to come. Stay tuned!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:46 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

New article on TEK Journalism:

Amanda Knox publicist talks media deal in push for acquittal
January 28, 2014

TEK JOURNALISM UK
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:17 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Amanda Knox admits receiving full $3.8 million USD. http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/amanda-kno ... nd-broken/
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:37 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

My new article, Part II on TJMK:

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php ... h_kercher/

"Strong Proof That Raffaele Sollecito Also Stabbed Meredith Kercher Causing The Lesser Wound."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:03 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:
Regarding Kelsey Kay and her surgery, she wrote a message on Twitter that she had in fact been sick. It is not made up. She uploaded a photo to make her point.


Thanks Nell. Feel better Kelsey. Have a good life Kelsey. pp-(
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:21 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

tamale wrote:
Nell wrote:
Regarding Kelsey Kay and her surgery, she wrote a message on Twitter that she had in fact been sick. It is not made up. She uploaded a photo to make her point.


Thanks Nell. Feel better Kelsey. Have a good life Kelsey. pp-(


I view them both as having very problematic characters. Yes, Sollecito has once again confirmed what he is capable of in order to avoid the consequences of his actions. Kelsey is revealed as willing to break the law if it suits her.

Sollecito was attracted to both Knox and Kelsey for a reason, he wanted instant intense relationships with both, and I don't think it is because that have completely opposite personalities. I think it's because they both have a complete disregard for the law.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:22 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I sincerely hope that Ryan Ferguson takes a moment to advise his new friend, Amanda Knox, to pay the damages she owes to Patrick Lumumba. Talk about wrongly accused! You would think that Ferguson could relate to Patrick's situation, but what do I know. I think befriending her is more google-friendly. Gets them both in the news.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Napia5 wrote:
I think befriending her is more google-friendly. Gets them both in the news.


Yes, you're right:

Ryan Ferguson: Amanda Knox 'a little scared' as new verdict looms
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Ryan Ferguson, who spent 10 years in prison for a murder he didn’t commit, has become a confidante of Amanda Knox as she awaits the verdict in her latest trial, which could come Thursday.

“I wanted to reach out to her because I’ve looked at the facts in her case, and I believe in her innocence 100 percent,’’ Ferguson told TODAY.com. “She was very supportive and helpful when I got out, and I want to be able to give back. I believe she’s nervous and a little scared, but overwhelmingly, I would say she has been positive. The facts are in her favor.”
...
“She’s waiting for the decision and dealing with that stress, which is very difficult for her family and her. I just told her what I did to get through the days and offer a different perspective. I just told her she has to do whatever will get her through that situation and help her keep her peace and keep her happiness.”


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:11 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Ruling expected Thursday in Perugia murder of student
28 January, 2014

A court in Florence is expected to rule Thursday on accusations of murder against American Amanda Knox and her Italian ex-boyfriend in the 2007 stabbing death of British student Meredith Kercher.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

I personally feel that Kelsey is a naive young lady who was primarily swept off her feet by the idea of an Italian "celebrity" who took the time and trouble to engage her.

Coeur d'Alene is the second largest metropolitan area in Idaho but its population is only about 45,000. Its primary commercial endeavors have been mining and logging, however due to its drop-dead-gorgeous location and numerous outdoor activities available in said drop-dead-gorgeous location, it is now a mecca for tourism. It has a community college but not other sites for higher education--this is not exactly a place for the development of worldly young men and women. The closest city of size is Spokane, WA, with a population of around 630,000 which is thirty miles away. Boise, the largest metropolitan area in Idaho has in the neighborhood of 617,00 people and is about seven hours away by auto. Both of these journeys involve long highways through the mountains with very little in the way of human habitation.

Kelsey is 22 and has a three-year-old child which means she hasn't had many opportunities for travel and "broadening" experiences. She swallowed the poison of the MSM about this "poor railroaded Italian boy" and being a sympathetic type wanted to help. I doubt that her donation to his GoFundMe site was a planned maneuver for her to get money. We don't have all the Twitter exchanges so I don't know whether the business about marriage to save his skin really came up or whether she just thought he loved her--but at any rate I doubt her background would include much knowledge of the details of passports, extradition laws, etc., etc. She would have most likely have believed him if he told her that her marrying him could save him, a poor innocent soul, from long jail time. (And remember, jail time in Idaho, a very conservative, somewhat "old west" type state, is likely very different than in progressive Italy,) And then he shows her the ridiculous pre-nup which makes it very clear that his interest in her is basically as a means of obtaining a visa. Of course it is her fault (sarcasm), with her previous marriage and brush with the law, that causes Papa to disapprove of the marriage which isn't going to save his lying skin anyway, so he dumps her without actually breaking things off. I don't blame her a bit for hitting RadarOnline to tell the world what a lying scum bag he is. I think she really thought he cared about her and then he proved she was just a means to an end for him.I don't think she is a scheming woman who became involved with Raffaele in the hopes of making a lot of money--remember, his GoFundMe site is telling everyone how he can't afford to pay to defend himself from the evil police, prosecutors, judges, etc. who would throw an innocent man into jail. She was an absolute babe in the woods who became involved with the messed-up scion of a wealthy family whose arrogance and entitlement issues make his use of people seem perfectly logical to him.
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guermantes wrote:
Napia5 wrote:
I think befriending her is more google-friendly. Gets them both in the news.


Yes, you're right:

Ryan Ferguson: Amanda Knox 'a little scared' as new verdict looms
Scott Stump
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Ryan Ferguson, who spent 10 years in prison for a murder he didn’t commit, has become a confidante of Amanda Knox as she awaits the verdict in her latest trial, which could come Thursday.

“I wanted to reach out to her because I’ve looked at the facts in her case, and I believe in her innocence 100 percent,’’ Ferguson told TODAY.com. “She was very supportive and helpful when I got out, and I want to be able to give back. I believe she’s nervous and a little scared, but overwhelmingly, I would say she has been positive. The facts are in her favor.”
...
“She’s waiting for the decision and dealing with that stress, which is very difficult for her family and her. I just told her what I did to get through the days and offer a different perspective. I just told her she has to do whatever will get her through that situation and help her keep her peace and keep her happiness.”


TODAY


I wonder just where he got these "facts".
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:57 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Napia5 wrote:
I wonder just where he got these "facts".


From her book, obviously. ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:01 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Today I've heard from Graham W. Phillips that Amanda Knox will not agree to an interview with him. As already revealed by Graham on Twitter, David Marriott opposed to all of his questions. They tried to work something out, but according to Graham, the negotiations have stalled now.
He will be writing an article on his blog about his experience with PR man David Marriott. This could be interesting as Graham Phillips hinted he might reveal some of the exchange between the two of them.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:10 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Countdown to the Meredith case the judgment Thursday, Sollecito in the courtroom
http://www.lastampa.it/2014/01/28/itali ... agina.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:39 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

H/t Twitter

Paul Callan will be discussing the possible outcomes in the Meredith Kercher murder trial.

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CNN Legal Analyst @PaulCallan discusses possible verdicts in retrial of #amandaknox #MerdedithKercher CNN @cnni Wed 2:40pm EST
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:47 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Hi all,

I noticed there was some discussion on RS opening a bank account in the US and his non-resident status. I may be able to share my experience here. As a non US resident I have a bank account in the USA, I also have friends that have accounts (also non-residents). I am not aware of any restrictions on opening an account in the US, so long as you can provide an address - you do not have to prove residency and in fact the bank does not require this.

For credit cards however a Social security number or some form of proof of residency is required.

Therefore it is completely plausible that RS has an account with Chase in his own name.
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Aranavachi wrote:
Hi all,

I noticed there was some discussion on RS opening a bank account in the US and his non-resident status. I may be able to share my experience here. As a non US resident I have a bank account in the USA, I also have friends that have accounts (also non-residents). I am not aware of any restrictions on opening an account in the US, so long as you can provide an address - you do not have to prove residency and in fact the bank does not require this.

For credit cards however a Social security number or some form of proof of residency is required.

Therefore it is completely plausible that RS has an account with Chase in his own name.


Hi Aranavachi,

Thank you for sharing this. I have lived in a few countries and I always needed to prove that I was a permanent resident before I could open a bank account.

Every country has its own set of rules.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:36 am   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Can a modern, enlightened, ethical and sane AMERICAN prosecutor - with a decent body mass index - act like one of those “fat”, “medieval”, “corrupt” and “insane” Eye-tal-YUN “witch-burners” and petition a higher court for a review of a decision by an appellate court that reverses a defendant’s conviction at trial?


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SEE, FOR EXAMPLE:

STATE v. TYSON, 273 Ga. 690, 544 S.E.2d 444 (2001)

“…In 1973, the Georgia General Assembly enacted OCGA § 5-7-1, which gives the state a limited right to appeal certain orders, decisions, and judgments in criminal cases to the court of appeals or supreme court, and OCGA § 5-7-3, which extends the same right to the state in proceedings by certiorari.”


“…This legislation was part of a national trend to broaden the prosecution's right to appeal in criminal cases consistent with national standards* being developed by the American Bar Association."



“….we hold that…the state [has] the right to file a petition for certiorari for the review of any decision by the court of appeals in the defendant's favor in a criminal case.”



Accordingly, pursuant to a writ of certiorari granted to the prosecution, the Supreme Court of Georgia went on to review a decision by the Court of Appeals of Georgia (that reversed Tyson’s conviction at trial on the ground that the police did not have probable cause for a warrantless arrest) and saw fit to reverse it (by finding that the police DID have probable cause by – GASP – delving into the facts found at trial).

So there you have it, FOAKs:

1) An AMERICAN trial court convicts;
2) Defendant appeals to Court of Appeal;
3) Court of Appeal reverses conviction;
4) Prosecution petitions the Supreme Court for review; &
5) Supreme Court reverses the Court of Appeal and the conviction at trial stands.

Now, why does that sequence – that played out on AMERICAN SOIL - sound so … “familiar”? (HINT: the Hellmann decision is akin to step 3.)


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… (b) Where more than one level of appellate review exists, whenever an intermediate court has held in favor of a defendant-appellant, the prosecution should be permitted to seek further review in the highest court.

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P.S. It’s one thing for an ignorant, bloated, red-faced, bleary-eyed, half-witted bastard - who has never read the text of a Supreme Court decision in his life - to get all liquored up and lay down 10,000 moronic posts maligning the Italian process as backward, corrupt, irrational, illogical, unfair and downright Un-American, but I think it’s a crying shame when key stakeholders in the US mainstream media see fit to operate at the same level and, in so doing, betray the public trust.

The relevant similarities between the two systems far outweigh the relevant differences.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:27 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

La Nazione reports that Raffaele Sollecito will be in the courtroom for the verdict "out of respect for the court".

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Meredith process, Sollecito will be in the courtroom for the ruling

This was announced by his father, Franccesco: "We'll be out of respect for the Court of Assizes of Appeal of Florence. Because there will once again have confidence in justice"


Florence, January 28, 2014 - Raffaele Sollecito will be in the courtroom tomorrow, in Florence, to appeal a judgment for the murder of Meredith Kercher in which they are accused him and Amanda Knox.

This was announced (in an interview with ANSA) by his the father, Francesco. "I asked him to accompany me, and then we will be in the courtroom."

It has not yet been decided by Raffaele and his lawyers if the student will Puglia spontaneous declarations before the court retires in closed session.

"We are still in the courtroom, said Francesco Sollecito, of respect for the Court of Assizes of Appeal of Florence. Because once again we will have confidence in justice." Sollecito and Amanda Knox have always proclaimed unrelated murder accomplished in Perugia the evening of 1 November 2007.

Convicted at first instance and acquitted on appeal, the Supreme Court overturned that judgment providing for procedural issues, a new trial in Florence. Freed after acquittal, Knox returned home to Seattle, United States. The young American has announced that sshe will wait for the judgment with her mother in their home.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:08 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

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La Nazione reports that Raffaele Sollecito will be in the courtroom for the verdict "out of respect for the court".


Thanks Nell. He probably wants to address the court one last time to tell them what a good, gentle guy he is.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:15 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Knox Opts for Absence as Italian Court Nears Ruling in Murder Trial
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January 29, 2014

(with a new photo of Knox)

“Nothing will ever take away the experience of being wrongfully imprisoned,” said Ms. Knox, explaining why she chose not to attend the trial, as is her right. “It remains that I would be putting myself in the hands of people who very clearly want me in prison for something that I didn’t do. And I can’t do that. I just can’t,” she said. “No. No way, no how.”


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beans wrote:
I personally feel that Kelsey is a naive young lady who was primarily swept off her feet by the idea of an Italian "celebrity" who took the time and trouble to engage her.
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I agree 110%!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:24 pm   Post subject: Re: XXVIII. MAIN DISCUSSION, SEPT 30 -   

Nell wrote:

Hi Aranavachi,

Thank you for sharing this. I have lived in a few countries and I always needed to prove that I was a permanent resident before I could open a bank account.

Every country has its own set of rules.


When I was in Italy on a Schengen visa, and I went to a bank to open an account, I was told that I need to be a resident. But what they really needed is a number from the Finance ministry which I got the next day and I had an account with a debit card ...
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